Rashford | Villa | Loan with option to buy

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

He was quick enough to get on the end of chances but he never had the instinct of a top striker and his finishing is average.

His game has always relied on explosive pace wherever he has played. Now he has lost that there really is little else to his game.

It's more when he broke through to the first team.

He was scoring headers, poachers finishers, back post goals.

As he progressed he started being this speed long shot type of player.

 

[groovyalbert]

It's more when he broke through to the first team.

He was scoring headers, poachers finishers, back post goals.

As he progressed he started being this speed long shot type of player.

He returned to that somewhat during ETH's first season post-WC. Before then you could maybe argue that his move away from typical striker play was due to both Mourinho and Ole's tactics. It makes no sense, however, how he deteriorated under ETH, especially as the tactics and demands remained largely unchanged. Either his body gave up after a series of intense seasons and reoccurring injuries, or it's down to attitude. I suspect the latter.

 

[golden_blunder]

Just based on the clips, it looks a pretty impressive cameo debut for someone who hasn’t played for 2 months. It is going to be fascinating to see how he does for the rest of the season.

It’s clear you didn’t watch it as he did nothing different to his usual United below par performances

 

[Denis' cuff]

Media only? The fans too.. I still see fans talking about Sancho's great spell at Dortmund last season because he had 1 good game against PSG.

Sky sports done a whole spread on him then, only for him to be so good that Dortmund couldn't afford 25m.

Rashford will be the same, they will talk about the system, everything if he has 2/3 good games.

Thats all he needs for the media and fans to gas light him.

Yep. “Fans” read it and believe what they want. (Not fans)

 

[Denis' cuff]

His best periods came on the wing, for me. I don't feel like he ever fully understood how to play the striker role effectively

Or never wanted the responsibility of being a striker. Easier to play wide without the expectation yet still ignore striker waiting in the box but shoot yourself. Ultimately, proved to have the same shithouse character as Sancho. If I have any sympathy for these lads, it’s the constant online scrutiny they cop. Answer: stay the feck off it. Takes some discipline but you’re paid mighty well to be disciplined. Or go incognito.

 

[Cassidy]

Hopefully he does well because we need him gone in the summer for a good fee

 

[Doracle]

It’s clear you didn’t watch it as he did nothing different to his usual United below par performances

Well yes, I didn’t watch it - that’s why I said just based on the clips that had been posted. The Villa fans seem fairly happy with his debut though, so hopefully he’s doing enough to justify the £40m.

 

[Sir David Gray]

That’s not an option, right? Because in that scenario Villa just exercise the 40m option. Then they hold onto a striker who is doing well for them, with a possibility of selling him on for serious money the next transfer window if his good form continues. There’s basically no chance we sell him to anyone other than Villa unless it’s for <£40m.

Rashford could say no to the Villa permanent transfer, couldn't he?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Rashford could say no to the Villa permanent transfer, couldn't he?

I doubt it. If a contracts been signed with an option to buy then the player will have surely had to agree to that clause. Otherwise it’s redundant.

 

[Red00012]

I doubt it. If a contracts been signed with an option to buy then the player will have surely had to agree to that clause. Otherwise it’s redundant.

I wouldn’t doubt Rashford to tell the Villa manager at the end of the season that he’s no interest in staying because Barca are interested.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

I doubt it. If a contracts been signed with an option to buy then the player will have surely had to agree to that clause. Otherwise it’s redundant.

He just need to his usual body language on the pitch and can spook anyone against signing him. Nobody can force Marcus to stay, not at that wages.

 

[B20]

He's the one briefing about the players wanting a change of formation isn't he? Probably banking on outlasting Amorim.

 

[afrocentricity]

He's the one briefing about the players wanting a change of formation isn't he? Probably banking on outlasting Amorim.

Why?

 

[Pickle85]

Why?

Because he doesn't want to stick around at villa - in his mind it's a club that doesn't befit a player of his stature - and he's had a lovely, easy, lucrative life at United. I'm not saying he's the one briefing but you're acting like he has zero reason to want Amorim gone.

 

[TheGame]

He's the one briefing about the players wanting a change of formation isn't he? Probably banking on outlasting Amorim.

Based on what evidence? It's really laughable how people put these statements out there without any evidence to back them up.

 

[mctrials23]

If a bigger club that is willing to pay his salary comes along Rashford will leave Villa in an instant. I fear that won't happen though. Will be interesting to see what happens at the end of the season though. Will we be stuck with him for another few years because no one will match his salary.

