Raphael Varane | Signed new contract to 2022

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We bought Jones instead of him and even now I don't think either of them are all that apart

Jones is a good enough defender who has stagnated since 19 or whatever due to injuries. Same as Varane. But both of them are still youngish and are kept with the team in the hopes that they will fulfill potential.

The only difference is that Varane had insane hype after that one Barca game where he was on a different level and had last ditch tackles on cesc Messi and all. But if he was with us, people would be clamouring to sell him and buy a replacement
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
1) If Pepe is still above him in the pecking order for the majority of the season then many clubs will think "Hmmhhh maybe after all he isn't so amazing".

2) If Real Madrid are getting their transfer ban then he'll stay there till July 2018.
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Pepe is an excellent player though. It is just that he is the most odious character in top level football that makes people assume he is gash.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
1) If Pepe is still above him in the pecking order for the majority of the season then many clubs will think "Hmmhhh maybe after all he isn't so amazing".
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1. Pepe is still one of the best CBs around, even at 33.

2. Real Madrid are well known for not developing or given chances to young talent. They have sold many a good player.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Pepe is an excellent player though. It is just that he is the most odious character in top level football that makes people assume he is gash.
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unitedbhoy said:
1. Pepe is still one of the best CBs around, even at 33.

2. Real Madrid are well known for not developing or given chances to young talent. They have sold many a good player.
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Of course Pepe is a very good defender.

But Varane is apparently a world-class talent and it is his sixth season at Real Madrid......yeah he's only 23 but it's now time to play regularly for him especially as world-class talent.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Of course Pepe is a very good defender.

But Varane is apparently a world-class talent and it is his sixth season at Real Madrid......yeah he's only 23 but it's now time to play regularly for him especially as world-class talent.
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Why would Real Madrid 'risk' playing a very talented young player in extremely important matches, when they have a ready made world class centre back? They have no intention of developing young players. Varane played most La Liga games out of both players, that's where he is given playing time. He is obviously very highly rated by Madrid, otherwise he wouldn't be playing at all.

Varane does play regularly, he is just not favoured in the big matches, which will be very disappointing for him, especially considering he is highly rated by several other top clubs.
 
He is still banking on reputation he built ages ago. He hasn't played well in a while. His progress has stalled big time.
 
Real gave him #5 today. Zidane rates him, he's given him his old number. As long as Zidane is there, he'll stay IMO.

So next summer he might be up for grabs.
 
If people think Smalling is error prone, I would love to hear what they would say about this guy.
 
Looked absolute class when Madrid first got him, was convinced he'd go onto being one of the best CB's around. He hasn't really developed much though, couldn't even push Pepe out of the squad last season and seems to be a bit of a crook too.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
If people think Smalling is error prone, I would love to hear what they would say about this guy.
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Seen as he's not a Utd player probably he's as good Maldini and Beckenbauer put together and obviously the best 23 year old defender in the world as of now.
 
Womp said:
Looked absolute class when Madrid first got him, was convinced he'd go onto being one of the best CB's around. He hasn't really developed much though, couldn't even push Pepe out of the squad last season and seems to be a bit of a crook too.
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Pepe is a top 5 defender in the world easily, probably even better than his pal Ramos (main difference is Ramos scores a lot of goals and important goals, real leader but doesnt make him a better defender imo).
 
Classy player, injuries have impacted on his consistency. I reckon if Pepe and Ramos are still playing in front of him for another season, he might be here the next.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Pepe is a top 5 defender in the world easily, probably even better than his pal Ramos (main difference is Ramos scores a lot of goals and important goals, real leader but doesnt make him a better defender imo).
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Pepe's behavior overshadows his abilities as a defender. I also think he is their best defender, as for Ramos he makes so many fouls and gets too many red cards but he is amazing on the ball though
 
Hope we go for Laporte when we get the chance or this lad both going to be world class centre halfs
 
Obiorahking_ said:
If people think Smalling is error prone, I would love to hear what they would say about this guy.
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The French Phil Jones. Very quick and makes a great last ditch tackle, but if he could position himself properly it wouldn't need to be done.
 
I still think he is quality, but I do also think he needs to move clubs, as I can totally see why Real would pick Ramos and Pepe over him.
 
