Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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KeanoMagicHat said:
He's been fine in that he has done the borderline with a toxic squad where half of them want to leave and a dead season. I don't think you can entirely blame the manager here, but I'm not saying he's been good either. Said he was a let down. Just that I wouldn't say it's his fault.
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He's not even doing the borderline at this point. I mean he got KOed from Fa Cup against a championship side, got KOed at home by Atletico in CL and has been languishing in 6th playing more games than the 4th and 5th teams. That's not the borderline or the bare minimum, especially for a manager getting the job in November or December. He had enough time to actually get something out of this season.

The problem is the football is also as bad as ever, the bad results would have been endured if there were signs of improvement on the pitch, but for Ralf there's simply not.

The previous managers lost the players after some period of time. Players were playing for LVG, Mourinho and Ole at the start. For Ralf it seems like he can't even get these players to do anything which is ultimately his problem.
 
Jacko21 said:
Loathed to judge him too harshly because of the situation he walked into.

But when you only have six months and with no appetite from the club for January acquisitions, you have to try and motivate the squad you have. And do it in double quick time. He just hasn't been able to do that.
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I am always mentioning them being unmotivated, but shouldn't a professional footballer have enough pride to motivate themselves for games, a manager might decide tactics etc, but motivation should be in the players makeup. Not doing it just gives them an excuse to blame managers for their own failings.
 
MUFC OK said:
I’m starting to question on what basis he was given the role, if it was to introduce some form of geggenpressing, we’ve barely seen it, or at least only in moments. It was a gamble, and it hasn’t really worked.
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We seen it in his first game at OT. We had to abandon it as the players are too dumb/lazy/stubborn to pull it off
 
Berbaclass said:
You believe what you like pal I'm not remotely interested in your opinion.
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So there’s not a single credible source regarding a potential transfer lined up that got vetoed by someone, yet you decide to believe it. Great.
 
Imagine not giving people with the experience of Jose Mourinho or Ralf Rangnick the reigns and decision making on signings.

The problem isn't the manager. We should ALL understand that by now.

I would love football people like Mourinho, Rangnick or Ten Hag to be given FULL control on player targets.

Our board have been the disgrace over the past 9 years and have proven to not have a strategy. The ones that could have made a difference were never backed or never given true control.

If we do anything other than install Rangnick as Director of Football and hire Ten Hag to work under him we haven't learnt a single thing in 9 years since Fergie.
 
Rangnick is facing the same issue that Ole used to face near the end of the season. These lot are in holiday mood already. We need a complete reset of first team next season.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Imagine not giving people with the experience of Jose Mourinho or Ralf Rangnick the reigns and decision making on signings.

The problem isn't the manager. We should ALL understand that by now.

I would love football people like Mourinho, Rangnick or Ten Hag to be given FULL control on player targets.

Our board have been the disgrace over the past 9 years and have proven to not have a strategy. The ones that could have made a difference were never backed or never given true control.

If we do anything other than install Rangnick as Director of Football and hire Ten Hag to work under him we haven't learnt a single thing in 9 years since Fergie.
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What other top clubs are run that way? It would be a backwards step relative to the way all the other elite clubs handle their recruitment.

Edit: assuming you mean them having full control over transfer as managers.
 
I honestly think we would have been better off with Carrick.

I don’t see the point in bringing a « system coach » who haven’t been a coach for a long long time and was freezing in Russia, for a 6 months job to save the season. It doesn’t make sense. The « new board » seems as clueless as the old one.
 
UncleBob said:
So there’s not a single credible source regarding a potential transfer lined up that got vetoed by someone, yet you decide to believe it. Great.
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You can’t explicitly prove that there wasn’t. I can’t explicitly prove that there was. Neither of us have access to that sort of information. Stupid argument.
 
Berbaclass said:
What a load of bollocks. We were an absolute mess and arguably still are. Until we root out the toxic and lazy culture at the club everything else is a pipe dream.
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Please explain to me how Ole was able to deliver 2nd place I the table with arguably an inferior squad, yet Ralf has performed worse than Ole? If it’s the players and only the players, then surely we’d have finished 6th last season, no?

How is heading off to Barbados to enjoy a cricket match after losing 4-1 in a derby and to Atletico setting a positive example and instilling a culture of winning?

You and the rest of the Ralf fan boys need to take the L and take a break from the Caf for a few days. You’re having a ‘mare mate.
 
Berbaclass said:
You can’t explicitly prove that there wasn’t. I can’t explicitly prove that there was. Neither of us have access to that sort of information. Stupid argument.
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So why the feck would you pretend transfers were vetoed and use it as an argument.
 
clarkydaz said:
We seen it in his first game at OT. We had to abandon it as the players are too dumb/lazy/stubborn to pull it off
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You can't just introduce pressing at the snap of your fingers. It takes time and practice to get it perfect. If we do get ETH and his coaching methods it will definitely sort the players with footballing intelligence and the men from the boys.
 