 

[afrocentricity]

Because he doesn't want to stick around at villa - in his mind it's a club that doesn't befit a player of his stature - and he's had a lovely, easy, lucrative life at United. I'm not saying he's the one briefing but you're acting like he has zero reason to want Amorim gone.

I think its paper bollocks it writes itself in this moment, i think your post is fan fiction

 

[ryansgirl]

I think this is the end of Marcus` United career no matter how it`s spun. Could very well be the best thing that`s happened to him since David Moyes came and went. I`ve never thought Marcus didn`t care about the team and club when the Sir Alex Glory Days were finished and players had to be flexible and adapt to the new paradigm including the glory rapidly diminishing.

It`s just that Marcus isn`t a leader in the mould of the United players who stepped up in the past - people like Keano, Beckham who worked harder on the pitch when games got dicey, Rio who brought something special that way etc. It was difficult to adjust to the managerial/coaching/playing staff changes and instability for too many United players and the ones we`ve seen come in have largely not fitted what the Manchester United team is supposed to stand for.

I think we had false expectations that Marcus would be one of those who step up when the going got very tough. He would have been different had he played with United teams like the last successful one built by Sir Alex but couldn`t be the one to show the way in the post Sir Alex teams. I wish him well and thank him for what he did.

 

[Pickle85]

I think its paper bollocks it writes itself in this moment, i think your post is fan fiction

I think you have a habit of wading in to defend players that don't deserve it (Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford) so I'll take your thoughts with a grain of salt.

 

[afrocentricity]

I think you have a habit of wading in to defend players that don't deserve it (Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford) so I'll take your thoughts with a grain of salt.

This is deflection, in fact I'm reporting your post for spreading lies.... show me where I defended those players, Greenwood especially?

 

[Pickle85]

This is deflection, in fact I'm reporting your post for spreading lies.... show me where I defended those players, Greenwood especially?

I'm not spreading lies, though. On Greenwood specifically, your stance has always been to introduce doubt which has the effect of minimizing the blame aimed at him. If that's not defending him, I don't know what is. Most of those threads are closed so can't be quoted but a few copy pastes:

It's been so long since it happened (or didn't happen) then yes, him changing his stance from "I didn't do it" to "I do it" would of course invite more scrutiny.

My view, for what little it is worth, is that if he didn't beat her up, she would've said so within 5 minutes of the pics going online and he would have been playing on whatever your next game was.

afrocentricity: Not if they were beefing at the time.... What is it with these "if he's really innocent s/he would do.... xyz" posts? Is it the next step down from believing he was guilty to having doubts but trying to make sense of it all?

You could claim that or you could claim what we factually know, that he agressively threatened to rape her. That's not getting into the images.

That is enough for me unless something came out which explained why it is acceptable. Those things are limited (roleplay and maybe a couple of other things) and it would be totally shocking that neither Utd or Greenwood leaked them considering the value in it for them both.

Thinking that what we know he did is excusable based on a vague statement from Arnold where he specifically said they had to rely on 3rd party cooperation and had very limited evidence is strange. Stinks of being desperate for Greenwood to be innocent.

afrocentricity: It's not acceptable/excusable, numpties that think that are pond scum. Nevertheless, it isn't proof (for either investigation) of any of the charges. If you can't accept this then I don't know what else to say.... and let's be clear, I have no problem with people feeling a way towards Greenwood. But things aren't black and white and it's quite obvious that there's shitloads we don't know.

I keep seeing people post that if there was anything it would have been leaked.... why? The alleged victims request for anonymity (prob just wants to move) get's brought up and brushed aside often... we don't know what it could be so we don't know the reasons or potential issues... so why even state it as certainty?

If he is as bad as some of you believe, I hope that someone in that group of people can help to bring a compelling case against him so that we can move past all the feeling. With the things that we have seen and heard and some compelling testimony from... someone?

Let's see what happens eh? Personally, I hope that you are wrong though, and that United are being truthful, and that the people in question get to move on with their lives with nothing like this happening in the future.

You have a terrible habbit of muddying the waters.

Mason Greenwood violently threatened to rape a woman. It's disgusting and inexcusible but there would be maybe 1 or 2 possible things that could provide context which changes that (mainly if it was consensual roleplay).

This has not even been insinuated and the investigation that you're clinging onto openly relied on 3rd party testimony, very little evidence and was overseen by a man with no experience with such matters with a vested interest.

