Rashford - New contract or sell?
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What feck is wrong with you people? You are insane.
Off your fecking tits.
Your Manchester United fans, yeah? Play in red, from the North West??
Nutters.
Giggs wouldn't have got even close to being here at thirty if your options held any weight.
Lunatics.
Off your fecking tits.
Your Manchester United fans, yeah? Play in red, from the North West??
Nutters.
Giggs wouldn't have got even close to being here at thirty if your options held any weight.
Lunatics.
He will get his new contract. He might never be a world class player and earn more money than he should based on his ability (there might be better players earning less than him) but he will at the very least be a good player to have in the squad competing for a starting role. Replacing him would also be costly. First off all actually buying a replacement that is as good or better wont be cheap at all and i dont think that replacement wants to play for free either.
Concerns about Rashford's consistency are not unreasonable, but it make more sense to sign him to a new contract than to look to sell him or let him run down his contract and walk out. What the right wage might be I have no idea. What sounds like an astronomical number today might sound like a puny number in 3-4 seasons anyway.
Contract if he accepts a lower wage if not sell, really should be improving on him.
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On the form he was on Sunday he’s up there with the best attackers in World football and you may quote me on that time & time again. I really do not know what some idiots in this forum expect, Rashford is an extremely talented footballer and when his talent finally comes to fruit he is a World beater. Luckily most people in football agree with me because they do know what they’re talking about.
A convincing argument if I've ever seen one. You've completely changed my mind and I am about to order his colouring book.
Rashford clearly learned from Ronaldo. His goal against West Ham was top class. Run in, jump high and head well to score. Certainly better than Martial or Sancho in this aspect.
New contract? Absolutely! He's the face of man utd but he still does not deserve a super high amount of wages.
New contract? Absolutely! He's the face of man utd but he still does not deserve a super high amount of wages.
It's the one title Marcus rashford in big giant letters in case you happen to miss it while browsing.
I'm reliably informed I'm a 'weapon', so I might need a direct link, I'm afraid
I don't have one as I said look towards the Giant letters : )-
I have no idea what’s going on here. What’s wrong here???!!! Unbelievable.
If it was up to Caftards here, we could be changing players every season based on their previous season's performance.
Sounds familiar?
All the posters who claim that we need to sell and buy someone better: Who exactly? The likes of Mbappe, Vinicius, Haaland etc. will not join us.
And honestly, other than the absolut top tier players i just mentioed I can't think of a single other player in his position who would be worth to sell Rashford for.
100 Goals for the club at 24 for a very likeable local lad and lifelong United fan. I just cannot understand why a United wants to have him sold. It's ridiculous in my opinion.
And honestly, other than the absolut top tier players i just mentioed I can't think of a single other player in his position who would be worth to sell Rashford for.
100 Goals for the club at 24 for a very likeable local lad and lifelong United fan. I just cannot understand why a United wants to have him sold. It's ridiculous in my opinion.
Plastic fans?
Rashford is still a LW, currently better than Sancho. The real problem is on Sancho, who everyone thought can play on the right, but end up a 4 on both side.
Still don't think he's the real deal. Would sell him and Sancho.
Last season’s Rashford was worth about £20M tops, this season’s Rashford is worth upward of £100M at least. So depends which Rashford we’re going to see at a more consistent basis. It’s a fresh start under a good manager, for perhaps the first time in his career so let’s see now what his ceiling is before jumping into a new contract. I have a strong feeling that he will earn a lucrative contract based on his performances this season and not just reputation.
The reality of top-flight football is brutal - you HAVE to be consistently great, great in several games and then long spells of crap is just not acceptable. I am willing to give him a benefit of doubt under Ten Hag this season, because he clearly has talent, but if he doesn't deliver consistent greatness this year, he has to go. Club over any single player - simple as that.
And yes - he is certainly a LW, not a striker. That is not even a debate, we just are forced to play him as a striker because we have none available.
And yes - he is certainly a LW, not a striker. That is not even a debate, we just are forced to play him as a striker because we have none available.
This.