Ace of Spades said:
He is not that good, but then he keeps playing the same players and doing the same things that do not work. This would be a bit more bearable if he did not keep playing players who don't even want to be here next season.
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Other than dropping Maguire, there’s nothing else he could have done with the players at his disposal.
 
Redfrog said:
I honestly think we would have been better off with Carrick.

I don’t see the point in bringing a « system coach » who haven’t been a coach for a long long time and was freezing in Russia, for a 6 months job to save the season. It doesn’t make sense. The « new board » seems as clueless as the old one.
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Carrick didn't want to stay.
 
UncleBob said:
So why the feck would you pretend transfers were vetoed and use it as an argument.
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Because it’s reasonable to assume that after losing 8 players in the window that we would be looking to bring some in. The only reason we didn’t was seemingly the interim manager. Simple.
 
He should send Jesse, Pogba, Cavani, Mata, and Jones on a holiday for the rest of the season. There is no point playing them since they will be leaving in June. Instead, he should give time to academy and U23 players.
 
Redfrog said:
I honestly think we would have been better off with Carrick.

I don’t see the point in bringing a « system coach » who haven’t been a coach for a long long time and was freezing in Russia, for a 6 months job to save the season. It doesn’t make sense. The « new board » seems as clueless as the old one.
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Carrick has no experience as a manager. This is nothing more than deluding yourself into believing another option would be better because there's no way of proving the contrary. It's no different to that thread saying letting Martial go on loan has cost us top 4
 
When he first come in I was excited , someone out of left field who wouldn't take fools gladly....how wrong was I.

Continually plays woefully out of form players, barring Elanga he hasn't experimented or tried to change it up. We all know this team is rotten to the core, Dean Gea & Varane and possibly Fernandes are the only ones who should be in the first team. Sancho....I dont see it, I think he's another one we massively over paid for when at best he should join Fred and Lindeloff as squad players, aside from a smattering of the youngsters - the rest need shipping out badly.

No more stupid long, over inflated contracts

No more paying over the odds for promising youngsters we will hardly ever play and end up selling them to Cadiz or Valladolid for £500k 3 years later

No more accepting mediocrity as an acceptable level for this club, we are a long way off being top but let's at least be competitive.

No more signing and then trying to keep players for purely commercial aspects, plenty of other inventory to cover that side of things
 
sullydnl said:
What other top clubs are run that way? It would be a backwards step relative to the way all the other elite clubs handle their recruitment.

Edit: assuming you mean them having full control over transfer as managers.
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I agree with you but when Jose had Ed feckin Woodward making calls... I'd back Jose all day over Woodward interfering or making decisions. Even today Rangnick is saying he's hardly being consulted on players or who the manager is going to be next season.

This is all a disgrace and it proves those in charge at the moment are incompetent.

Man City and Liverpool in England operate with sporting directors, even Chelsea. They're all doing better than we are in recruiting managers and players. They're picking managers which suit their strategy and backing them in the market with signing players that suit the chosen system of the manager.

We're not doing the basics.
 
Berbaclass said:
Because it’s reasonable to assume that after losing 8 players in the window that we would be looking to bring some in. The only reason we didn’t was seemingly the interim manager. Simple.
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Pretty bloody obvious that the board/owners were not going to sanction any new players until a new manager is appointed and can have their input.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
You can't just introduce pressing at the snap of your fingers. It takes time and practice to get it perfect. If we do get ETH and his coaching methods it will definitely sort the players with footballing intelligence and the men from the boys.
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I seem to remember Ole changing our approach when he came in and we went on a 13 game unbeaten run to start off his tenure. Ralf’s had 4+ months to get his shit together. Instead of heading off to Barbados, shouldn’t he have been figuring out how to beat Leicester? Training the players that were here? Working with the reserves? Trying to rescue Rashford?

I just can’t see how there are those in the Caf who are giving him a pass…
 
Redfrog said:
Still, my point stand. We needed someone capable of getting results and motivating the players, not a consultant who have not been a coach for a long time.
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If playing for Manchester United and going out and giving your all is not motivation enough, I really don't know what is. Motivation come from inside. If you don't have fire in your belly nobody can give it to you.
 
DSG said:
I seem to remember Ole changing our approach when he came in and we went on a 13 game unbeaten run to start off his tenure. Ralf’s had 4+ months to get his shit together. Instead of heading off to Barbados, shouldn’t he have been figuring out how to beat Leicester? Training the players that were here? Working with the reserves? Trying to rescue Rashford?

I just can’t see how there are those in the Caf who are giving him a pass…
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Counter attacking and imposing a disciplined counter pressing structure are two very different things.
 
Redfrog said:
Still, my point stand. We needed someone capable of getting results and motivating the players, not a consultant who have not been a coach for a long time.
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Then who you have in mind?

