The Dalot's follow up is from difficult angle so the xG probably not high. However, we had plenty chances that had higher xG than their goal.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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The Dalot's follow up is from difficult angle so the xG probably not high. However, we had plenty chances that had higher xG than their goal.
First half performance was decent imo. We created good chances like the Ronaldo sitter and the other where Sancho could've passed to Ronaldo or Rashford but decided to go alone which was the wrong decision. It was the second half when we went to shit and that seems to be a running theme. We could've been 2-0 up at halftime and we probably would've still threw it away. Maguire was fortunate to not give away a pen at the end.
I also am surprised Mejbri hasn't been given time. I thought he had a reputation of giving youngsters game time?
No one said DM, we are terrible at controlling and dictating games.
I am disappointed with him. He is not to know that Ronaldo is going to play like a granddad and that Rashford is a prima donna. But having experienced it day in and day out, he should have brought changes to his side. yes DVB and Martial wanted to go on loan. Greenwood is unavailable and he does not have much choice but as SAF would have done, then things do not work out then bring changes. Play Bruno as a false nine and play Hannibal in midfield and let him run at the defence. Drop Rashford and bring in Elanga and drop Ronaldo to the bench.
That's the thing isn't it. Benzema did all the donkey work for him, here it is every man for himself.
That's where Xg gets a bit daft though. You can't tell me Adams goal was a better chance then the Maguire shot... It was a one vs one and he had time to set himself. Maguire could only just snap at the opportunity.
The Adams goal is 0.10 xg, which is weirdly low. If we had that chance and missed we'd be lamenting it as another really bad miss.
Thought the lad who blazed over the bar on the right side of the box when he had bags of time was also a better chance.
The only sober comment in this volatile thread.
It's evident that the main issue with United now is fitness issue. Sustaining the pressure the whole 90 minutes
The main issue with Ole was players started games with a "cheap" mentality.
S'ton manager already said it, that us sustaining the pressure 90 minutes is the problem. In that, second half we tire.
Even Ralf already said it, without a pre season coaching a high pressing game is a huge task.
People should chill out.
Yes Ralf as a manager should know the players to implement his ideas on the pitch.
Should some players be binned, yes of course. But remember also the decision have to be made in flesh, as in, live as we move forward, so some mistakes along the way shall happen but the blueprint is there.
I'm extremely happy with how we are.
Fundamentally this is the best shot we have to grow as a team. If we fail to grow from all this then we are dead as a club.
If I'm to decide, I know it's not in me, but Ralf till 2023 Dec could be a very good venture.
All unfit/unwanted/unmotivated/ players who can not hold their nerve when it matters most shall be out of the club.
Binning Maguire, shaw, Fred, Ronaldo, cavani, JLing, and all other players not deemed vital to our team will take time, or we can as well send everybody home we start with under 18 but till then we shall have to endure and stomach such player pain.
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In fairness that's because most goalkeepers engage the striker somewhat and then actually try to save the shot rather than half heartedly throw a leg at the ball. No way that should have been scored so 0.1 is probably fair.
No, it's not even a bit daft at all. Adams's goal was from difficult angle, which something not many footballers can be expected to score from there (in fact to simplify it how difficult it was to score from there that his shot even hit the post first aka off target before it went in), while Maguire shot was right in front of the goal, that's something footballers should score from there in comparison to Adams's goal. And yes, I can tell you that.
Ronaldo/Rashford should be replaced by Elanga/ Lingard in top games
One of the best posts I've seen on here.
Ronaldo should only play against deep defensive teams and cl (Jesse should have come in at half-time) he would have given us legs to prevent the goal.
Rashford should be impact sub till he's wiling to work hard (Elanga is much better) and
Hannibal is much better than McTominay (he's so slow even his NT plays him as a CB)
Ralf is coaching himself out of a job continuously picking Maguire over lindeleof.
A great review of the early formation and tactics used by Ralf, what went wrong etc. Indirectly also explains why Man City spent 200m pounds on full backs in one season.
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Seeing how critical people are of RR, while being one of those that sees clear progress and thinking it’s just a matter of time before it clicks and we start finishing chances, makes me realise what those supporting Ole for his last year were feeling when we were criticising him.
I really do feel bad for him, since it’s obvious to me that he’s implementing something and the players are letting him down. The January window was a great opportunity for the club to really show that they trusted him long term and that his vision would align with the next manager’s vision. Instead, we just got rid of a bunch of players without adding anyone and we’ll likely miss out on top four this season. That’ll make it a much more gruelling task to rebuild in the summer and will lead to us again having to overpay in terms of wages and have an untenable wage structure with mid-tier players being on top-tier wages.
I really do feel bad for him, since it’s obvious to me that he’s implementing something and the players are letting him down. The January window was a great opportunity for the club to really show that they trusted him long term and that his vision would align with the next manager’s vision. Instead, we just got rid of a bunch of players without adding anyone and we’ll likely miss out on top four this season. That’ll make it a much more gruelling task to rebuild in the summer and will lead to us again having to overpay in terms of wages and have an untenable wage structure with mid-tier players being on top-tier wages.