As such he is scum as anyone who threatens to rape someone is. If it does magically come out that it was all consensual roleplay it would change my view on that but I am working with what I know factually.

afrocentricity: You believe that there is no possibility of a reason (in or outside your frame of reference).

You also discount the CPS investigation.

Just to be clear, am I correct? On another note, you say I am "muddying the waters" ........ I would say the waters are already muddy, I'm just pointing it ou

 

[Pickle85]

This is deflection, in fact I'm reporting your post for spreading lies.... show me where I defended those players, Greenwood especially?

Re Sancho, again, closed threads but a few for you:

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It's pretty simple to me, ETH mishandled the situation. We can argue about how well Sancho responded, but better managers manage the feck out of this and it ends without even being a news story. All handled behind closed doors, and we move on.... Called this back then tbf...

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How are people arguing that Garnacho has done more than Sancho?

 

[afrocentricity]

I'm not spreading lies, though. On Greenwood specifically, your stance has always been to introduce doubt which has the effect of minimizing the blame aimed at him. If that's not defending him, I don't know what is. Most of those threads are closed so can't be quoted but a few copy pastes:


afrocentricity: Not if they were beefing at the time.... What is it with these "if he's really innocent s/he would do.... xyz" posts? Is it the next step down from believing he was guilty to having doubts but trying to make sense of it all?


afrocentricity: It's not acceptable/excusable, numpties that think that are pond scum. Nevertheless, it isn't proof (for either investigation) of any of the charges. If you can't accept this then I don't know what else to say.... and let's be clear, I have no problem with people feeling a way towards Greenwood. But things aren't black and white and it's quite obvious that there's shitloads we don't know.

I keep seeing people post that if there was anything it would have been leaked.... why? The alleged victims request for anonymity (prob just wants to move) get's brought up and brushed aside often... we don't know what it could be so we don't know the reasons or potential issues... so why even state it as certainty?

If he is as bad as some of you believe, I hope that someone in that group of people can help to bring a compelling case against him so that we can move past all the feeling. With the things that we have seen and heard and some compelling testimony from... someone?

Let's see what happens eh? Personally, I hope that you are wrong though, and that United are being truthful, and that the people in question get to move on with their lives with nothing like this happening in the future.


afrocentricity: You believe that there is no possibility of a reason (in or outside your frame of reference).

You also discount the CPS investigation.

Just to be clear, am I correct? On another note, you say I am "muddying the waters" ........ I would say the waters are already muddy, I'm just pointing it ou

you were searching for 30 minutes and this is what you came up with?
did you ignore the posts of me criticising those players because it doesn't fit the narrative you are attempting to make?
this is me overly defending those players?
this is why my opinion is invalid?


....ok

 

[B20]

Based on what evidence? It's really laughable how people put these statements out there without any evidence to back them up.

Well, first this account briefs how Rashford wants to remain lovvie dovvie with the club.



Then seven hours later, same account has the score on how the players have GROWING CONCERNS about Amorim's formation and are discussing how a change of plan might be the best way forward.



I'm not saying thats what definitely happened, but it's hardly a stretch to conclude.

 

[TheGame]

Well, first this account briefs how Rashford wants to remain lovvie dovvie with the club.



Then seven hours later, same account has the score on how the players have GROWING CONCERNS about Amorim's formation and are discussing how a change of plan might be the best way forward.



I'm not saying thats what definitely happened, but it's hardly a stretch to conclude.

You are using some random account as a source. I would hardly call that evidence. Looks like another person wanting clicks with the big JUST IN like he’s some club journalist.

 

[B20]

I think its paper bollocks it writes itself in this moment, i think your post is fan fiction

To be fair, rashford is known for feeding his own fanfics to the media as well.

 

[Pickle85]

you were searching for 30 minutes and this is what you came up with?
did you ignore the posts of me criticising those players because it doesn't fit the narrative you are attempting to make?
this is me overly defending those players?
this is why my opinion is invalid?


....ok

Surprisingly I didn't hop on the moment you finished posting, so no, I didn't spend half an hour searching for this. You threw a tantrum, reported me, asked me for some examples and I provided them.

Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine, I just read what you post about Rashford in context.

 

[afrocentricity]

Surprisingly I didn't hop on the moment you finished posting, so no, I didn't spend half an hour searching for this.

I actually checked your profile at the time, because I know what posters are like, so I know how long you took. I had written my response before you posted..... and now this is boring.

My posts are here for anyone to see and make their own mind up. Rashford's own actions fecked his united career, same with Sancho, and the post you quoted shows what I think of Greenwood. Don't argue in poor faith, I reported you to get ahead of what I now see for what it is, deflection. You could have continued to argue your point similar to @B20 - I'll leave you to it now.

