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Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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What has Varela done thats making one or two on here think hes ready to be introduced to Premier League football in a struggling side/defence? when I've seen him in the youth hes looked technical, his defending has been "OK" nothing special either side of his midseason disapearance/break.
He's actually done pretty well since his initial introduction when he found English football difficult to settle in with. Your last comment seems to indicate you haven't watched him much since his "midseason disappearance" was down to the fact that his parents were involved in a car crash back home.
He is still 20 so it would hav been difficult for him to win multiple Ballon D'Or already. As you said he looks good technically, okay-ish in defence and has a great speed (probably he would be the fastest player in our team, especially with Chicha looking to have lost a yard or two). I think he has shown enough to get an introduction to the first team, with Rafael being injured, Smalling being horrible in that position and the league being over for us. Then we can decide if he is good enough or we can sing a cheap backup (like Clyne for example).
Not really, saw him again last game against sunderland, as I said, he's always looked technical to some of the others, but nothing screams to me hes ready right now to be involved in first team affairs like some in the past have.
Varela is ready for first team action. Until we test him no one can judge if he'll be a star or a flop. This is what's infuriating me. Hoards of Moyes backers claim he gives youth a chance. Yet he's only ever favoured Rooney, Rodwell and Januzaj. A lot of our other younger players : Keane, Zaha, Fabio barely got a look in under Moyes even in the Mickey Mouse Cup even though we know they can be atleast decent squad members.
It's a good sign that nothing screams to you. Defenders are supposed to go about their business silently. It's when you start noticing them that they're doing something wrong.
It's a good sign that nothing screams to you. Defenders are supposed to go about their business silently. It's when you start noticing them that they're doing something wrong.
Mmm, I don't want to argue the point further as he looks promising enough, but people are asking him to go straight into the first team squad as a natural right sided player instead of Smalling, and while it would be great not to have to endure Smallings "wonderful" distribution from the position anymore, the absence of Rafael right now basically means he'd be... thrust right into the team? despite the fact we have diddly squat to play for this season, We still have games like City/Liverpool coming up, Moyes is fighting for his life, it's not a move I'd make personally for any less than a Januzaj/Morrison talent at this stage is my point.
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Failure is often a consequence of being too timid. I'm not saying we should plunge Varela right in, but atleast bring him as a late substitute a couple of times to test him out and check what the lad's made of. For all we know he could save us the money for buying a new right back. Look at what Roberto Martinez is doing. He has perfectly capable central defenders in Distin and Jagielka. But he keeps the odd giving gametime to John Stones, because he's the future. Until you give young players a chance you'll never know how they'll perform in the first team.
He's gave far more players then that chances at Everton!!
Moyes is conservative. Whether we like it or not, he will prefer Smalling over Varela at RB.
Rafael does need more than a deputy - unlike Evra, he misses a boatload of games.
Rafael does need more than a deputy - unlike Evra, he misses a boatload of games.
In fairness, Varela has only just returned from Uruguay and would be a risk especially in a struggling team. It's far easier to debut a player in a team playing well and Smalling is a capable enough right back.
Name the young players he consistently played at Goodison..
I agree, and am not one of those suggesting Varela should play. Unless he is obviously ready, Smalling or Jones are better choices in the current situation.
Seriously? I'm not an Everton fan but there were a large number of players who he gave debuts. Whether they played consistently is pretty irrelevant as there are few homegrown players who play consistently at any Premiership club as there is paucity of English talent.
Name the reserve/ academy prospects who made their debut and had more than 3 appearances for Everton under his watch. The man even sent Barkley on loan when all the Everton fans could see he was ready for PL action and Martinez is proving them right.
EDIT : Even John Stones made 0 appearances for Everton in all competitions for Moyes and has already played 15 games this term.
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Moyes played Vaughan and Anichibe as youngsters, its easy to forget about them because they were poor. Pretty sure its all down to physique though. If our young players are taller and sturdy I dont doubt they'll get a game. Varela? Probably sent out on loan on a Coleman route at best. Even though he could definitely do a job at right back in the first team for a game or two.
Vaughan
Anichibe
Coleman
Rodwell
Barkley
Apostolos Vellios
Plenty that got more than 3 games under Moyes watch as young players. They were just mostly poor
That's exactly what I think too. He has a fetish for massive jocks who may not even have decent technique. Hence the preferential treatment to trick pony Valencia over a silky playemaker like Shinji.
Stones on signed for Everton at the end of the January window last year! How the hell did you ever get promoted?
As Ekeke said he gave debuts/games to numerous academy products. Many are easily forgotten as they aren't particularly good.
Re Barkley you might do yourself some good reading up on him http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/20/everton-ross-barkley-england
Rodwell, Barkley, Rooney. In Moyes period at Everton, he brought trough more very good first team youngsters than we have managed for that period. He also did well in bringing in cheap players like Jagielka, Cahill and Coleman and they turned out great. Jagielka is the one player I have been most wrong about. I have a lot of worries with Moyes, but this is not one.
