Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

[devilish]

Although principle wise that is true, that is not always the case.

a Coup d'etat can be a start of a long prosperous reign (as history has shown many times in the past). Off course it's a very extreme cases, but to there has to be a defining line of when a coup d'etat is warranted, and Imo moyes is on a really thin line.

Most of our players will have no problems finding new clubs should , Moyes will have problems finding new clubs that's as big as United. Infact he'll probably ended up in managerial black hole and sucked into obscenity if this job of his fails. I say he got more going on in this than the players.

The worst thing that can happen is players believing that they are bigger then the club. SAF was terrified by it and kicked big names like Ince and Beckham because of it.

Moyes was in my opinion a bad choice. However the best way the players had to get rid off him quickly was to co-operate, give their 100% and let his weaknesses be exposed. If they are unable to do that then they should leave. By playing badly they are only giving him an excuse of why he should remain here and built 'his own side'

 

[Getsme]

Oh come on, watch him play regular football and cement (er... that seems vulgar) his place in the cardiff starting Eleven. Moyes hardly give him a chance, he may / may not be the player we all thought he is, but at least give him a proper chance of 90 minutes to display what he can offer.

So... a player who plays in the CL final is not good enough for "Back up" player ? You think we're Fifa all star?

Again you miss the point, it's not bringing back up that we're against, but selling our first team RB for a lesser (albeit less injury prone) RB for potentially a financial net loss. All that for what? We're not sugar daddies, we can't afford choping and changing less prioritized area just for the sake of it.

You really have to start reading posts? I didn't say Fabio wasn't good enough for us, but our manager certainly doesn't think he is. Is it the right decision? Who knows, only time will tell.
Please stop going on about him playing in the Champions league final as if it's some sort of bench mark, we had Blomqvist playing for us in 99, Greening was on the bench, Anderson in 09. Just because you play in a Champions a League final doesn't mean that you're a top player.
I'm not missing any point, you're assuming we are selling Rafael due to some rumours that more or likely came from some idiot on twitter, what you're failing to understand is that we need back up and competition in the squad. I'm a fan of Rafael but he's needs a kick up the arse, he knows his position is safe at the moment which is never good for a player.

 

[Sky1981]

The worst thing that can happen is players believing that they are bigger then the club. SAF was terrified by it and kicked big names like Ince and Beckham because of it.

Moyes was in my opinion a bad choice. However the best way the players had to get rid off him quickly was to co-operate, give their 100% and let his weaknesses be exposed. If they are unable to do that then they should leave. By playing badly they are only giving him an excuse of why he should remain here and built 'his own side'

It's all relative. SAF can afford that kind of execution because he's has grown (in time due to achievements and glory obtained in the past) bigger than the rest of the squad (as much as the cliche of no man is bigger than the other man).

Moyes needs to prove his worth before going all ruthless and kill everyone in sight. You just have to back up your reign with actual result to keep the majority of your. SAF early years didn't see him going all principle and boot all the drunkards back then, he utilised them to the point when he's ready, only then he gets them all shipped out.

Like it or not, that's the way the world goes, you don't go in to top company and start saying everyone is wrong and you're right, while they have been successful in the past without you.

Furthermore, many players in our teams don't have the 2-3 years to give Moyes time, they'll be 30+ when he's done, and that could have been viewed as a period too far from them. (again I'm not arguing what is wrong or what is right but I suspect that is just the logical nature of human behavior i.e. selfish and thinking about his own skin first and foremost)

 

[Sky1981]

You really have to start reading posts? I didn't say Fabio wasn't good enough for us, but our manager certainly doesn't think he is. Is it the right decision? Who knows, only time will tell.
Please stop going on about him playing in the Champions league final as if it's some sort of bench mark, we had Blomqvist playing for us in 99, Greening was on the bench, Anderson in 09. Just because you play in a Champions a League final doesn't mean that you're a top player.
I'm not missing any point, you're assuming we are selling Rafael due to some rumours that more or likely came from some idiot on twitter, what you're failing to understand is that we need back up and competition in the squad. I'm a fan of Rafael but he's needs a kick up the arse, he knows his position is safe at the moment which is never good for a player.

