We will never witness a luckier manager than ole in our lifetime again.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Good stuff, thanks!
Could well be the case. Not sure about Ralf as a manager, but having him in a role that focuses on overall management of football affairs would be great.
Yes. We are doing very good. Leave the people who like complaining, continue complaining. Even non United fans can see the change in our play.
3 issues one can see, ranked in order of effect...
1. Fitness
2. Player nervousness, due to change of playing style, demands, outspoken manager. This is causing the clear misses.
3. Personnel deficiency, we need new players in midfield and pressing striker.
I'd add that some players need dropping, mainly Ronaldo and especially Maguire. Agree about the rest.
Not usually a massive fan of these type of stats, but that tallies very well with what we've been seeing on the pitch.
We were making every dogshit team that rocked up to OT look like Real Madrid for most of the season. What we've been seeing lately; outplaying sides, making plenty of chances, and fecking them up is a massive and obvious stride in the right direction. Hopefully the board can see that and we don't lurch in a completely different direction again with the next appointment because the results still aren't great.
Those stats are meaningless without the proper context.
Ralph has only played 2 top half sides in his 9 matches and 3 of those were against teams in the bottom 3 (Burnley x2 & Norwich).
The points total and the performances have been poor so far given the fixtures.
FFS it's Ralf, not Ralph.
How is it even possible to screw up a four letter name?
Still think we play much better football under him than under Ole. For parts at least. Don't know if it's a fitness or a mental issue of our players that they can't do it for 90 mins
I feel the same way. I think it’s partly due to the reliance on aging Ronaldo and Cavani as the centre forwards, as well as Ralf trying to unwind 3 years of Solskjaer. Ralfs probably making them work as hard as Klopp, Tuchel and Guardiola do for their teams, causing the players to get a shock to the system and the reason why we look gassed after the hour mark of a game, despite looking fairly exciting in the first half particularly.
You will realise in life that its better to be lucky than clever.
Probably because I was reading about Ralph's comments after the game.
It doesn't detract from my point that Ralf has had an incredibly favourable fixture list.
I'm really not sure he's improved much since the Carrick performances against Villareal, Arsenal and Chelsea but I guess we'll find out when we start to play better teams.
And I'm sure he'll have full creative control over the squad but he can't expect to be involved in the general running of the club also, which is what the other names mentioned do. Where results are concerned the others seem to be very good at running all things except the football side so it's best that everyone does what they're best at.
Someone watched Deadpool 2
The sample sizes aren't really comparable, that's true. I'd still expect Rangnick's record to be better if only matches against teams both managers played against were considered. But I've got no time for that right now
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Do other clubs have these deputy director of football roles, or is the workload only too big at United?
Sounds to me like we want Rangnick as the de facto DoF without Murtough losing his title, which I would be all for.
Sounds to me like we want Rangnick as the de facto DoF without Murtough losing his title, which I would be all for.
There's loads of positions like that in other clubs. Bayern for example have a DoF who has since risen to sporting executive in Salihamidzic and now on top appointed a Technical Director (responsible for squad planning too) in Neppe. In earlier times that position was held by Reschke, under Sammer. The job titles are sometimes confusing and refer to differing job descriptions, though, no need to get hung up on them.
If the position of deputy DoF is created is surely will NOT be Rangnick. Rangnick will be consultant, pretty sure he's not going to enter the actual hierarchy, below Murtough. Why would any of the two do that to themselves.
In essence yes, might however be called different in every club, as structures may vary. But examples from the top of my mind would be (all Bundesliga clubs)
Wolfsburg: Schmadtke, Schäfer
Hertha Berlin: Bobic, Dufner
Dortmund: Zorc, Kehl
Köln: Jakobs, Kessler
Frankfurt: Krösche, Manga
An example for a club that didn't have this job sharing would be Gladbach where Max Eberl just resigned due to burnout, so the workload issue is definitely there.
Edit: in many cases (Schäfer, Kessler, Kehl) the deputy DoF is an ex-player, who moves this way slowly upwards in the hierarchy. It apparently helps to have good relations to the players and thus be a link between squad and board in that position.
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Indeed, ole lucked himself into tens of millions.
No. Its my mum's saying and I am pretty sure that she hasn't watched Deadpool.
Plot twist: @sglowrider 's mum is Deadpool
I mean he has been trying to get a group of players that don't like working hard or playing with intensity to do the complete opposite to what they were used to, so it was always going to be difficult in six months.
There's only been very small steps of progress and we're probably not gonna end up top four at this point but yeah, this isn't a Rangnick problem.
There's only been very small steps of progress and we're probably not gonna end up top four at this point but yeah, this isn't a Rangnick problem.
Cheers for the info. But wouldn’t Fletcher be the second guy in those setups?
I think you are right, mostly. There are some signs of moving in the right direction and for the first time in a few years adopting a defined style of play. It's something that takes years to get right and months to even start getting benefits from. I didn't expect miracles from a manager with an average coaching CV but as long as he makes sure his replacement follows the same principles he does, we will be alright.