Coleman is a someone I would class as a young player that Moyes brought through even though he came from another club (bit like Fergie bringing Ronaldo through). But that's just 4 players in the space of 10 years at a mid-table club. That's not a good record and players of Jagielka and Cahill's quality wouldn't really cut it at United aside from being decent squad players at best. Moyes doesn't have a track record in bringing players through like his supposed supporters keep on saying.
That's a magnificent haul in over a decade tbf. Especially considering how bad our youth setup is according to David Moyes that he needs to do a large scale Everton style revamp. Poor poor Man United with its shitty Reserve team giving more than 3 starts to only the following from the top of my head :
Jonny Evans
Danny Welbeck
Tom Cleverley
Gerard Pique
Michael Keane
Federico Macheda
Phil Bardsley
Giuseppe Rossi
Kieran Richardson
Darren Gibson
Our youth/ scouting setup is shambles indeed and has to be corrected by David.
Just love how you get so hostile when some-one offers a differing view, so many feels. And how stupid of me to not realize 4 months is not enough to give a single minute of first team football to a young signee. It's just never been done in the histiry of football ever. I'm just so so so retarded.
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That's a magnificent haul in over a decade tbf. Especially considering how bad our youth setup is according to David Moyes that he needs to do a large scale Everton style revamp. Poor poor Man United with its shitty Reserve team giving more than 3 starts to only the following from the top of my head :
Jonny Evans
Danny Welbeck
Tom Cleverley
Gerard Pique
Michael Keane
Federico Macheda
Phil Bardsley
Giuseppe Rossi
Kieran Richardson
Darren Gibson
Our youth/ scouting setup is shambles indeed and has to be corrected by David.
I like the way that you've picked up on a snippet of one article which doesn't even go into specifics as an opportunity to criticise when you don't know exactly what his concerns are. Congrats.
Since we are counting Coleman, then I think is fair to count Pogba, Fabio and Rafael too.That's a magnificent haul in over a decade tbf. Especially considering how bad our youth setup is according to David Moyes that he needs to do a large scale Everton style revamp. Poor poor Man United with its shitty Reserve team giving more than 3 starts to only the following from the top of my head :
Jonny Evans
Danny Welbeck
Tom Cleverley
Gerard Pique
Michael Keane
Federico Macheda
Phil Bardsley
Giuseppe Rossi
Kieran Richardson
Darren Gibson
Our youth/ scouting setup is shambles indeed and has to be corrected by David.
Absolutely, I hate how all these massive jocks like Young, Januzaj and Mata keep our silky Shinji out of the team
That doesn't even make any sense. That's just an axiomatically redundant statement. I have nothing further to add sir. We're just going to go in a perpetual loop. You're not gonna budge from your viewpoint and I won't either. Cheerio nothing personal.
That doesn't even make any sense. That's just an axiomatically redundant statement. I have nothing further to add sir. We're just going to go in a perpetual loop. You're not gonna budge from your viewpoint and I won't either. Cheerio nothing personal.
What viewpoint have I got? You seem to be making big statements with little to no obvious knowledge and a clear bias yet you accuse me of being redundant?! The lunatics are clearly taking over the asylum.
But he is peerless bastion for promoting youth. Standing alone like a guardian against the immediacies of modern life.
You can't blame him for Mustafi..I mean it pales in comparison to Fergie and Pogba. However Fergie actually brought through a number of young players at the highest level. Moyes had brought through 4 young players that I can think of (1 of them being Wayne Rooney) in the ten years at a midtable club.
See Ron-Robert Zieler for SAF..Every manager has the odd player that slips through and goes onto better things.
Pogba is more like Pique - the player chose another club. Fergie wanted to keep him by all accounts.
That's why I'm appalled when people claim he's some kind of youth promoting genius. Matter of fact I'm not even sure he should get the credit for Rooney anymore. Wayne was already a part of first team squad when Moyes arrived. He was already starring for the England Under level teams and the worst kept secret of English football. If we closely look at the youth players he brought since his ideologies we implemented in the Toffees academy the numbers are hapless. And now he has the nerve to say our academy/ scouting departments need to be overhauled. He could potentially be ruinous for the long term.
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A debate that has been on Caf for years. Fergie probably wanted to keep him, but he wasn't prepared to give him games which resulted on Pogba leaving.
Pique was much more different. He wanted to leave because his boyhood team called him (when he would be a starter) while here he wouldn't start because of Rio and Vidic. We accepted Barca offer. We could have forced him to stay here if we wanted because he was under contract.
What's going on here with Rafael? all I am really reading is speculation from random sources.
That's all it is, speculation. It's coming from Coleman's good form and United's need to invest big.
yeah....that's final nail to Moye's coffin...
in all seriousness... all teams / managers have their big rejects.
For all the talk of him revamping our scouting department, would be a bit underwhelming if he tried to nab one of his former players again.
Yep. For a while there seems to be this attitude that if a player doesnt move up to a bigger club, they lack ambition. Or that if a bigger club just waves money around the lesser club will just fold and sell. An attitude I've never really been a fan of. Dont think fans of top clubs realise how condescending it can be. If they do, they probably don't care.
Seeing a similar thing with Southampton and their players. Hope you lot can keep the team together and build something.
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