You also misses my point, first I understand it is rumor, which I promptly disclaim in brackets : if the rumors is true. Secondly, I agree with you, a back up and competition is good, but again "If the rumor is true" we are going to end up selling our first team RB for another same or less RB. That is my qualm with the whole situation.

 

[Getsme]

You also misses my point, first I understand it is rumor, which I promptly disclaim in brackets : if the rumors is true. Secondly, I agree with you, a back up and competition is good, but again "If the rumor is true" we are going to end up selling our first team RB for another same or less RB. That is my qualm with the whole situation.

I'm not missing your point, far from it in fact. You're basing your whole argument on 'if', while I'm basing mine on reality.
Until it's confirmed by the club then you're worrying about nothing, I'm not saying it won't happen but there's been nothing to suggest that he will be sold. In the mean time it's wise for Moyes to keep track of any player that will help improve the squad, if he didn't he wouldn't be doing his job, just because we buy a player doesn't mean one will be sold.

 

[Mauzindark]

Yes... but all the players you mentioned there, Jones, Smalling, Fletcher aren't considered by most here as automatic starters, Rafael is.. that's the difference in why some are questioning if his durability as an issue or not, also at this point it's just speculation that we'd even consider outright selling him or if we're going to fork over sizeable amounts for Coleman etc.

Fair enough can't really argue with that.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Please stop going on about him playing in the Champions league final as if it's some sort of bench mark, we had Blomqvist playing for us in 99, Greening was on the bench, Anderson in 09. Just because you play in a Champions a League final doesn't mean that you're a top player.

Got to agree with this part. This is a great ouel line that gets peddled about on here in order to verify that Fabio, is indeed, a top player. Djimi Traore started in, and won a Champions League final as did Ryan Bertrand; are they both amazingly good players? I think not.

 

[Revan]

What is exactly his long term plan? I'm seriously curious, is he planning to get us to play like Everton? Full back lumping crosses? Because if the "dreams" of Moyes' supporter is to materialises (i.e. proper attacking and exciting football), brining in Seamus Coleman is the last of his worry.

Nail on the head.

 

[Getsme]

Nail on the head.

It's not really though is it.
We are all speculating about which players will come and go, in truth none of us have a clue.

 

[devilish]

It's all relative. SAF can afford that kind of execution because he's has grown (in time due to achievements and glory obtained in the past) bigger than the rest of the squad (as much as the cliche of no man is bigger than the other man).

Moyes needs to prove his worth before going all ruthless and kill everyone in sight. You just have to back up your reign with actual result to keep the majority of your. SAF early years didn't see him going all principle and boot all the drunkards back then, he utilised them to the point when he's ready, only then he gets them all shipped out.

Like it or not, that's the way the world goes, you don't go in to top company and start saying everyone is wrong and you're right, while they have been successful in the past without you.

Furthermore, many players in our teams don't have the 2-3 years to give Moyes time, they'll be 30+ when he's done, and that could have been viewed as a period too far from them. (again I'm not arguing what is wrong or what is right but I suspect that is just the logical nature of human behavior i.e. selfish and thinking about his own skin first and foremost)

If a club doesn't trust the manager enough not to allow him to impose his will on his team then he shouldn't be employed in the first place. The last thing you would want is a manager who has to plead to get into his own players good books.

I have been working long enough to know that there are good managers and bad ones. When I met the bad ones I tried to first adapt and then when it wasn't possible I involved all stakeholders and shared our views for the good of the company.If things got rotten I just moved on. I always tried to give my 100% irrespective on whether my supervisor is a genius or a d**che.

Employees are paid to give 100% to the club irrespective of who is the manager. That's what professionalism is all about. If they can't they shouldn't be at the club. Honestly I believe that if Moyes is replaced by a truly great manager then the first thing he should do is to identify the ring leaders and kick them out. The last you want is players sabotaging the side when things don't go their way

 

[Sky1981]

If a club doesn't trust the manager enough not to allow him to impose his will on his team then he shouldn't be employed in the first place. The last thing you would want is a manager who has to plead to get into his own players good books.