Would be interesting to know the options to replace him. Given that we also need a top class number nine next season.
Ask any fan other than United fans if they would want Rashford. I bet 99% would despite his crappy previous season.
Caftards treat the players like its some FM game -- crap for a season or two, sell him. We need to look at their ceiling and their floors and then decide.
100% they would. Ask ETH and he would name Rashford as one of his most important players right now and he has always publicly protected Rashford and said he's one of his most important players. Hoping his new contract is sorted soon.
Besides, we need to get another striker -- not get rid of one unless his name happens to be Ronaldo.
Bring in 2 top strikers in one window? When has that ever happened? If last summer's 200+ million transfer budget was an anomaly, bringing in 2 strikers plus ... some want another goalie to replace DDG also.... that's 300+million budget?
Management is about making the best choices with the resources available. Not some game where you chop & change like you are the Bank of England.
82+% of the folks here want to sell him?!
#Embarrassing
Totally agree - he had a bad season in a season where the entire club was a shambles and he was struggling with recovery from injury. He's not back to his best yet, but he's showing that he's far from a busted flush
Can't agree more, for many fans if de didn't turn into Ronaldo at this age he should be binned.
We have some absolute nutjobs as fans that’s for sure.
Last season I’d have sold Rashford, De Gea, Dalot, Lindelöf, Shaw amongst about 15 others; after a few months of this season though you’d have to be absolutely off your rocker to suggest selling Rashford, Shaw or Dalot; their improvement has been staggering. I’m even coming around to De Gea being our keeper for another few seasons if he keeps improving at this rate, something I never expected to say in a million years as I had him as our biggest problem just a few months back.
But you lot would’ve sold Salah and De Bryune in a heartbeat when they were at Chelsea, no doubt about that whatsoever. Chelsea are a team that prove just how important a manager change can be to players, they’ve won both their CL trophies after firing a manager mid-season due to underperforming players.
Right now, Rashford is our most dangerous and important attacking presence and Ten Hag is working wonders with him. If the improvement continues and I expect it to go up another level with Martial or a new striker up top, there’s no question we should be extending his contract.
Last season I’d have sold Rashford, De Gea, Dalot, Lindelöf, Shaw amongst about 15 others; after a few months of this season though you’d have to be absolutely off your rocker to suggest selling Rashford, Shaw or Dalot; their improvement has been staggering. I’m even coming around to De Gea being our keeper for another few seasons if he keeps improving at this rate, something I never expected to say in a million years as I had him as our biggest problem just a few months back.
But you lot would’ve sold Salah and De Bryune in a heartbeat when they were at Chelsea, no doubt about that whatsoever. Chelsea are a team that prove just how important a manager change can be to players, they’ve won both their CL trophies after firing a manager mid-season due to underperforming players.
Right now, Rashford is our most dangerous and important attacking presence and Ten Hag is working wonders with him. If the improvement continues and I expect it to go up another level with Martial or a new striker up top, there’s no question we should be extending his contract.
The only man who is valued like a Cryptocurrency.
Salah was bought by Chelsea for 16.5m euros, then Roma for 15m euros, 2 seasons later he was bought for 42m euros and 1 season after that he was valued at 100m+.
At his peak he was a 150m player, now I’d imagine Liverpool wouldn’t get even half of that.
All players are valued like crypto, their value goes up or down based on current form.
Last season’s Dalot probably wouldn’t have fetched even 5 million.
I feel I have a very different view of the game than quite a few people here.
I look at Rashford as a magical story. The debut days when he stepped up with insane goals out of nowhere when LVG needed them. How he scored on almost every debut he had as a teenager, and how he celebrated them as a local lad who'd come through the academy and grown up loving the club. How he idolized Rooney and ended up taking over the goalscoring burden from his idol while keeping his head down and going to school. How he handled the inevitable drop off under Mourinho and turned up under Ole again. His insane big game record when we had that fairytale run under Ole, that PSG game in particular. How he single handedly got a government to reverse its decision to let children go hungry, and how he did it while facing racism and unfair criticism from quite a large part of the country including his own club's fans. His ability to always keep himself available, even though it came at the cost of his injuries. The sheer joy of some of his goals. Knuckle ball free kicks, elastico skills before selling defenders (White, Demechellis, Dunk, T. Silva off the top of my head) and slotting home, being a terror in counter attacks with pace, control and finishing, his intelligence in link up play.
