Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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Getsme said:
I'm struggling to understand why some posters don't think we need a RB, it's looking unlikely that we will get Coleman, in fact we are basing all this on rumours. One thing that is clear though, is we need more than the one RB we currently have. Rafael has no competition for his place and the lack of cover in that area is worrying.
We've been forced this season to play players out if position, that shouldn't happen to a club of our size.
It's fair to say that Varela could be up for the job next season but it's a lot to ask from someone with so little experiance.
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No one is saying that we don't need a RB. What people are saying is that we don't need a 20m right back and especially we don't need to sell Rafael. Big difference from saying that we don't need a backup RB at all.

Varela has played well on the reserves and is currently on the level when Rafael got his debute for us (probably even better). He'll be 21 next month so what is the point of him if we don't start using him. He should be a decent cover and with the league over for us, it wouldn't be the worst idea ever to give him some game. United was supposed to be the team who give young players a chance, not only sign proven players.
 
The fact that we need RB cover could have been avoided if we didn't sell Fabio, and actually played him when Rafael was injured. This situation was avoidable.
 
Rumours of a bust-up between Moyes and Rafael post Fulham on RedIssue, posted by one of the editors apparently, who reckons he's now unofficially up for sale. Whatever that means.

Bollocks surely? Anyone else heard anything?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Sure that's what happened. Nothing to do with you and your cronies deciding this was another good opportunity to have a pop at the manager.

What the feck does "pro Moyes botch fest" even mean?
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Stop it. I have nothing against Moyes, and I'm firmly in the camp of giving him more time, but I think the idea of selling Rafael to bring in Coleman is totally stupid. I'm all for signing for another RB, but if we bring in Coleman, I'm not sure how that'll work with two players eyeing the starting place every week. I think it's beyond stupid that we'd bring in Coleman and let Rafael sit in the bench.
 
Cutch said:
He started the next game 3 days later so does indeed sound like bollocks.
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Yeah, you are probably right. There seem to be a few little stories of bust-ups appearing lately, but this might be a case of hitting a man when he's down from the papers/rivals.
 
Wouldn't suprise me. A few journos have already written back in Dec, that Moyes is looking for a player to replace Rafael. Moyes, if you sell Rafael, we're running riot.
 
Anderson18 said:
Wouldn't suprise me. A few journos have already written back in Dec, that Moyes is looking for a player to replace Rafael. Moyes, if you sell Rafael, we're running riot.
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Agree. It would be a shocking decision, we massively need to strengthen others areas not RB. Granted we do need back-up but back-up is not splashing out £20m considering it's a RB decision. Give Varela a run if need be, he's getting rave reviews in the reserves and he's now 21 so deserves a chance if we do have any injuries.

Saying that, I can't see him being given a chance in the near future.
 
My fear with Moyes is that he'll leave the squad weaker than he found it, after a few years of dismal failure. The way Moyes is miserably underachieving and apparently looking to get shot of Rafael, who has been one of our most consistent performers for years, reinforces my fears.
 
If there is any truth in these rumors, this is absolutely mental. Rafael is arguably one of the best backs in the PL, I'd even say in Europe, and great backs don't really grow on trees these days, do they.

I've been a little cautious about this whole "Moyes out" situation, but things do indeed seem to spin horribly out of control now (ref Andy Mitten's latest column). Are we possibly looking at a scenario where we need to replace four defenders in one summer? As well as strengthen the midfield and wings. The way football has developed the last ten years we'll be out of the circus in a blink of the eye if we fall off now.

What a mess this is.
 
This is one of my gripes with people who insist Moyes should be given time and the freedom to spend 200 million in the summer before judging him. If he can't get the best out of young, talented guys like Rafael, what indication is there to suggest that he'll get the best out of any future signings. For all we know, Rafa is a loyal United player who gives his all come matchday. If we buy some-one like say Vidal in the summer and Moyes insists on him holding the rigid defensive shape and passing the balls sideways, who's to say the player won't turn on him then.
 
Tarrou said:
Rumours of a bust-up between Moyes and Rafael post Fulham on RedIssue, posted by one of the editors apparently, who reckons he's now unofficially up for sale. Whatever that means.

Bollocks surely? Anyone else heard anything?
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I wish people would stop posting bollocks from Red Issue. Just a week ago they said that Fletcher was bullying Fellaini. Absolute cack
 
#07 said:
My fear with Moyes is that he'll leave the squad weaker than he found it, after a few years of dismal failure. The way Moyes is miserably underachieving and apparently looking to get shot of Rafael, who has been one of our most consistent performers for years, reinforces my fears.
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Of course he will. If he gets given next season and more importantly a boatload of money to build his own team, United are fecked for the medium/long term.
 
datura said:
So buying Mata and Fellaini has weakened our squad/team?

