Marcus Thuram was available for free and has actually scored league goals this season.
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Marcus Thuram was available for free and has actually scored league goals this season.
I can't wait to come back and quote you when he's banging in goals for us
If he does and you do i'll happilly appologise
You'd be a fool to right him off given our current plight and lack of service he is getting.
He's been cheated having literally no back up to take the heat off, and has shown enough in the CL to have a bit patience with him.
He's been cheated having literally no back up to take the heat off, and has shown enough in the CL to have a bit patience with him.
His overall play is far from good enough yet
He offered us nothing today . Even the few times he did get the ball he gave it back to them.
I’m not wrong about them though.
I’m right.
DCL has played the same number of minutes as Hojlund for a club who are far below Utd in the league and has contributed far more than your boy.
All the players I’ve named have achieved more - this season - than Hojlund, and all of them bar Watkins play for PL sides below Utd.
As I said, this side needed a ready to roll fecking GOALSCORER, not a fecking project that needs pampering and excuses week after week.
Sorry if that seems harsh, but I care about Man Utd mate, not Rasmus Hojlund.
We were ready to kick on and this lad was a daft signing who isn’t doing enough.
Another waste of money.
As you know from day one i think that Hojlund was completely wrong choice to buy. But buying only decent striker (DCL, Solanke, Wissa..) would be even worse and also waste of money. You would just add (average) depth to this squad.
We desperately needed proven, world class striker. We had money and we have reputation to lure nearly any striker. So if price for that striker was 130-150 mil, we should have go for it.
Put in this team Kane, Osimhen or Watkins and our season would be way way better.
He hasn't banged in goals for anyone, hardly a surprise he isn't banging in goals for us.I can't wait to come back and quote you when he's banging in goals for us
By the time he does, if he does, you'd of forgotten you even made this comment.
He needs work. He's not blisteringly fast, so he needs to bulk up and get quite strong to hold the ball up.
Hard to judge a striker who gets absolutely no service, I saw a stat line that showed he had the fewest chances of any striker in the league on the same minutes played.
You have no guarantees they would be as good for us as they are for their current clubs, though. You don't know they would score as much here. Newcastle were below us (before Saturday), Brighton are below us, West Ham are below us, Brentford and Everton are below us, but they still have a game plan, and create more chances than us. It's much easier for a striker to come into an organized team, instead of an awful team whose attack is complete chaos.
All of the players you mentioned are like 6 years older than Højlund as well, so of course, with their experience in PL, it is to be expected that they have scored more goals, particularly when they also play for a team that actually create chances for them.
If you're happy with Wissa or DCL, then so be it. I'm not, and I know Højlund will eventually be better than both of them, even if he isn't now. Wissa or DCL in our team, and we'd likely be the same team in the same position.
I agree poor kid is out of his depth, needs a elite number 9 like Toney or Osimhen to learn from and he really should be 2nd or 3rd option, right now I’d give Joe Hughill a chance over Rashford, Martial and Højlund !
Would be nice if the team passed to him occasionally. He knows where the net is.
It does feel like we (the club) are expecting him to play like a Rooney/Kane when instead he's more like a Chicarito.
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He does? In that chance he didn't show that. If he went for a corner and Alisson saved it then ok. But his shot wasn't anywhere near from what you expect from good striker. Bad shot technique and without aiming or looking. It was "close eyes and shoot" style.
From all striker traits, at least finishing should be there already, no matter how old he is. Martial and Greenwood at that age were already pretty good finishers.
Mate, have you seen some of Haaland's misses?
The difference is that Haaland gets 5-6 chances each game, Højlund gets maybe one.
You'd call Haaland shit in this team as well. I guarantee it.
His CL record speaks for itself.
That chance he had was a snap shot, he didn’t have time to take a touch, compose himself and pick his spot. He snatched at it as best he could. He had a billion defenders on him.
I know he hasn't. He's 20, you know? Remember when Lewandowski scored 8 goals in his Bundesliga season at 21, which was actually less than Højlund did in Serie A? Or when Drogba scored 3 for Guingamp at the age of 23? or van Nistelrooy scored twice for PSV at the age of 24? Henry's 3 goals for Juventus in his Serie A debut season? Maybe Kane's two goals for Leicester in Championship?