I felt incredibly proud when he scored that 100th goal. He may not end up in the list of greatest left wingers or center forwards, but he's definitely had a very special career both on and off the pitch already, with many years and a peak still left in the tank.
I do not understand how we can reduce this story to a mere binary decision of sell or not sell, based solely on the arguable impression that he may not be the best player we could have there. Money may buy you a better player, but it can't guarantee better results. United fans who jeer at "mercenary" players and have witnessed almost a billion pounds wasted on big name players who never turned up should know.
Even keeping the priceless nature of his time at United aside, the sell argument seems incredibly naive to me from a logistical perspective.
Is there a clear cut replacement who is guaranteed to be demonstably better AND wants to come play for us? Sancho had better numbers and he's struggling to break through. Before him, Martial kept getting injured and didn't run enough under Mourinho, and we know what happened with Alexis Sanchez. Bar the likes of Neymar, Mbappe or Vinicius Jr, who is demonstrably better?
But let's assume there is. Let us assume there exists such a player who'll want to come to United and replace Rashford in the starting XI. Maybe Sane, Dembele or Son. In that case, do we not need a backup or a rotation option? Would it not be stupid to let go of a young, homegrown, rapid, hard working, versatile big game player who has shown the professionalism to sit on the bench and fight for his place? In a market where options are far and few and all expensive? It's not like we need to make money from sales.
This thread is madness. It's full of FIFA rating-based reasoning where people apparently know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
I look at Rashford as a magical story. The debut days when he stepped up with insane goals out of nowhere when LVG needed them. How he scored on almost every debut he had as a teenager, and how he celebrated them as a local lad who'd come through the academy and grown up loving the club. How he idolized Rooney and ended up taking over the goalscoring burden from his idol while keeping his head down and going to school. How he handled the inevitable drop off under Mourinho and turned up under Ole again. His insane big game record when we had that fairytale run under Ole, that PSG game in particular. How he single handedly got a government to reverse its decision to let children go hungry, and how he did it while facing racism and unfair criticism from quite a large part of the country including his own club's fans. His ability to always keep himself available, even though it came at the cost of his injuries. The sheer joy of some of his goals. Knuckle ball free kicks, elastico skills before selling defenders (White, Demechellis, Dunk, T. Silva off the top of my head) and slotting home, being a terror in counter attacks with pace, control and finishing, his intelligence in link up play.
I felt incredibly proud when he scored that 100th goal. He may not end up in the list of greatest left wingers or center forwards, but he's definitely had a very special career both on and off the pitch already, with many years and a peak still left in the tank.
I do not understand how we can reduce this story to a mere binary decision of sell or not sell, based solely on the arguable impression that he may not be the best player we could have there. Money may buy you a better player, but it can't guarantee better results. United fans who jeer at "mercenary" players and have witnessed almost a billion pounds wasted on big name players who never turned up should know.
Even keeping the priceless nature of his time at United aside, the sell argument seems incredibly naive to me from a logistical perspective.
Is there a clear cut replacement who is guaranteed to be demonstably better AND wants to come play for us? Sancho had better numbers and he's struggling to break through. Before him, Martial kept getting injured and didn't run enough under Mourinho, and we know what happened with Alexis Sanchez. Bar the likes of Neymar, Mbappe or Vinicius Jr, who is demonstrably better?
But let's assume there is. Let us assume there exists such a player who'll want to come to United and replace Rashford in the starting XI. Maybe Sane, Dembele or Son. In that case, do we not need a backup or a rotation option? Would it not be stupid to let go of a young, homegrown, rapid, hard working, versatile big game player who has shown the professionalism to sit on the bench and fight for his place? In a market where options are far and few and all expensive? It's not like we need to make money from sales.
This thread is madness. It's full of FIFA rating-based reasoning where people apparently know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Wait.