It's really funny how earlier in the season Maguire, almost single-handedly, destroyed Ole's coaching career, and now, in the same season, he is busy doing the same to Rangnick, and both managers insist on playing the 'captain' regardless.
I mean Bailly and Lindelof are/have been injured.
Lindelof isn't fully fit. Quite sure, he will be benched when we have him back.
Have you ever thought about a scenario that Ronaldo should always play due to some reasons? It can be in his contract or it can be an agreement or its coming from owners. I refuse to believe the notion that Ralf doesn't want to bench him.
I don't think, bar a few exceptions at the start that our performances have been Terrible as the results seem. We have been creating some pretty big chances every game recently. We assert more control in games but fitness is a huge issue. Cr7 hasn't worked. His speed of thought and sharpness just isn't there and I feel he's slowing the team down. Then comes maguire who lacks the urgency and ability to motivate the team.
This season just needs to end. It's the worst season for me since fergie. Too many shenanigans on and off the pitch. Should we fail with getting ucl football we need to focus on upcoming players with bags of potential and good mental ability. A desire to improve. You'd be amazed at how a decent coach can build a good chemistry with average players on the training field. This combined with better united players and recruitment is what I'm hoping for with the next manager. As for ralf, he needs to move upstairs and focus on this recruitment.
This season just needs to end. It's the worst season for me since fergie. Too many shenanigans on and off the pitch. Should we fail with getting ucl football we need to focus on upcoming players with bags of potential and good mental ability. A desire to improve. You'd be amazed at how a decent coach can build a good chemistry with average players on the training field. This combined with better united players and recruitment is what I'm hoping for with the next manager. As for ralf, he needs to move upstairs and focus on this recruitment.
There is Phil Jones too. Why can't he be persisted with?
You know why
Yes, it is Ralf's fault
Well he did choose to play Ronaldo. This argument was used every time a player made a mistake under Ole, lets see some consistency in the discussion.
This. It really makes me wonder what his team talks are like, seeing as we're always so flat in the second half regardless of whether we're ahead or needing to chase the game.
Agreed.
Anyone with even a smallest amount of football knowledge would absolutely see how horrible and how big a problem he's been for the team to function properly especially the pressing system. Let alone someone who is knew for his football knowledge and a pressing style.
Ralf was brought there to help us secure a top4 finish before he takes on his role as a consultant. That is the plan.
I suppose a argument has to be made: Should Ralf force the players to play a system they are unable to right now, with the short time he has with the squad?
Its all fine and merry that he wants them to play a certain way, but if they cant, why are we?
I certainly dont have the answer to what we should be doing differently, but it seems a good discussion to have if this tweet is true:
Who is responsible for the forwards lack of offensive output recently? Just the players? That would seem reasonable, they are the ones playing the match after all.
We got 14 games left on the season and a repeat of the line of games that saw Ole fired coming up. If they cant score goals and keep conceding these defensive-blunder goals, we are not going to maky any type of tournament next year.
That Ralf needs time to implement his system is more than reasonable. Ralf however does not have time to implement his system. He needs to bring results, immediately. There is no squad building, transfer window or patience for Ralf. Its results immediately while the club finds the next permanent manager.
I suppose a argument has to be made: Should Ralf force the players to play a system they are unable to right now, with the short time he has with the squad?
Its all fine and merry that he wants them to play a certain way, but if they cant, why are we?
I certainly dont have the answer to what we should be doing differently, but it seems a good discussion to have if this tweet is true:
Who is responsible for the forwards lack of offensive output recently? Just the players? That would seem reasonable, they are the ones playing the match after all.
We got 14 games left on the season and a repeat of the line of games that saw Ole fired coming up. If they cant score goals and keep conceding these defensive-blunder goals, we are not going to maky any type of tournament next year.
That Ralf needs time to implement his system is more than reasonable. Ralf however does not have time to implement his system. He needs to bring results, immediately. There is no squad building, transfer window or patience for Ralf. Its results immediately while the club finds the next permanent manager.
I was happy when we appointed him, and still am. But I hoped he had enough courage to see we have a carthorse of a captain and center back. He needs to be dropped and we need to develop the duo Varane and Lindelof
Because we spent the last three years watching them being cuddled and it got us nowhere. We saw their ceiling and it's not impressive. We're not like Real Madrid or Chelsea, where the players force their managers out and then go on to win Champion League titles. And Rangick is supposed to assess the squad and help the next guy make the right decisions regarding the current players and any potential targets. You'd like to think that the club has decided that the philosophy RR brings to the table should be the basis for our first team.
And it's quite the thing watching the staunch Solskjaer supporters, like yourself, asking these questions. Solskjaer came to OT promising exactly the same things: To modernize our game by applying pressing tactics and to fix our fitness levels, which were rock bottom under Mourinho. Then, for whatever reasons, he decided to start pandering to the players and to abandon all these ideas. And where did it get us? Winning the square root of feck all in the last three years. But yeah, why oh why, don't we get someone to make the players feel comfortable again?
