Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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Sarni said:
We have money.
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Will Absolute said:
What did we use to buy Jones, Young and De Gea last year? Glass beads?
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Dear me. Are we really doing this? Fine I'll play along. We didn't have sufficient amounts of money to strengthen all areas required. I, like everyone else thought we were getting Sneijder last year, but reports started to emerge that he wanted too much money, or our offer to Inter wasn't high enough. We had already spent ~£50M on the likes of Jones, Young and De Gea.

Of course I'm sure you're wondering why a club with a revenue as high as Manchester United's could struggle financially. Well, this all stems from the 2005 takeover by the Glazer family. As they didn't have enough money at the time to purchase the club, they took a large loan out, knowing they could repay the loan because of how financially successful the club was, and is to this day. The Glazers continue to make interest payments alone on top of the original loan repayment using the massive annual turnover of Manchester United. But of course this results in less disposable income, meaning the club has to be more prudent in the transfer market.

I could go on but I'm fed up.
 
Liam147 said:
Dear me. Are we really doing this? Fine I'll play along. We didn't have sufficient amounts of money to strengthen all areas required. I, like everyone else thought we were getting Sneijder last year, but reports started to emerge that he wanted too much money, or our offer to Inter wasn't high enough. We had already spent ~£50M on the likes of Jones, Young and De Gea.

Of course I'm sure you're wondering why a club with a revenue as high as Manchester United's could struggle financially. Well, this all stems from the 2005 takeover by the Glazer family. As they didn't have enough money at the time to purchase the club, they took a large loan out, knowing they could repay the loan because of how financially successful the club was, and is to this day. The Glazers continue to make interest payments alone on top of the original loan repayment using the massive annual turnover of Manchester United. But of course this results in less disposable income, meaning the club has to be more prudent in the transfer market.

I could go on but I'm fed up.
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We didn't have enough money to strengthen all areas required, so we decided to spend the guts of £40M strengthening areas not required, and buy Jones and Young. Hmm.

In a couple of years United amassed £200M in it's bank account, which is undeniable proof that the club generates large surpluses, which could be made available for transfers.
 
At the start of the window. If I'm not mistaken Young was confirmed before the window opened? Jones came from nowhere and I maintain that Liverpool's interest was something to do with that. We needed a keeper.

Assuming we did amass £200M, as much of that as possible needs to go to paying off the debt. If Fergie/Gill told the board we desperately needed x amount of money, they'd get it. Obviously they didn't think Sneijder on top of everyone else was so necessary. If we'd won the league nobody would be mentioning the Glazers, but hindsight is 20/20. I didn't think we'd spend £50M, but with all the outgoings, we needed replacements. Whereas the club could buy without much thought or worry before, with the likes of Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bellion, Forlan etc, we have to be more prudent now. If ever we got bought out we could compete with City, but until then, we have to spend carefully. I don't think everybody is fully aware of the precarious position of our finances. Few managers could remain so competitive with so little money.
 
I said this in another thread:

Rafael actually had a really good season. Yes he was bad against Everton but that was a collective defensive collapse. Such a collapse goes down to the entire midfield, defense and keeper.

Rafael is actually great defensively. He wins a ridiculous amount of tackles and also puts in a ridiculous amount. He also plays with balls and drive - something that has been lacking from the squad this season.

His positioning in the box needs work and there's no doubt about that.

However, Rafael will go on to be one of the finest RB in the world by next year and his twin brother will be pushing Evra out of many games if he is healthy.

The Twins are seriously feckin good. If you can't see that, well your an idiot.

How can anyone not love them?
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I said this in another thread:

Rafael actually had a really good season. Yes he was bad against Everton but that was a collective defensive collapse. Such a collapse goes down to the entire midfield, defense and keeper.

Rafael is actually great defensively. He wins a ridiculous amount of tackles and also puts in a ridiculous amount. He also plays with balls and drive - something that has been lacking from the squad this season.

His positioning in the box needs work and there's no doubt about that.

However, Rafael will go on to be one of the finest RB in the world by next year and his twin brother will be pushing Evra out of many games if he is healthy.

The Twins are seriously feckin good. If you can't see that, well your an idiot.

How can anyone not love them?
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Rafa also has 4 Premier League assists. Ashley Cole having the most in the Premier League for a defender with 6 in three times as many games.

I have to admit that I am a Rafael fan boy too. In my eyes, along with De Gea he is the stand-out prospect coming through at the moment.

I feel that they both need to iron out some youthful mistakes in their game and then we will have two exceptional players.