Sure, make an unprovable assertion and expect people to take it as fact

I'm sure the mods could prove it if they wanted to.... but it's not that important.

 

[ryansgirl]

Well, first this account briefs how Rashford wants to remain lovvie dovvie with the club.



Then seven hours later, same account has the score on how the players have GROWING CONCERNS about Amorim's formation and are discussing how a change of plan might be the best way forward.



I'm not saying thats what definitely happened, but it's hardly a stretch to conclude.

Yeah right, the players `have growing concerns` about the new coach`s formation and tactics etc. The more things change, the more they stay the same. We`ve been hearing that talk ever since David Moyes was appointed Sir Alex`s successor.

And Manchester United has been so successful, hasn`t it in getting players who spend time whingeing about the manager`s tactics and don`t seem to have any sense that they are a big part of the problem. I miss the days when United players weren`t bigger than Manchester United.

 

[mctrials23]

I would say thats probably not untrue. They have glaring holes in the team currently for the way he wants to play so it would be strange for them to be 100% positive about their situation especially when a chunk of them know they are unlikely to survive the summer.

 

[Pickle85]

I actually checked your profile at the time, because I know what posters are like, so I know how long you took. I had written my response before you posted..... and now this is boring.

My posts are here for anyone to see and make their own mind up. Rashford's own actions fecked his united career, same with Sancho, and the post you quoted shows what I think of Greenwood. Don't argue in poor faith, I reported you to get ahead of what I now see for what it is, deflection. You could have continued to argue your point similar to @B20 - I'll leave you to it now.

Sure, make an unprovable assertion and expect people to take it as fact. Nice one.

I wasn't deflecting or arguing in poor faith, I was explaining why posts you make on Rashford should be read against the broader context of weird choices you make for players to defend. I'll leave you to it now.

Edit: as you note, I'm sure the mods could show that I didn't spend half an hour trawling your posts to quote you. I'm fairly sure they have much better things to do but I'm absolutely happy to be proved right if any of them have the time and inclination.

 

[roseguy64]

 

[ryansgirl]

At one time there was talk that Marcus would join Paris St Germain - is there any realistic prospect of this happening? I think he`d be happier in a city like Paris and a country like France, less pressure from the public, more relaxed lifestyle, etc. I`ll always be a huge fan of Marcus and feel sad that things haven`t worked out for him the way they should have with a stable club and team.

I know the Dublin drinking session was a bit of an up yours to the club but his mistakes have been minimal compared to what other footballers both at United and elsewhere have done.

 

[Real Name]

Ah the good, old Rashford is training hard stuff. Where did i see that before.

 

[ryansgirl]

I would say thats probably not untrue. They have glaring holes in the team currently for the way he wants to play so it would be strange for them to be 100% positive about their situation especially when a chunk of them know they are unlikely to survive the summer.

True, overpaid football players, most of whom haven`t been delivering on the ptich are still human beings and have their pressures and worries to deal with. While there`s been a lot of disappointing aspects of how many of the players have responded on the pitch, it would be incredibly tough to be at United under these circumstances where instability at administrative and management level has made its downward progress.

 

[roseguy64]

Ah the good, old Rashford is training hard stuff. Where did i see that before.

So that's what you got about my post on the media's agenda against him. Fair.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Very bright performance again today. Absolut stunner of a freekick for the Watkins rebound.

Meanwhile we have Amad injured now and will be short of options.

 

[MF1138]

I'm sure we'll be able to find someone to wander around disinterested, and turn their head and watch while opposition players run past.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

I'm sure we'll be able to find someone to wander around disinterested, and turn their head and watch while opposition players run past.

Yes surely but I'm not sure we will find someone with that ability to strike a football as he did today soon.

I know I'm in the minority and will be ridiculed for saying so. But the decision to freeze him out and loan him (after an upturn of form at the beginning of Amorims Tenure notabene) is starting to look more what it is: idiotic.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Yes surely but I'm not sure we will find someone with that ability to strike a football as he did today soon.

I know I'm in the minority and will be ridiculed for saying so. But the decision to freeze him out and loan him (after an upturn of form at the beginning of Amorims Tenure notabene) is starting to look more what it is: idiotic.

He hasn't been striking the ball or playing like he did today for us for at least 18 months!

I honestly do not care how good he does at Villa, he could become prime Ronaldo, but his head went with us and it's time to move him on.