Rashford - New contract or sell?

[stevoc]

Yes. Too bad it will never happen though.

Antony.

Correct. Thats why he deserves to play in PL. Just not a starter in possession or pressing teams.

Just Antony or are there others as well?

 

[led_scholes]

Did you actually watch him yesterday? I’ve never seen Rashford score a headed goal like that and he had an other similar effort as well. Almost Ronaldo like both efforts and the way he was attacking the 6 yard box was a massive improvement. He’s come on leaps & bounds under ten Hag, on this form a new contract is a no brainer as he’s one of the best attackers in the World.

3 good performances, 5 average and 5 bad and suddenly "new contract is no brainer" and one "of the best attackers in the world".

You just highlight the root of our issues in our club.

 

[mctrials23]

He’s come on leaps & bounds under ten Hag, on this form a new contract is a no brainer as he’s one of the best attackers in the World.

Hes not even close to one of the best attackers in the world and never has been. He has been in better form that this before now. Hes still missing really good chances. His motivation and application is definitely back to his peak though so hopefully things will continue to improve.

A new contract with a lower base and more performance related bonuses is how I would negotiate that contract.

 

[mctrials23]

You just highlight the root of our issues in our club.

Look at how people treat Ronaldo and you will see how far too many of our fans think. Its tribalism and mindless support at its very best. The sort of people that can watch Ronaldo do nothing for 85 minutes, miss a few good chances and score a tap in and declare "the haters" wrong and Ronaldo the GOAT again.

 

[led_scholes]

Just Antony or are there others as well?

Do you think Antony is the best one?

 

[Swordsman]

Just sell.. the issue is there any interested buyers?

 

[Rams]

I’m not getting a good impression of some of the posts in this thread. Either WUM’s or people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Rashford was top drawer yesterday. The way he took his goal was lethal. On this form he’s up there with the best in the World. EtH is transforming Rashford because he’s always had the skill set & physical attributes.

 

[Rood]

Anyone using this word to even begin making a point (which you've failed) is essentially putting themselves in RedCafe's category of Lingard posters.

And which category are you? Initial signs suggest somewhere around Bebe or Djemba-Djemba

 

[Solius]

If he keeps this up he'll deserve a new contract but too soon to say at the moment.

 

[mctrials23]

I’m not getting a good impression of some of the posts in this thread. Either WUM’s or people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Rashford was top drawer yesterday. The way he took his goal was lethal. On this form he’s up there with the best in the World. EtH is transforming Rashford because he’s always had the skill set & physical attributes.

It was a nice header from bang on the 6 yard box. Wasn't anything special. Attacked the ball well and got good power on it but it wasn't anything special. Casemiros header the other week was much better. Rashford played well yesterday and looks to be regaining his form nicely. The issue many of us have is that even in this form his wages are pretty high and will he maintain this level or go AWOL for another year or more at some point.

Hes not up there with the worlds best. He has massive holes in his game which if he can fix, he could be considered one of the best wide forwards. Hes 25 now however. Hopefully EtH can guide him but we already gave him a silly contract based on "what if". Doing it again is silly.

 

[Rams]

It was a nice header from bang on the 6 yard box. Wasn't anything special. Attacked the ball well and got good power on it but it wasn't anything special. Casemiros header the other week was much better. Rashford played well yesterday and looks to be regaining his form nicely. The issue many of us have is that even in this form his wages are pretty high and will he maintain this level or go AWOL for another year or more at some point.

Hes not up there with the worlds best. He has massive holes in his game which if he can fix, he could be considered one of the best wide forwards. Hes 25 now however. Hopefully EtH can guide him but we already gave him a silly contract based on "what if". Doing it again is silly.

I’ve never seen him attack balls like that before, if he adds that to his game he’s absolutely top drawer. He performs like that = new contract. Any other opinion is just being silly.

 

[mctrials23]

I’ve never seen him attack balls like that before, if he adds that to his game he’s absolutely top drawer. He performs like that = new contract. Any other opinion is just being silly.

This is a single game. Yes, if he keeps playing well then he should get a new contract. Its a very simple decision because we won't get that much for him due to his contract length and wages and replacing him would cost a lot more.

Extrapolating his value to the team from his best performance in a long time doesn't make sense though. We will see.

 

[Rams]

This is a single game. Yes, if he keeps playing well then he should get a new contract. Its a very simple decision because we won't get that much for him due to his contract length and wages and replacing him would cost a lot more.

Extrapolating his value to the team from his best performance in a long time doesn't make sense though. We will see.

He’s quality for at least a month, but has had to be played out of position due to the situation with Ronaldo & Martial. Even more reason to praise the way Rashford is performing recently.