I bet you would say no to all of these players at the time, because they didn't score many goals.
You keep saying he is 20 but how is that an excuse, Gabriel Jesus was 19 when he left Brazil to join City and scored 7 in his first 10 league games.
Problem is quantity now. Don't look at one game at the time. In every game he gets one or two chances or semi chances. So far he didn't show (except that goal vs Galata) that he is natural finisher.Mate, have you seen some of Haaland's misses?
The difference is that Haaland gets 5-6 chances each game, Højlund gets maybe one.
You'd call Haaland shit in this team as well. I guarantee it.
We both watched Martial and Greenwood from their first day, right? Look at their early goals. One touch and shot in corner of the net. Now, look Hojlund's chances so far; i agree that chances were rare and not clear but he didn't show in any of them that natural talent of future goal maschine.
That's not happening here at all though.
I see one poster dismissing any and all criticism of him (fair or unfair). Other than that, there's been a healthy range of discussion and debate in here about his performances, potential, and expectations.
Jesus is a different player. Young forwards who break through before the age of 22 are pretty much ALWAYS roaming type forwards, smaller guys who either play as poachers or just roaming types. It is literally never your bigger CF's who are physical players. And it is very easy to understand why. If you are a young player who avoids contact, then your game doesn't change that much from the youth levels. You are through based on just body feints and technique, movement off the ball. If you are a physical player, you can dominate smaller levels but then when you get to the top leagues, it takes time to deal with the increased physicality. And that very much applies to Hojlund.
Lukaku and Haaland broke through by being poachers and had no hold up play to speak of when they started. Lukaku never got the hang of it. Hojlund will adapt this year and we can read more into his level next season. Bit useless to do it this season. And it's really not until 25/26 when we should actually expect him to really step up to be a top player.
There are many 20yo who have scored goals in the Premier League. We have our own players in Rashford and Martial who did it. There's this guy at Brighton doing it and there would be multiple others who would have done it.
It's fair if people are asking questions.
It's fair if people are asking questions.
Because football doesn't work like that, mate. It's not a hard concept to grasp. You have players like Haaland or Ronaldo that just score a lot of goals early, and then you have strikers that don't until they've gotten older and more experienced. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. You're not a shit striker because you don't score goals at the age of 20.
Just because one player scores many goals in his debut season doesn't mean that should apply to every player. You know, football would be fecking weird if it had a trajectory like that. Look at Jamie Vardy. Like, where the feck did he come from?
Very different type of players.
There are many 20 year olds who haven't scored 5 CL goals. It's just dumb game splits. He's a young physical striker. His type of CF tend to not do anything until age 22 or so (literally look at physical CF's over the past 30 years, basically none of them did anything in a big league).
Should have done a lot better with his big chance from McTominay's nice pass. Gave himself no chance of scoring by hitting the ball straight at the keeper at a height where it was certain to hit the keeper's body, a low shot or high shot might have gone through legs/hands with a bit of good fortune; really should be shooting low towards the far post.
General hold-up play is embarrassing; we seem to lose possession almost every time.
I like him and hope he will eventually become a good signing but it's a painful watch at the moment. Doesn't appear to have much confidence.
General hold-up play is embarrassing; we seem to lose possession almost every time.
I like him and hope he will eventually become a good signing but it's a painful watch at the moment. Doesn't appear to have much confidence.
Trying to make a case for him being a decent player is hard. He’s too young and was too expensive but half way into the season he basically looks like a younger and way more expensive Weghorst. Think we’d all be laughing at Liverpool if they’d bought someone like this.
Sorry but he had a great opportunity today to score, isn't the point of a good striker that they are clinical and not have to rely on 5 chances per game to score one, you can blame his age but martial had a far better first season at a younger age
They did, nunez
I forgive the missed chance. But win a header. Facundo won one. Take a ball down on your chest and find a teammate. Martial wins more headers and martial is a lazy, broken player.
Good God. Sick of huge players not being able to win headers or at least make it hard for a defender. VVD is not a God. He's slow now. Rasmus has to do better.
That was terrible. There's no excuses. 70 million I expect at least a physical battle with some headers won and a few layoffs. He had NONE.
If he's that far away then loan him.
He doesn't even fit our non existent style.
