Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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glad this got done. young, fast, fearless, scrappy. even with his injury history he's probably the least concerning of our back four purely in defensive terms. rio is old and vulnerable (and an injury concern in his own right), vidic is a complete question mark coming off a knee, and evra is just terrible.
 
glad this got done. young, fast, fearless, scrappy. even with his injury history he's probably the least concerning of our back four purely in defensive terms. rio is old and vulnerable (and an injury concern in his own right), vidic is a complete question mark coming off a knee, and evra is just terrible.

And don't forget our dodgy keeper...yet we still managed to keep the most clean sheets in the league last season(20)!
 
Had a couple of proper spastic moments last season but in general I dont really worry about him defensively anymore and he is certainly a big hope. Hope he nails down the 1st choice starter position next season and continues to improve.
 
I just want him to stay relatively injury free.

It'll be interesting to see how they both develop away from each other. I think splitting them up was done for both of their development. They're so tight-knit together.

I think doing so will end up being a stroke of genius.
 
Someone posted his stats toward the end of the season and Rafael's tackles per game and tackles won per game is insane.

Also his passing numbers and percentage for a RB are really good.

He is extrememly comfortable on the ball and has pace, and tenacity.

The positioning mistakes will be cut out. Fergie has faith, so should we.
 
Brazil have named Porto striker Hulk, Real Madrid full-back Marcelo and
AC Milan centre-back Thiago Silva as their three over-age players for
the London 2012 Olympics.

Manchester United defender Rafael and Tottenham midfielder Sandro have also been included by coach Mano Menezes in a strong-looking 18-man squad.

Twenty-five-year-old Hulk, who has scored three goals in 13 appearances for the senior side, was joined up front by Santos striker Neymar, AC Milan's Alexandre Pato and Internacional's Leandro Damiao.

Neymar, 20, whose club future has been the subject of almost constant speculation, has netted nine goals in 18 games for the senior team.

Brazil will be aiming to win their first Olympic football title and have been drawn in Group C along with Egypt, Belarus and New Zealand.

They play a warm-up friendly against Stuart Pearce's Great Britain side at Middlesbrough's Riverside Stadium on July 20.

Brazil squad: Rafael Cabral (Santos), Neto (Fiorentina); Alex Sandro (Porto), Marcelo (Real Madrid), Rafael (Manchester United), Danilo (Porto), Thiago Silva (AC Milan), Bruno Uvini (Sao Paulo), Juan (Inter Milan); Sandro (Tottenham), Romulo (Spartak Moscow), Paulo Henrique Ganso (Santos), Oscar (Internacional), Lucas Moura (Sao Paulo); Neymar (Santos), Leandro Damiao (International), Alexandre Pato (AC Milan), Hulk (Porto).

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...strong-brazil-squad-for-olympics-7919757.html
 
He won't get a game ahead of Danilo anyway

Dont really see why, Danilo is hugely talented too, but he has played for santos and then porto for 1 year, while rafael has starred for a top 3 club team in the world.

Raf is up there with the best of them attackingly and defensively, i dont see why they would choose him first?
 
If they win their group and the quarter final, and they should really do both, then they'll be playing in the Semi at Old Trafford.
 
Dont really see why, Danilo is hugely talented too, but he has played for santos and then porto for 1 year, while rafael has starred for a top 3 club team in the world.

Raf is up there with the best of them attackingly and defensively, i dont see why they would choose him first?

Rafa isn't up there with the best of them because otherwise he'd play more regularly for United and Brazil.He is talented but between acknowledging that and overrating him, the line is thin for some people
 
There seems to be some mysterious hype effect with Man Utd and their Brazilians. If Rafael and Anderson were Brits, one would be on the threshold and the other would be out the door by now.
 
He's nearly a year younger than the British Kieran Gibbs, a player who is widely regarded as Arsenal's (and perhaps even England's) once and future left back, and has achieved vastly more. If Rafa's 'on the threshold' where exactly is Gibbs?
 
He's nearly a year younger than the British Kieran Gibbs, a player who is widely regarded as Arsenal's (and perhaps even England's) once and future left back, and has achieved vastly more. If Rafa's 'on the threshold' where exactly is Gibbs?
In exactly the same place. Talented players who need to stay fit and learn how to defend properly.
 
There seems to be some mysterious hype effect with Man Utd and their Brazilians. If Rafael and Anderson were Brits, one would be on the threshold and the other would be out the door by now.

Perhaps on the Anderson front but Rafa is very far from being anywhere near the door. Since the day he arrived at Old Trafford he has been seen as one of our brightest prospects and he still is. Fact of the matter is that he was brilliant in the games he played last season aside from a couple of high profile feck ups that he made, sadly the press have a thing about Rafa being a liability and as such so do fans like yourself.

There are kinks to iron out in his makeup, namely concentration and complacency, thankfully these are attributes that are usually aquired with experience. The lad is 21 and I for one believe that he will go on to be one of the finest right backs in the world in years to come.
 
I foresee Anderson having a similar season to last year. Fairly promising start where he shows flashes of talent. A goal or two, couple of assists. Everyone rejoices 'yes! It's finally coming together.' He then gets a run out in the Carling Cup against Derby and he barely gets a touch and is overrun in midfield by some 35-year-old plodder. People say 'it's ok, just an off day'. Gets injured in training and is out for 2 months. Comes back slightly overweight. Gets a sub appearance against Swansea and he's class for 7 minutes when we're already 4-0 up. Everyone rejoices once more. He then gets injured again. Season comes to an end. Comes back to pre season training fatter than Oprah.
 