I will have to reserve judgement on Fabio as I just don't feel as though we have seen enough of him.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I said this in another thread:

Rafael actually had a really good season. Yes he was bad against Everton but that was a collective defensive collapse. Such a collapse goes down to the entire midfield, defense and keeper.

Rafael is actually great defensively. He wins a ridiculous amount of tackles and also puts in a ridiculous amount. He also plays with balls and drive - something that has been lacking from the squad this season.

His positioning in the box needs work and there's no doubt about that.

However, Rafael will go on to be one of the finest RB in the world by next year and his twin brother will be pushing Evra out of many games if he is healthy.

The Twins are seriously feckin good. If you can't see that, well your an idiot.

How can anyone not love them?
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I think your love for them is clouding your judgement! Rafa is patchy at defending and good going forward should become a handy player but worlds best no way imo, Fabio isn't good enough at left back for a few games never mind replacing Evra.
 
Great offensively is our Rafael. Having Jones on RB lately really made me realise how good his crossing is for a full back. Rafael is miles ahead of our other full backs in that department, and its no surprise to see that he has 4 assists in a smallish amount of games, which is a great return for a player in his position.

His defensive work is still very sloppy though. He does tackle well, but as always, if you notice that a player is a great tackler, that is very often down to shabby positioning. This is very much so the case with Rafael, who is prone to being pulled out of position, doubling up on a man that is already marked, or having concentration lapses that makes him lose his man. He needs to work on these issues to be even close to being regarded as "one of the world's finest". He is a very good prospect though, certainly the defensive player Im most excited about out of our youngsters.
 
Brosstan said:
Great offensively is our Rafael. Having Jones on RB lately really made me realise how good his crossing is for a full back. Rafael is miles ahead of our other full backs in that department, and its no surprise to see that he has 4 assists in a smallish amount of games, which is a great return for a player in his position.

His defensive work is still very sloppy though. He does tackle well, but as always, if you notice that a player is a great tackler, that is very often down to shabby positioning. This is very much so the case with Rafael, who is prone to being pulled out of position, doubling up on a man that is already marked, or having concentration lapses that makes him lose his man. He needs to work on these issues to be even close to being regarded as "one of the world's finest". He is a very good prospect though, certainly the defensive player Im most excited about out of our youngsters.
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Agree with the rest but that point is just not true.
 
I've always defended young Rafael but he was shit against Everton and cost us that game, period. He was caught ball watching too many times, he had a mare really. His defending was terrible and that's why he has been dropped.
 
Makki said:
...which shouldn't have been a corner. Don't think we can blame Phil Jones for being right in appealing for the goal kick that he should've had and Wigan taking the opportunity to play it quick while everybody else was asleep too (especially Rooney) .
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and we certainly can't blame Rafael who wasn't playing

Well Jones possibly should have been more awake for the corner too

BTW i also feel our attacking dynamic v Wigan was adversely affected by not having Rafael there

Him and Valencia pair well going forward and Valencia was lacking that night
 
Cole9 said:
:lol: Best joke I've heard this week.
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Yes he has made some bad positioning mistakes.

But he has kept some great wingers in his pocket - Bale and Ribery come to mind.

It's not like he get skinned by tricky winners. Actually he hardly ever does and puts in an insane amount of tackles.

His positioning in the box is what needs improvement but you can also say that about Evra, Evans, Jones and Smalling.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Yes he has made some bad positioning mistakes.

But he has kept some great wingers in his pocket - Bale and Ribery come to mind.

It's not like he get skinned by tricky winners. Actually he hardly ever does and puts in an insane amount of tackles.

His positioning in the box is what needs improvement but you can also say that about Evra, Evans, Jones and Smalling.
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Rafael has the same problem Rio had when he was young: He's so good he gets cocky and stops concentrating. You never see Rafa get nutmegged, left on his backside by trickery or totally done even against the best wingers. Normally what happens is he'll start coasting through a game and let someone sneak in behind him. In a 1:1 situation where he's standing up against an attacker I always fancy him to win the ball but it's when we edge ahead in games and he stops concentrating and starts going gung ho in attack that he gets caught out. Ironically one of those players who is actually much better against quality when he is forced to focus as opposed to against mid level guys who he clearly feels no need to take seriously.
 
#07 said:
Rafael has the same problem Rio had when he was young: He's so good he gets cocky and stops concentrating. You never see Rafa get nutmegged, left on his backside by trickery or totally done even against the best wingers. Normally what happens is he'll start coasting through a game and let someone sneak in behind him. In a 1:1 situation where he's standing up against an attacker I always fancy him to win the ball but it's when we edge ahead in games and he stops concentrating and starts going gung ho in attack that he gets caught out. Ironically one of those players who is actually much better against quality when he is forced to focus as opposed to against mid level guys who he clearly feels no need to take seriously.
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Yep your spot on.