By the way, were you feeling the same when Solskjaer crashed out of the top-four in his first half-season?
Im more than happy to discuss my comment, not this "whatabout" that is just a circular discussion.
Im not even criticizing Ragnick. Im trying to discuss what the interim manager should be doing over the next 14 games to get us to top4, and if a brand new system we are allegedly not able to play is the right way to do it.
Ole said he was going to make them the fittest side in the PL. That didn't last long. He should have just told them they have to be the fittest side in the league and anybody who did not meet those expectations will be gone.
I don't know didn't he have a period with getting a tune out of quite an old and paceless Raul at Schalke? Think it might have been a factor in hiring him.
There's nothing "whatabout" about my post. If we are to believe the information coming from the board, RR is here because the guy we want wasn't available in late November. He's here to implement the fundamentals of a football style so that the next guy will not have to start from square one. This means that we're willing to take the risks this entails, even if it means missing out on top-four.
You want someone who will take the best out of the current squad. I told you we tried that during the last three years, and it got us back to the place where Mourinho left us.
And i'll ask again why the change of heart? For the most part of his tenure, Solskjaer was talking about a better future while having very little to show for it. Toward the end of his second full season, the man himself admitted that "we are not even discussing challenging for the title". But you never posed these questions, you never asked results right here and right now of him.
Yeah disappointed Jesse is still getting the call over Hannibal, no doubt who is the hungrier player
If you dont see the bigger picter that is shown to us over the past 3 years, cant help you mate
Shearer has written a very poor article in Athletic...
But he has said something that even Cafe has never highlighted..
That we are a club of Interims Technical Caretaker's
From Ole, Carrick to Ralf, all are Interims in their own ways, hugely a scathing assessment.
Very negative indictment
It’s astonishing when you think about it. Manchester United, arguably the biggest club in the world, have an interim manager in place, one who has spent only two of the last 11 years in a coaching role. So they have a technical director as an interim, who is being assisted on the touchline by Darren Fletcher, who is a first-time technical director. Before that, it was Carrick for a couple of games. Before him, it was Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who originally took over as caretaker. Interim technical caretakers.
But he has said something that even Cafe has never highlighted..
That we are a club of Interims Technical Caretaker's
From Ole, Carrick to Ralf, all are Interims in their own ways, hugely a scathing assessment.
Very negative indictment
It’s astonishing when you think about it. Manchester United, arguably the biggest club in the world, have an interim manager in place, one who has spent only two of the last 11 years in a coaching role. So they have a technical director as an interim, who is being assisted on the touchline by Darren Fletcher, who is a first-time technical director. Before that, it was Carrick for a couple of games. Before him, it was Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who originally took over as caretaker. Interim technical caretakers.
So, if Rangnick fails to implement a pressing system and we move on to another manager, what does that tell you?
And what if the next manager fails too and has to buy a whole bunch of new players that do press?
Shearer literally stole that from Scholes, the plagiarizing cnut.
It will tell me that there's still plenty of work to be done, if the club is serious about following this new path. And the proper manager (as in, not interim), whose job will be to build upon this basis, will be able to discuss our strengths and weaknesses with a like-minded DoF/consultant who will have already managed the team in order to avoid the mistakes we see now and speed up the process.
If Rangnick didn't have his limitations as a first team coach, he would have enjoyed a richer managerial career. We knew that when we approached him, and my guess is, so did Chelsea when they enquired about him. His main strengths lie elsewhere, and i (want to) believe that this is the reason why picked him instead of Conte. Because we didn't want the immediate results with the counter-attacking football, but to modernize the first team.
Will it work? I don't know. What i do know though is that United are in desperate need of a new playing philosophy and that this particular squad's ceiling (top-four, no challenge) doesn't justify this "protect the assets" policy and a manager pandering to them. And if we're going to fail again, let us fail, for once, by actually trying to play a style of football similar to the clubs that dominate in this era.
My post you initially quoted was me talking about the last 3 games. The midfield has not stopped us from winning those games. You firstly stated that we could use VDB. I said that even if he was still at the club, he would be on the bench. Would you play VDB over Pogba? Pogba has probably been our best player since he returned from injury. VDB is going to play as one of the #8's. You're benching Pogba or Bruno to play him. He is not going to start as our #6.
If you want to talk about past years, that is a different story. I still believe that the issues under Ole were far bigger than just the midfield. We threw a bunch of forwards on the pitch and pushed the whole team into the oppositions half. Only half of the team were helping to defend. The midfield were given an almost impossible job.
When it comes to VDB, we've had 3 managers now that haven't picked him. There is a reason why that is. I don't know what the reason is, but I'm struggling to see why multiple different managers would intentionally hamstring themselves by not picking the supposed best option in midfield.
Five new players @ £30m each, easily doable.
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