 

[RedorDead21]

Looking forward to his well deserved new contract

Great to see Marcus in a good mental space and proving the haters wrong once again

Haters? He got lots of flak for being garbage because he was for a whole season pretty much. Obviously we focus only on his football as we are selfish fans who believe if you get paid over a 100k a week you should actually ensure that job is your focus in life. He didn’t, he suffered because of it, his fault not joe bloggs and now he has presumably changed his personal life and it shows. He’s young, sounds like a great guy but the mistake was on him. Is he good enough for a first team who wants to topple city, never for me. Is he one of our better players right now, yes. Tells us all where we are vs our city rivals more so than any fault of this young lad.

 

[edgecutter]

I'd be happy enough to give a new contract, but he is already earning a massive amount on his current deal and would likely want a pay increase or similar wages to Sancho, and that cannot happen. New contract on the same wages is what he should get considering his performance level.

 

[mctrials23]

He’s quality for at least a month, but has had to be played out of position due to the situation with Ronaldo & Martial. Even more reason to praise the way Rashford is performing recently.

I don't particularly agree. I think that the contrast between recent Rashford and last seasons Rashford is massive and thats making people think hes performing at a higher level than he is. I was astonished when he won player of the month.

I agree that the Ronaldo situation isn't helping anyone though. Martial at this point is a bit of an irrelevance. Good for the team when hes fit but thats so fleeting that its almost not worth mentioning.

If he continues this form for the rest of the season I will be more than happy to give him a new contract.

 

[Rood]

Haters? He got lots of flak for being garbage because he was for a whole season pretty much. Obviously we focus only on his football as we are selfish fans who believe if you get paid over a 100k a week you should actually ensure that job is your focus in life. He didn’t, he suffered because of it, his fault not joe bloggs and now he has presumably changed his personal life and it shows. He’s young, sounds like a great guy but the mistake was on him. Is he good enough for a first team who wants to topple city, never for me. Is he one of our better players right now, yes. Tells us all where we are vs our city rivals more so than any fault of this young lad.

No doubt he was terrible last season and questions about his future were absolutely fair

However many went too far and fair criticism turned into abuse including some ridiculous negativity about his incredible off field achievements

I personally think he is good enough for that and look forward to his new contract being announced

 

[stevoc]

Do you think Antony is the best one?

Best compared to which top players, how would I know which top players you are talking about?

You said Rashford's game is below any top player. Ok but which players?

 

[led_scholes]

Best compared to which top players, how would I know which top players you are talking about?

You said Rashford's game is below any top player. Ok but which players?

Sorry, poor grammar by my side; meant to say if you consider Antony as the better one between them. If you dont, then you will find my list of players (which I cant bother to write as they are too many) irrelevant.

 

[RedSky]

Can't wait for Rashford to come back from England demoralised after Southgate ignores him for the majority of the competition.

 

[stevoc]

Sorry, poor grammar by my side; meant to say if you consider Antony as the better one between them. If you dont, then you will find my list of players (which I cant bother to write as they are too many) irrelevant.

Haven't watched Antony over a long enough period in a top league to make a determination about whether or not he'll be a better player than Rashford long term. Even if the signs are promising.

(which I cant bother to write as they are too many)

How about 10-15 then?

 

[gza the genius]

I don't think he has earned an improved deal by any means but I think we'd be crazy to not try to extend at similar terms. Even if we do that and then next season he falls back to how he was last season this is one of those rare occasions where I think the contract extension would actually pay off as I think we'd get pretty good money for Rashford. I don't think that will happen but I think it's a win-win for United either way whereas losing him on a free or next to nothing will put us in a position where we have to spend 50m+ to replace him on top of all the other holes in the squad.

 

[Ali Dia]

I agree with those saying give a new contract but with a lot of performance based incentives. He’s not going to get paid any more anywhere else and he’s shown he is perfectly capable of downing tools when things aren’t going his way. He’s ok to be part of a winning team but not the main guy. He’s still not one of the very best attackers in the league, we also aren’t one of the best teams in the league. Our players should be treated accordingly until we start challenging for a whole season at the very least.

What will probably actually happen is he’ll get his 300k a week he will be one of our top 5 players but never anything more. We need so much more consistency and aggression from our top players and Rashford has been #1 at fault for that over the years. I think overpaying and feeding back into that kind of mentality has been a big part of our malaise.

 

[RedC]

If he keeps this up he'll deserve a new contract but too soon to say at the moment.

Is he not on 250k a week, if anything he is just about deserving of his current one at the moment.

 

[m1tch]

Hard one to judge, is this just the typical up turn in form that players have when their deals are coming up for renewal? How much will he be wanting? What position does EtH see him being in in the long term and can he reach a high enough level for our ambitions in that position? Who's on our radar for the attacking positions (internally or externally), and do we fancy they'll reach higher levels of ability and consistency?

Let's see what the rest of the season brings, because whilst his output at the moment is much better than its been (wasn't hard to better that), it's still not enough to stake the team's success on for the next 3-4 years. I'd fancy shelving any final decisions until the back end of the season.

 

[Strootman's Finger]

Having a good season, improving under Ten Hag, still a limited player and I am nowhere near ready to forgive for last season. Lots more work to do Marcus.