Edit: And Fabregas and Baines wouldn't have strengthened us either?
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Doesn't matter who he buys, if he makes them play Moyesball then the team is significantly weakened.

Best course of action would be to give that cash to a manager who actually knows what he's doing.
 
It's perfectly reasonable for Moyes to be looking at right backs, the caf has been very vocal concerning how poor Smalling and Valencia have been in that position in Rafael's absence. I don't think him scouting right backs is any reason for worry in itself.
 
#07 said:
My fear with Moyes is that he'll leave the squad weaker than he found it, after a few years of dismal failure. The way Moyes is miserably underachieving and apparently looking to get shot of Rafael, who has been one of our most consistent performers for years, reinforces my fears.
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Moyes is evil...very evil ...isn't he... :)
 
datura said:
So buying Mata and Fellaini has weakened our squad/team?
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it hasn't strengthened us so far in any visible way.

felliani will keep playing well once in a while, which will be enough for the moyes-apologists. the truth is, the club wasted a load of money and the opportunity to bring in better players, so in a way it is a weakening.
 
Would be funny if you sold him and tried to get Coleman as i am pretty confident we would tell you 110% no.
 
Rafael and Varela, full stop.

It's madness to think that's a principal area of concern.
 
sajeev said:
it hasn't strengthened us so far in any visible way.

felliani will keep playing well once in a while, which will be enough for the moyes-apologists. the truth is, the club wasted a load of money and the opportunity to bring in better players, so in a way it is a weakening.
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That is just judging on current results though. Re Fellaini he's only just come back from injury and had an interrupted season so far. I have no idea if he'll be a good signing in the long term or not, but there has been signs of promise that he could work out. It seems you've made up your mind already though which to me shows a lack of patience.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Despite Varela playing a grand total of 0 minutes?
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Well, then no player who hasn't played before should never play because he has played a grand total of 0 minutes. Varela has been very good in reserves (probably better than when Rafael debuted, although Rafael was younger) and he has made a great case for himself to get an introduction on the first team. Actually, I think that he would be a big improvement on Smalling/Jones/Valencia in that position. If you don't give players a chance, well, they won't ever be ready.
 
datura said:
So buying Mata and Fellaini has weakened our squad/team?

Edit: And Fabregas and Baines wouldn't have strengthened us either?
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With the possible exception of Mata, criticism could be levelled at our involvement with every other one of those names. The pursuit of Fabregas was a damaging distraction to transfer activity for the remainder of the summer, the other two represent an inefficient use of the club's resources with even the successful signing of Fellaini being bungled in its execution. Hardly positives for the Moyes' camp, best stick to the introduction of Angry Birds and Candy Crush to our scouting department.


Steven Seagull said:
Despite Varela playing a grand total of 0 minutes?
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And whose responsibility is it to remedy that situation? The manager with such an enviable record of promoting youth?
 
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
And whose responsibility is it to remedy that situation? The manager with such an enviable record of promoting youth?
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Why people insist on this. Wayne Rooney, Jack Rodwell and Adnan Januzaj are the only players I can remember that Moyes gave the chance when they were/are really young. It isn't such a great record to be fair, and as far as I know, was one of the things Everton fans didn't like on him.
 
Great...we can add Rafael to a growing list of players that Moyes doesn't get a long with.
 
acnumber9 said:
The same reason Everton have been selling for years. What's changed? Has Kenwright come into money?
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The new TV money will help us hold onto players. It was quite clear that McCarthy was in Martinez's plans hence him selling Fellaini for a huge fee and bringing him in. Coleman, Barkley, McCarthy, Stones etc are clearly part of his plans for the future and what he wants to build the team around. I doubt Martinez would sell them and if Kenwright took it upon himself to do so i wouldn't blame him for resigning. It's not like the players want to leave either, they want to be a part of the side and try to garner success with us.
 
Revan said:
Well, then no player who hasn't played before should never play because he has played a grand total of 0 minutes. Varela has been very good in reserves (probably better than when Rafael debuted, although Rafael was younger) and he has made a great case for himself to get an introduction on the first team. Actually, I think that he would be a big improvement on Smalling/Jones/Valencia in that position. If you don't give players a chance, well, they won't ever be ready.
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Gannicus said:
Rafael to start most games and Varela to be worked in against weaker sides. Not a particularly novel concept.
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Yes smarty pants, but Rafael hasn't got such a good record that you can just pick and choose what games he plays. Going into a new season with Varela as the main backup would be even more stupid than having Buttner as the only backup to Evra.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Yes smarty pants, but Rafael hasn't got such a good record that you can just pick and choose what games he plays. Going into a new season with Varela as the main backup would be even more stupid than having Buttner as the only backup to Evra.
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Which is why it would make sense to give him game time now and see how good he is. If he looks comfortable then that's money saved, if not we can and buy a backup in the summer.
 
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