He's currently a good defender but he is always gonna find it hard getting past Ramos and Pepe and it doesn't help he has somewhat stalled in the last few season. Ramos is a leader and scores goals for fun but is the weaker defender. Pepe on the other hand looks a twunt but is actually a top class defender.
 
sincher said:
I still think he is quality, but I do also think he needs to move clubs, as I can totally see why Real would pick Ramos and Pepe over him.
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They're 30 and 33, respectively. With Varane only being 23 he probably sees himself as being a long term first choice for Madrid.
 
I have to question his decision-making skills. Does he really like staying on the bench for an entire season (Irrespective of the club he is at) rather than developing his game more and making a name for himself as a number 1 choice for another team?
 
EyeInTheSky said:
I have to question his decision-making skills. Does he really like staying on the bench for an entire season (Irrespective of the club he is at) rather than developing his game more and making a name for himself as a number 1 choice for another team?
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Laporte has developed a lot better at Bilbao because he is playing. Varane gets picked for France because he is at Real, simple as. He might get a nasty shock if Real decide to buy another CB at some point who has been playing regularly elsewhere and they jump ahead of him in the queue.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Laporte has developed a lot better at Bilbao because he is playing. Varane gets picked for France because he is at Real, simple as. He might get a nasty shock if Real decide to buy another CB at some point who has been playing regularly elsewhere and they jump ahead of him in the queue.
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I just hope he is not wasting his talent because Madrid are playing a game with him. Surely they could loan him out to PSG for example or something like that so he can play and stay sharp.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
I just hope he is not wasting his talent because Madrid are playing a game with him. Surely they could loan him out to PSG for example or something like that so he can play and stay sharp.
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Exactly. I don't understand how they think it will benefit them in the future having a player who is not playing except if he gets called up for his international team, for whom he makes mistakes because he is rarely playing for his club side.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Exactly. I don't understand how they think it will benefit them in the future having a player who is not playing except if he gets called up for his international team, for whom he makes mistakes because he is rarely playing for his club side.
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Can't argue with that. Such a waste. Even if he eventually replaces Pepe or Ramos after 2-3 years he would wasted all those previous and future years going into his prime. How long has he been there now and how many games has he played. What a waste.
 
wiz4231 said:
Seen as he's not a Utd player probably he's as good Maldini and Beckenbauer put together and obviously the best 23 year old defender in the world as of now.
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You know this is very true. For some reason the grass is always greener somewhere else but here. Players tend to get rated highly when not playing for us and get underrated once they join us. An example of this is Pogba too whom some have degraded to merely being a good MF when previously he was seen as WC. I mean the guy made it to FIFA world 11, what more proof do people want, it's not like they put chump in FIFA world 11 or something.

A player trading his mark at clubs like Real and such are automatically seen as WC by most Cafe resident regardless of their actual level. There is this idea that Real have their entire squad composed of WC players and it's unfathomable for them to have lesser than world class players.

Take a Smalling from last year and put on a Real shirt on him and people will claim he's world class, equally also put a Man United shirt on Marcelo and people will start questioning whether he is truly WC or not. it's very bizarre how people think in here.

Last year Zlatan and Pogba were WC, this year there are already more questions whether they are WC or not on these boards, probably the Man United effect in this place.
 
GBBQ said:
They're 30 and 33, respectively. With Varane only being 23 he probably sees himself as being a long term first choice for Madrid.
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I hear you. The trouble is, every year you're not first choice hurts your development as a player - it could still be 2 years away. Or one of them could get an injury and he would be in - could go either way.
 
Santoryo said:
You know this is very true. For some reason the grass is always greener somewhere else but here. Players tend to get rated highly when not playing for us and get underrated once they join us. An example of this is Pogba too whom some have degraded to merely being a good MF when previously he was seen as WC. I mean the guy made it to FIFA world 11, what more proof do people want, it's not like they put chump in FIFA world 11 or something.

A player trading his mark at clubs like Real and such are automatically seen as WC by most Cafe resident regardless of their actual level. There is this idea that Real have their entire squad composed of WC players and it's unfathomable for them to have lesser than world class players.

Take a Smalling from last year and put on a Real shirt on him and people will claim he's world class, equally also put a Man United shirt on Marcelo and people will start questioning whether he is truly WC or not. it's very bizarre how people think in here.

Last year Zlatan and Pogba were WC, this year there are already more questions whether they are WC or not on these boards, probably the Man United effect in this place.
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I get equally irritated by this. Spot on.
 