The voice of reason I needed to hear this morning.
If you look at how Sancho has went so far, if gives even more reason to extend.
100% agree. Can you imagine if we were a club that just bought & sold players like they were some commodity? There wouldn't be any deep love for the club or its history since it wouldn't be valued. Only purely on results.
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Its nice to see some sensible well thought out posts.
You can view Rashford as a magical story all you like but top level football is not sentimental and your first paragraph is something Rawk would be proud of. This is the same player who barely made an attempt to help his team while on the pitch and was actively exploring options to move away from United. So be proud of his 100th goal and his good social work but lets not pretend football at this level is anything but transactional.
Also the debate is not binary like you suggest. We could sell, renew or not reach an agreement on terms for a new deal and he walks for free. Even with the first two options there are variables. If we get a Coutinho type offer for Rashford do we turn it down? If he wants 300k a week do we agree to those terms?
I've been harsh on Rashford but he is a good footballer who is worth a hefty chunk of change on the open market, I think we will agree a new contract with him but hopefully it's on reasonable terms. Also been happy with his improvements and efforts this season but I'm gonna need a lot more to make up for the shitshow that was last year.
This thread was made last season. There were quite a few games where Rashford was walking around the pitch and not even trying. It makes sense that there were a large majority (including me) saying sell. He was also quite bad in the 2nd half of 20/21. He had the surgery that he needed, and we thought he would kick on and start to perform again. That obviously didn't happen. There were stories coming out saying he wanted to leave as well.
After seeing him play this season, I would obviously not sell him. He looks like a different player. His interview after the West Ham game gives us more clarity as to why he was so bad last season. The fans aren't going to know that he had personal problems.
After seeing him play this season, I would obviously not sell him. He looks like a different player. His interview after the West Ham game gives us more clarity as to why he was so bad last season. The fans aren't going to know that he had personal problems.
Too right and what hope is there for the blinkered 'fans' who can't recognise this
Yep
Seeing at this poll closed months ago, I think we need a need thread and poll with this as the OP
I am not denying it is transcational, I am pointing out that your argument is flawed when it comes to assessing the value of the transcation. You are looking at wages as the price, without understanding the value of what you get for that price. These magical stories are what sell the clubs to the next generations of fans (customer acquisition), and what attracts new top players to the club (increased valuation). These stories are what help United sell merchandise across the globe so they can spend a billion over a decade of failed experiements and still put in 250m more for another summer's worth of purchases. The number of people who buy these stories, the sense of community it generates among those who believe it and the money this generates is what keeps the club going. Be it noodle sponsors or players like Van Persie, these stories are what set the club apart from others. (These stories are also, perhaps, the reason why you and I have almost a combined 22,000 posts on a United forum, generating revenue for RedCafe's evil overlords.)
My argument is simple. The price (say an 'undeserved' extra 1.5m/year) the club pays to Marcus Rashford is far less compared to the value he brings in return. If he is exploring options to move away in a market where we cannot replace him easily, we should convince him to stay.
Hopefully we agree that letting him walk for free is the worst transaction that could be made, sentimental or otherwise.
If Barcelona were to offer the 2017's equivalent of 150m today for Rashford, and if there are immediate replacements for much lesser than that price who can replace or better his value who wish to come to United, we do not turn it down. Till there are such replacements, however, he is simply not for sale.
It's funny how you should mention Coutinho, because that was the result of Liverpool exploiting Barca's Neymar fee, much like how any other club will exploit United for Rashford's astronomical fee. Also worth pointing out that Liverpool remain a rare case of a team actually strengthening after a mega sale, as opposed to the usual when clubs struggle to use the funds. Like Barcelona's finances going up in flames after Neymar. Or Monaco after Mbappe, or Spurs after Bale, or Madrid after Ronaldo, or Leicester post Maguire, or Everton post Lukaku, or - and this should have come in earlier - United after Ronaldo.
Hopefully the people in charge whose expectations actually matter have a more long-sighted view of affairs, and a better understanding of Marcus Rashford's value.
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