I see many are claiming that the reason he makes so many tackles is cos he's so often out of position. Totally disagree with that. The vast majority of his tackles are when he's on his feet when a player attempts to knock it past him, where in this situation he's really good at reacting and putting a foot in coming away with the ball. He also wins a lot of 50:50 tackles going to ground which isn't always a good idea but its something he's generally pretty good at. His hunger will usually see him coming away with the ball more often than not.
 
adexkola said:
Agree with the rest but that point is just not true.
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Well no it probably isnt ^^ What I meant to say is that a lot of players who are lauded for their tackling ability are actually poor positionally. It just came out a bit exaggerated. It is normally more apparent in midfield, where your average football pleb rates players like Parker over Carrick.

But also for defenders it is often the case. Jones and Rafael are two examples in our squad. If Rafael was better positionally, he wouldnt have to make as many last ditch tackles, but would be a better defender overall. His tackling ability would still be there, he just wouldnt have to rely on it all the time.
 
Gazza said:
Is it fair to say Rafael's positioning has been no worse than Evra's has been for large chunks of the season?
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I think Evra has gotten his act together somewhat during the second half of the season to be honest. Others have been the main culprits in defense. But yea Evra's not very good positionally either. At least not as good as he used to be ..

You might have a point in that its a bit harsh to whine over a young player's positioning when one of our senior players and captain is struggling in the same department, but there's been general agreement on here that Evra has been under par for a long time so I hope Rafael turns out better than the last couple of seasons version of Evra.
 
Brosstan said:
I think Evra has gotten his act together somewhat during the second half of the season to be honest. Others have been the main culprits in defense. But yea Evra's not very good positionally either. At least not as good as he used to be ..

You might have a point in that its a bit harsh to whine over a young player's positioning when one of our senior players and captain is struggling in the same department, but there's been general agreement on here that Evra has been under par for a long time so I hope Rafael turns out better than the last couple of seasons version of Evra.
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Agreed.

I do think Evra has picked up a bit in the last few months but more noticeably going forward.
 
Gazza said:
Is it fair to say Rafael's positioning has been no worse than Evra's has been for large chunks of the season?
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Its been better without a doubt. So has his passing even if its been a bit iffy at times. In fact last time I looked at the stats, the one thing Evra had over him is that he wins more 1 on 1s.

But still we see Evra go in recklessly to these and when he does get beaten, he's hopelessly out of position to help defend the move. It doesnt help that he casually jogs back after.

Rafael has things to improve on if he's going to be a top right back for sure, but he isnt a liability like Evra has become.
 
The better the opposing team is, the less worry I have about Rafael playing. It's when we're playing the supposed weaker teams that Rafael gives me the shits, he loses concentration when playing against them and he needs to fix this aspect of his game.
 
Been called up to replace injured Dani Alves in the Brazil squad for their upcomin friendlies.
 
LLMU said:
Great to hear that. I really would like to see him cement a first choice place in our team
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He is a first choice for me, especially when we're up against speed merchants on the wing.
 
Also in case anyone missed his previous game for Brazil, or Fabio's, I saw them both being used as Dani Alves clones on the right. Pushing right up like wingers and playing well.
 
Rafael hasn't been capped yet. Only Fabio. Are you referring to his youth games with Brazil?

I'd like to see them together on the wing. Rafael as a right back and Fabio as a right winger. Don't know if that will happen though in pre-season which would be a great time to test it out. Depends on the Olympics selection.
 
Snow said:
Rafael hasn't been capped yet. Only Fabio. Are you referring to his youth games with Brazil?

I'd like to see them together on the wing. Rafael as a right back and Fabio as a right winger. Don't know if that will happen though in pre-season which would be a great time to test it out. Depends on the Olympics selection.
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I could have sworn I saw Rafael play in a friendly. I guess it was just Fabio again
 
I've always been a Rafael fan. It's a shame that we need to rotate in order to get him, smalling and jones enough gametime - I would like to see Rafael being given a good run of games at the start of next season.

The question mark with the twins has always been fitness and injuries though, not ability.
 
Rafael has just come on against Denmark, making his debut. Come on Rafa!
 
In the short time he had.Made a nice run and link up play with Wellington , before almost being put through on goal.
 
Rafael's got a magnificent future ahead of him and yet there are still posters on these boards saying we should get shot of him as if there are literally hundreds of young right backs with as much promise and potential as he has. Mad.
 
Delighted for him - he still scares me defensively, but if he can keep working and improving he could be one of the best RBs in Europe
 
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