 

[Stig]

Having a good season, improving under Ten Hag, still a limited player and I am nowhere near ready to forgive for last season. Lots more work to do Marcus.

Saved me a post almost.

He's one dimensional, although has just scored two good headers, one was excellent, but I don't think he has enough of an all round game to keep him.

 

[Strootman's Finger]

Saved me a post almost.

He's one dimensional, although has just scored two good headers, one was excellent, but I don't think he has enough of an all round game to keep him.

You are right, he did score a couple good headers. Hey, if Ten Hag is the miracle worker he appears to be and can continually add more to Rashford's game, I'm all for it. But at this point, he isn't worth the new contract.

 

[Still ill]

He's flying at the moment. Let's be happy with that and take it one week at a time. I think anyone linking his upswing in form to the proximity of contract talks is being overly cynical.

 

[Solius]

Is he not on 250k a week, if anything he is just about deserving of his current one at the moment.

Yeah I've always advocated for extending a contract but keeping the salary the same. Not sure why it always has to increase.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Yeah I've always advocated for extending a contract but keeping the salary the same. Not sure why it always has to increase.

Exactly, more so when they're already overpaid.

 

[Zed 101]

If we were judging our players on last season alone then we may as well bin them all off, they were all shocking (barring Ronaldo who everyone now wants to get rid of... ironic much?)

Lets write off last season there is nothing else for it, I don't know that Rashdford has done anything this season to warrant an improved contract, however no agent worth his salt would allow him to accept a reduced contract at his age.

How much would it cost to replace Rashford? we just paid £70+ million for Antony, who I like but does he offer anything more than Rashford? cannot see that, and how much before that on what's his name? I forget because he disappears so much... oh yeah Sancho... I see in the Transfer forum people talking about spunking huge wads, on unproved strikers, not saying Rashford was ever worth the contract he currently has but replacing him would be a significantly higher cost and no guarantees.

Getting rid of Rashford is quite honestly ridiculous maybe if he gets forced out of the team by incoming player performances, but we are talking at least the end of next season before that is a remote possibilty.

 

[roseguy64]

Just sell.. the issue is there any interested buyers?

No. There are no clubs who would be interested in Marcus Rashford. He's clearly an awful player who somehow fluked multiple seasons worth of good stats.

 

[Withnail]

No. There are no clubs who would be interested in Marcus Rashford. He's clearly an awful player who somehow fluked multiple seasons worth of good stats.

Ha some wild takes around here.

Some people think we shouldn't renew his contract so he'll leave on a free and we'd be looking at 60/70m at least to replace him.

He had one bad year in a dysfunctional team and we don't even know the full story behind why he was out of form. If he keeps up his current form for the rest of the season we can write it off as a blip.

 

[Chairman Steve]

He’s back to where he was before his injury problems to be honest, which is good but not brilliant. He should be a bit more polished by now but he’s still got questionable decision making, which is a standard trait of a younger player.

Hopefully ETH can mould him into something better. I don’t think having Solskjaer as his manager helped his development at all. Progression stagnated and ran him into the ground in hindsight. ETH being a firm taskmaster who won’t put up with nonsense is good for him.

 

[Isotope]

Yeah I've always advocated for extending a contract but keeping the salary the same. Not sure why it always has to increase.

because with 1 year left in his contract this summer, he has (almost) all the negotiation power?

He (and his agent) can just point out to Sancho, Martial, Bruno, Sterling, and Grealish' and wants on par with them.

 

[wolvored]

If he keeps yesterdays form up until the end of the season, the club could offer him an extra 2 year deal with the same basic, but increase goals and assist bonuses, with the promise of an increase in his next contract as long as his contribution remains high over the 2 seasons.

 

[Isotope]

If he keeps yesterdays form up until the end of the season, the club could offer him an extra 2 year deal with the same basic, but increase goals and assist bonuses, with the promise of an increase in his next contract as long as his contribution remains high over the 2 seasons.

Would you take this if you were in his shoes?

 

[afatzp]

With his current form, we can say his salary of this year is fairly earned (with 25% pay cut for not qualifying the CL , around 150K / week ) . But taking the last two years' performance into consideration, he was way overpaid and did not meet the par average of elite footballer as his salaries would suggest.

I think we should extend him a 4+1 year deal at around 200K / week and start the conversation in winter, and meanwhile approaching Gakpo for next summer signing. If he signed, we ideally secured his prime up to 29 years old . If not, we can cash in next summer and bring in the replacement. Gakpo 's playing style is quite similar to Rashford but with better first touch, and have a higher ceiling of potential to achieve in his future.

 

[Solius]

because with 1 year left in his contract this summer, he has (almost) all the negotiation power?

He (and his agent) can just point out to Sancho, Martial, Bruno, Sterling, and Grealish' and wants on par with them.

I know that but I meant more in the broader sense (Also wishful thinking but would be nice if players agreed they deserved to just continue on with their current pay).