Good God. Sick of huge players not being able to win headers or at least make it hard for a defender. VVD is not a God. He's slow now. Rasmus has to do better.
That was terrible. There's no excuses. 70 million I expect at least a physical battle with some headers won and a few layoffs. He had NONE.
If he's that far away then loan him.
He doesn't even fit our non existent style.
yeah, and I’d say Nunez is 5x the player of Hojlund from what we’ve seen of him so far.
He's joint second top scorer with 5 goals, alongside Bruno, only McTominay has scored more with 6 this season. So again, what do you want? It sounds to me like you want this inexperienced kid to carry the entire team on his back with a plethora of goals and are crying that he isn't doing so. What did you expect? Apparently this kid is absolute trash according to a lot of people in here yet he's still scored more than every player on the team bar two and yet he gets slandered the most out of every player on the team, I just cannot wrap my head around it.
Nobody is scoring at the moment.
We play like absolute trash and create little to no chances.
Expectations on this kid are astronomically stupid in this thread
The most hand picked of hand picked examples without substance
Lewandowski scored 8 in the league alone, Hojund has yet to score one.
Drogba scored 3 in 11 games he played. Better that Hojlund then.
van Nistelrooy scored twice in 10 games due to injury, previous two season was 34 games 31 goals and 23 games 29 goals. Better than Hojlund then.
Henry only scored 2 but only played 16 games all season. Better than Hojlund then.
Kane scored 2 but only played 13 games. So better than Hojlund then.
I'm lost at what your point is? Or perhaps you think you are the only one who can fact check? Or perhaps you are just deluded....
Maybe, at a stretch, if you’ve only watched our league campaign. But those CL matches (and goals) did actually happen. Yes, he’s having a difficult time so far at United but why are so many of you so keen to ignore the goals he actually did score this season?
Nunez, for all his uselessness, is levels above Hojlund at present.
He’s been involved in 11 PL goals this season in 943 minutes vs Hojlund’s involvement in 0 goals in 882 minutes.
In his first season in the PL, Nunez was involved in 14 goals in 1684 minutes.
He’s a vastly superior player at present, which says a lot.
The most hand picked of hand picked examples without substance
Lewandowski scored 8 in the league alone, Hojund has yet to score one.
Drogba scored 3 in 11 games he played. Better that Hojlund then.
van Nistelrooy scored twice in 10 games due to injury, previous two season was 34 games 31 goals and 23 games 29 goals. Better than Hojlund then.
Henry only scored 2 but only played 16 games all season. Better than Hojlund then.
Kane scored 2 but only played 13 games. So better than Hojlund then.
I'm lost at what your point is? Or perhaps you think you are the only one who can fact check? Or perhaps you are just deluded....
Lewandowski scored 8 in Bundesliga in his debut season, Højlund scored 9 in Serie A in his debut season. You see what I'm getting at?
Højlund plays in the Premier League. It's not as easy to score here as it is in Bundesliga or Ligue 1.
Of course the league goals are higher than Højlund. He literally has zero goals. But you have to be incredibly daft to not understand the point I was trying to make. The point is that they didn't score a lot of goals, but it doesn't make them bad strikers.
Højlund has 5 goals in 6 CL games, by the way, but I guess Lewandowski's goals against Köln and Nürnberg are much more valuable.
Indeed, like how many good chances are each of these players getting. Guarantee they'll be more the Hojlund.
There's no real point in criticising his league goal output because at most you could argue he should have about 3, that's still very low. We just haven't been creating chances.
I don't see how people can judge him either way on his goal scoring abilities until we are able to do that.
Been giving him the benefit of the doubt all season but it's getting harder and harder to defend him at this point.
This is just criminal. GK is unbalanced and has all his weight on his right leg. Near side is totally empty. Just a simple pass towards the near corner would've gone in.
Honestly I'd bench him and play McT as a false 9. Kills two birds with one stone as it takes him away from midfield and he's also a bigger goal threat than Højlund at this stage.
This is just criminal. GK is unbalanced and has all his weight on his right leg. Near side is totally empty. Just a simple pass towards the near corner would've gone in.
Honestly I'd bench him and play McT as a false 9. Kills two birds with one stone as it takes him away from midfield and he's also a bigger goal threat than Højlund at this stage.
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