For interim role, there was little to no option. It would force us to appointing a permanent manager then., if we're too reault oriented.
 
Berbaclass said:
Because it’s reasonable to assume that after losing 8 players in the window that we would be looking to bring some in. The only reason we didn’t was seemingly the interim manager. Simple.
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Yes, 8 players. We‘ve sure as feck missed Kovar and Hoogewerf, or Tuanzebe who was already on loan at Villa but changed clubs and so on. The only two actual first team players out of those 8 were Beek and Martial, which pretty much says it all as neither of them were ever involved anyway.

We didn’t need to replace any of the outgoing players, it’s a nonsensical argument.

Either we had transfers lined up that were vetoed or we didn’t, and there’s extremely little that suggests we did.
 
UncleBob said:
Yes, 8 players. We‘ve sure as feck missed Kovar and Hoogewerf, or Tuanzebe who was already on loan at Villa but changed clubs and so on. The only two actual first team players out of those 8 were Beek and Martial, which pretty much says it all as neither of them were ever involved anyway.

We didn’t need to replace any of the outgoing players, it’s a nonsensical argument.

Either we had transfers lined up that were vetoed or we didn’t, and there’s extremely little that suggests we did.
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Greenwood?
 
DSG said:
Please explain to me how Ole was able to deliver 2nd place I the table with arguably an inferior squad, yet Ralf has performed worse than Ole? If it’s the players and only the players, then surely we’d have finished 6th last season, no?

How is heading off to Barbados to enjoy a cricket match after losing 4-1 in a derby and to Atletico setting a positive example and instilling a culture of winning?

You and the rest of the Ralf fan boys need to take the L and take a break from the Caf for a few days. You’re having a ‘mare mate.
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That's easy. Ole got sacked with this squad.

Plus it's not even the same squad, it's a weaker version of the one he got sacked with. No Martial, Greenwood and Cavani.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Carrick has no experience as a manager. This is nothing more than deluding yourself into believing another option would be better because there's no way of proving the contrary. It's no different to that thread saying letting Martial go on loan has cost us top 4
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We played with a plan the few games Carrick was the coach. I only see a disjoncted team right now.
If it’s deluded, then to think it could have not been better then what we have now is deluded as well as there is no way to prove it either. So what’s your point ? Do you think Rangnick is a good coach ?
We haven’t even had a new manager effect… but we had immediate results with Carrick.
 
Berbaclass said:
Counter attacking and imposing a disciplined counter pressing structure are two very different things.
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Ok, I’ll play.

He’s incompetent for trying to install a counter press knowing that the counter press will take 6 months or more to install.

Or

He’s incompetent for not realizing that we don’t have the players for the counter press.

Or

He’s incompetent for not realizing we are a counterattacking team and that gives us the best chance to reach top 4.
 
Berbaclass said:
Realistically which manager in world football that was available could have come in an turned us around in such a short period of time?
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In hindsight, Conte for six months would've been the best way to turn us around and get a respectable finish. Then if there are disagreements over summer transfers bin him. But the board wanted to play the long game and get one of ETH or Poch in, and tried to get clever by getting this guy in to provide some sort of foundation. Or maybe they fell for his smooth talking, which Levy saw through.
 
Tavern in the town said:
It should’ve been obvious that the Lokomotiv Moscow director of football who’s managed one top flight season in the last decade and managed a total of zero big clubs in his entire career would have been a bad appointment. Baffling how this is how we followed up appointing the ex Molde and Cardiff manager, they have to be the 2 strangest managerial appointments ever.
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Hoodwinked everyone because he had a couple of YT videos talking like he knew his stuff.
Bizzare appointment I have been banging on about it for months. Yes, its hard for an interim to turn the season around but we didn't even have a proper go
 
mu4c_20le said:
In hindsight, Conte for six months would've been the best way to turn us around and get a respectable finish. Then if there are disagreements over summer transfers bin him. But the board wanted to play the long game and get one of ETH or Poch in, and tried to get clever by getting this guy in to provide some sort of foundation. Or maybe they fell for his smooth talking, which Levy saw through.
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Wouldn’t have agreed to 6 months.
 
Greck said:
That's easy. Ole got sacked with this squad.

Plus it's not even the same squad, it's a weaker version of the one he got sacked with. No Martial, Greenwood and Cavani.
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But with Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. Martial has been dreadful for 18 months… he’s the reason Ralf has underperformed? That’s a laugh.
 
DSG said:
I seem to remember Ole changing our approach when he came in and we went on a 13 game unbeaten run to start off his tenure. Ralf’s had 4+ months to get his shit together. Instead of heading off to Barbados, shouldn’t he have been figuring out how to beat Leicester? Training the players that were here? Working with the reserves? Trying to rescue Rashford?

I just can’t see how there are those in the Caf who are giving him a pass…
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He is like the players. He pocketed his check, the season is over. He doesn’t give a sh*t and Barbados are nice.
 
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