In exactly the same place. Talented players who need to stay fit and learn how to defend properly.

And yet Gibbs is similarly hyped, perhaps even moreso. That does rather undermine the whole "it's because he's Brazillian" reasoning, no?
 
There we go into hyperdrive again.

It's absolutelly not hyperdrive. At 18-19 years old he was that good as to play against Inter in Champions, to completely shy Ronaldinho and Bale. He has some injury problems and of course that he made some mistake but he's still young and no-one can deny that he's very talented. In 2010-2011 he was without a doubt the best right back in England until he had the injury against Blackpool. He can be one of the best right backs in the world.
 
And yet Gibbs is similarly hyped, perhaps even moreso. That does rather undermine the whole "it's because he's Brazillian" reasoning, no?
Gibbs isn't trumpeted as likely to be one of the best LBs in the world or even more hyperbolically 'the best LB in the PL' -that's the whole point. Neither is, say, Cleverly (one of the best midfielders in the world?) or even Welbeck (one of the best strikers in the world?). Gibson gets the bum's rush while Anderson is still touted.
 
Pete talking his usual crap about Rafael again.
 
Gibbs isn't trumpeted as likely to be one of the best LBs in the world or even more hyperbolically 'the best LB in the PL' -that's the whole point. Neither is, say, Cleverly (one of the best midfielders in the world?) or even Welbeck (one of the best strikers in the world?). Gibson gets the bum's rush while Anderson is still touted.

When Clichy left there were huge numbers of Arsenal fans claiming not to care because Gibbs was so certain to become a better player than the Frenchmen, and I don't doubt there were even a few who claimed he'd go on to become one of the best around. And all this despite him not having done a half as much as Rafael has. It's just fans being excited about young prospects, it's nothing to do with his nationality.

And Anderson is still touted because he's been intermittently brilliant, including in the very recent past.
 
You could probably leave out the 'about Rafael' from that sentence and it could go in any thread that Peter posts in.

He's got a good record with Rafael recently. He thinks the lad is only good enough for a midtable Spanish side.
 
Pete talking his usual crap about Rafael again.

You could probably leave out the 'about Rafael' from that sentence and it could go in any thread that Peter posts in.

Unfortunately your fellow supporters blow you out of the water again.

It's absolutelly not hyperdrive. At 18-19 years old he was that good as to play against Inter in Champions, to completely shy Ronaldinho and Bale. He has some injury problems and of course that he made some mistake but he's still young and no-one can deny that he's very talented. In 2010-2011 he was without a doubt the best right back in England until he had the injury against Blackpool. He can be one of the best right backs in the world.
 
Unfortunately your fellow supporters blow you out of the water again.

In fairness, Sir Alex also said Rafael can be one of the best in the world. In that respect, it's not hard to forgive fans for becoming a bit excited about his future prospects.

Personally I think he has all the attributes to be an exceptional player. He just has to mature and use his head a bit more, rather than diving in to challenges.
 
Unfortunately your fellow supporters blow you out of the water again.

I don't know what are you trying to say Peter. He was really good in 2010-2011. I remember after the game against Tottenham when he was sent off, all people in Caf were saying what are we going to do in the next game (despite the fact that we had Fabio, Neville, Brown and Oshea who could have played there). He had a run of injuries later, when he had a collision against Blackpool, then he injured his finger, then Drogba injured him and then he injured his shoulder. But he played against Inter in knockout system in 2009 as 18 years old and played very well. Played fantastic against Ronaldinho, against Bale and against Ribery when he was 19. Most of the posters in Caf agree that he was the second best player in the game against Bayern until he sent off. The potential is there, and when he was that good at 18 years old he can really become one of the best right backs in the world. of course that this is not a given, it will depend on his attitude, in his training and if he can stay injury free. But he has a good chance of being one of the best right backs in the world. FFS from 18 years old he was a regulat starter at United. In what clubs were Maicon and Alves when they were 18 (or even 21) years old?
 
Unfortunately your fellow supporters blow you out of the water again.

Not sure how evidencing one Utd supporter getting a bit carried away about a young player makes you seem any less of a trolling tool. :lol:

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself Peter.
 
That Brazil squad is exceptional for an Olympic team. Good to see them taking it seriously by using the likes of Thiago Silva, Hulk and Marcelo as well as the likes of Neymar, Pato, Lucas and Ganso who are already full internationals despite being under 23.
 
There seems to be some mysterious hype effect with Man Utd and their Brazilians. If Rafael and Anderson were Brits, one would be on the threshold and the other would be out the door by now.

Where did you get your tag line from?
 
If Valencia went in asking for the number seven shirt, I'd like Rafael to be doing the same for the number two shirt
 
There seems to be some mysterious hype effect with Man Utd and their Brazilians. If Rafael and Anderson were Brits, one would be on the threshold and the other would be out the door by now.

Where did you get your tag line from?

Heh, heh, good old peter storey. If Anderson was British he'd be more hyped than Jack Wilshere, who plays about as often.
 
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