The fourth issue is we have some players actively damaging our progress by leaking stories to the press and undermining the team. They need weeding out asap.
Probably, yes. But as I said, the titles are often used interchangeably for slightly or very different roles in different setups, with varying scope of responsibility. There's also of course Matt Judge, "director of football negotiations"..
I think fans need to be careful what they wish for. This team was not really coached properly, now we are asking players to press the ball. There has been a massive issue between attack and defence in the last 18 months.
We have players in our team (Rashford) who do not like to defend, even opposition managers have worked on this. It is no surprise both goals conceded in the last 2 games have come from Rashford side.
The Southampton goal, came from their keeper, Rashford was in the middle of nowhere, Dalot then was dragged, Pogba and McTominay did not mark their man.
Our attacking play has improved, we will continue to improve if we can defend as a team. That is our biggest problem at the moment, we cannot defend as a team.
Just an opinion of Stefan Bienkowski who usually covers the Bundesliga for English media outlets
It’s very clear to me that the squad is very disappointed with Ralf & Armas.
Some on the Caf will blame the players, say that they are spoiled, etc. For sure, players can be selfish, they can sulk, etc. But when you have manager that is crap, and everyone knows it, it completely deflates the squad and you start losing matches and points where you shouldn’t. We are seeing this play out in front of our very eyes.
On one hand, we have the players with a total trophy haul of literally hundreds of major trophies and individual honors. On the other, we have Ralf, who has won ONE major trophy as a manager the DFB Pokal cup with Shalke in 2011. Chris Armas has won a cup competition in the MLS. They better have their shit together in training and video analysis, because if they don’t, the players are going to laugh at them. These players have played for some of the best managers in the world and they can sniff an imposter from a mile away.
It's funny how emanager seems to think the players aren't fit enough to play their style of play. Ole said the same thing of Jose's players of the personnel he inherited.
And it's very clear to me that game by game, more and more fans are becoming very disappointed with the players. Feck them.
What did they think of Ole? Also, most of this team have been nowhere near a major trophy
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‘Ronaldo is one of the most decorated footballers of all time. Varane? Pogba? De Gea has won titles with us. Lindelof won 3 Liga titles at Benfica. Cavani won 6 Ligue 1 titles. Telles two Ligas, Matic with two titles, Mata, a CL, two Europas, a World Cup, a Euro…. The list goes on and on.
I think there was a lot of respect for what Ole achieved as a player. I think in the end, when he couldn’t solve the problems we were having, they knew it was time for him to go.
We have exactly five players with actual major trophies (Ronaldo, Varane, Pogba, de Gea, Mata), the rest is an underachieving mess of pseudo-achievers.
The funny thing is Ole said this, had us starting to work really hard and then slowly slowly we drifted back to being the least hard working side in the league by the time he was gone.
Back up the bus. Ole never won major trophies as a manager, but they were are very defiant team as they came back from goal deficits many times over. It was a record for a while and had an unbeaten league away streak.
The players think they know best and just shows they don't have enough respect nor professionalism. The squad is also at fault for underperforming as individuals and as a group. The ways of Ralf is modern, but he's still talking about decision making and defensive transition/shape when the ball is lost, the same shit that has been plaguing United for years.
That’s the thing though. The report was that training wasn’t modern enough, that Armas was running the sessions and it was a lot of 11v11 rather than training that keeps them sharp, I.e. finishing.
There were suggestions that the team wasn’t putting out full effort in the games. I thought our work rate was pretty good, maybe others disagree. To me, guys like Varane, Ronaldo, Cavani, Mata, Matic and Bruno seem to be ultra professional. Pogba and Shaw have had issues in the past. Maybe Pogba?
Look, Ralf was brought in and since then, once a week the media is reporting dressing room issues. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. It seems that people in the Caf believe that players should just shut up and what the coaches tell them to do without any input. But these are players that have played for legendary managers. That’s a pretty high bar for Ralf and Armas to clear in my opinion.
I thought it was a decent idea bringing him in especially in his advisory role but the more I see things unfold the more I believe we have thrown away our chance of CL qualification. Perhaps it would be better to just get in Ralf for the advisory role with immediate effect and bring in a sheer motivator as interim manager.
It was obvious all along with the way he wants to play that it won't work because for one it takes a long time before things start to click, 6 months is nothing but also the fact that we don't have the personell that suits that system. We were damned before it even started. We most likely won't finish top 4 as he has already dropped 11 points during our absolute easiest run.
Things would be much different if we would have won most of these games but I am certain come the end of the season these 11 dropped points will be the difference.
It was obvious all along with the way he wants to play that it won't work because for one it takes a long time before things start to click, 6 months is nothing but also the fact that we don't have the personell that suits that system. We were damned before it even started. We most likely won't finish top 4 as he has already dropped 11 points during our absolute easiest run.
Things would be much different if we would have won most of these games but I am certain come the end of the season these 11 dropped points will be the difference.
Middlesborough, burnley and Southampton, thats not a particularly high bar and the players didn't get off the effin ground.
Agreed. Is that an issue with the players only, with the manager only or both? I think that both the players and the coaching staff should be accountable.
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