GBBQ said:
They're 30 and 33, respectively. With Varane only being 23 he probably sees himself as being a long term first choice for Madrid.
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Until Perez goes out and buys the next big superstar defender. This is Madrid we are talking about. They dont care about giving opportunities to player. They care about the flavor of the month players.
 
sincher said:
I hear you. The trouble is, every year you're not first choice hurts your development as a player - it could still be 2 years away. Or one of them could get an injury and he would be in - could go either way.
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RDCR07 said:
Until Perez goes out and buys the next big superstar defender. This is Madrid we are talking about. They dont care about giving opportunities to player. They care about the flavor of the month players.
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Yeah personally I don't think its the best decision from the player but it must be the logic he is going with. Its putting his career at risk if it goes wrong.
 
The fact Varane turned us down even after we'd signed Bailly tells me that José may not rate Smalling, like at all.

Perhaps he was marked to replace Blind or Jones but I don't think he'd be swapping Madrid for Manchester unless he was given guarantees of starting which leads me to think that Smalling may be all out of luck until the African Cup.
 
ravelston said:
Laporte looked way better before his injury.
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Will be interesting to see how he performs this season. If he comes through it with no problems I would be in for him to partner Bailly. We would be set for years and Laporte can also play LB if we are in dire need and Bailly is a RB cover.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
The fact Varane turned us down even after we'd signed Bailly tells me that José may not rate Smalling, like at all.

Perhaps he was marked to replace Blind or Jones but I don't think he'd be swapping Madrid for Manchester unless he was given guarantees of starting which leads me to think that Smalling may be all out of luck until the African Cup.
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This sure sounds like a stretch. Why do you think Varane was approached afterwards? Just because he came out and said so now, doesn't mean Jose approached him recently. It could've been when he was still not our manager, or before we had gone on preseason and after getting the no from Varane he quickly wrapped up Bailly.
 
DWelbz19 said:
This sure sounds like a stretch. Why do you think Varane was approached afterwards? Just because he came out and said so now, doesn't mean Jose approached him recently. It could've been when he was still not our manager, or before we had gone on preseason and after getting the no from Varane he quickly wrapped up Bailly.
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Wasn't in only mid August that Varane said he was committed to staying at Madrid after having talks with Zidane. It was at this stage that we turned our attention from Varane to trying to sign Fonte.
 
Bit weird how Deschamps made him vice captain over more experienced players in the France team. Captaincy and all that malarkey doesn't matter all that much though i guess. Also I see him starting loads of games for Madrid this season as the other two are getting on in age and injuries may occur.
 
Santoryo said:
You know this is very true. For some reason the grass is always greener somewhere else but here. Players tend to get rated highly when not playing for us and get underrated once they join us. An example of this is Pogba too whom some have degraded to merely being a good MF when previously he was seen as WC. I mean the guy made it to FIFA world 11, what more proof do people want, it's not like they put chump in FIFA world 11 or something.

A player trading his mark at clubs like Real and such are automatically seen as WC by most Cafe resident regardless of their actual level. There is this idea that Real have their entire squad composed of WC players and it's unfathomable for them to have lesser than world class players.

Take a Smalling from last year and put on a Real shirt on him and people will claim he's world class, equally also put a Man United shirt on Marcelo and people will start questioning whether he is truly WC or not. it's very bizarre how people think in here.

Last year Zlatan and Pogba were WC, this year there are already more questions whether they are WC or not on these boards, probably the Man United effect in this place.
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I disagree with this. Pogba's reputation as a world class player was just as debatable before he joined as after, and him becoming part of the team roused a lot more excitement among the fanbase than doubts. No one has said Varane is world class either, and most sensible posters have recognised that his progress has stalled since his earliest exploits for Real Madrid, due to limited gametime after Pepe and Ramos.
 
Oga on top. said:
Bit weird how Deschamps made him vice captain over more experienced players in the France team. Captaincy and all that malarkey doesn't matter all that much though i guess. Also I see him starting loads of games for Madrid this season as the other two are getting on in age and injuries may occur.
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The real hierarchy was Evra, Lloris and then Varane. For political reasons Evra couldn't officially be captain so Lloris took it and Varane was naturally his deputy. Lloris and Varane are respected by their teammates.
 
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