I have been working long enough to know that there are good managers and bad ones. When I met the bad ones I tried to first adapt and then when it wasn't possible I involved all stakeholders and shared our views for the good of the company.If things got rotten I just moved on. I always tried to give my 100% irrespective on whether my supervisor is a genius or a d**che.

Employees are paid to give 100% to the club irrespective of who is the manager. That's what professionalism is all about. If they can't they shouldn't be at the club. Honestly I believe that if Moyes is replaced by a truly great manager then the first thing he should do is to identify the ring leaders and kick them out. The last you want is players sabotaging the side when things don't go their way

Maybe they have done all that and still decides he's not the man for the job. It's kinda hard to perform in a job when your manager is clueless, and im not talking about football.

Imagine selling printer when your boss doesnt endorse fresh marketing ideas and stick for people to visit the shop and buy our printer? Would a good professional salesman perform under that circumstances?

Would our attacking player shine if they're instructed to defend and trackback all the time?

 

[Rossa]

Coleman is a very good fullback, but I don't see him improving over Rafael who is both younger and has a higher ceiling. Having both seems a bit redundant as they are similar in style. If Moyes does indeed opt to go for more Everton players I think he will lose much respect from Everton fans, the club, but also United fans. Managers who rob their former, lesser, clubs of their best players are generally frowned upon. It shows a lack of respect, but more importantly it shows a lack of general view and knowledge considering other players and leagues.

If there was a great need for a right back and Everton had a world beater there far beyond what we have, then most people would be on board as most people would understand. When it isn't that clear, and the up till now failure of Fellaini, I think Moyes would think twice about brining more of his former players.

Solskjær might be experiencing this with Cardiff too; bringing his former players, who are also Norwegians. If they don't play well, fingers will be pointed at him. If they play well, he will still not get any praise for it.

 

[devilish]

Maybe they have done all that and still decides he's not the man for the job. It's kinda hard to perform in a job when your manager is clueless, and im not talking about football.

Imagine selling printer when your boss doesnt endorse fresh marketing ideas and stick for people to visit the shop and buy our printer? Would a good professional salesman perform under that circumstances?

Would our attacking player shine if they're instructed to defend and trackback all the time?

I much doubt it to be honest. Have Moyes made our defenders forget how to defend?

Resistance to change can be a bitch. Just ask SAF.

 

[Revan]

It's not really though is it.
We are all speculating about which players will come and go, in truth none of us have a clue.

Of course we are all speculating, and I think that Sky in this case is right. I don't expect Moyes to change the style of play and his two primary targets in the summer (Fellaini and Baines) only confirm that. If the rumours for Coleman are true, it only confirms that Moyes doesn't want to get out of his confort zone.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Coleman is a very good fullback, but I don't see him improving over Rafael who is both younger and has a higher ceiling. Having both seems a bit redundant as they are similar in style. If Moyes does indeed opt to go for more Everton players I think he will lose much respect from Everton fans, the club, but also United fans. Managers who rob their former, lesser, clubs of their best players are generally frowned upon. It shows a lack of respect, but more importantly it shows a lack of general view and knowledge considering other players and leagues.

I don't really buy this "higher ceiling" stuff. I don't think it can be predicted with any kind of accuracy. I remember loads of posts about Anderson and his "high ceiling" and look how that turned out. Conversely, you often get players where something clicks in their mid twenties and they go on to become a much better player than anyone thought possible.

Not a criticism of Rafael - who I think is a very good player already - just the whole concept of making definitive statements about how good some players will or won't become.

 

[Getsme]

Of course we are all speculating, and I think that Sky in this case is right. I don't expect Moyes to change the style of play and his two primary targets in the summer (Fellaini and Baines) only confirm that. If the rumours for Coleman are true, it only confirms that Moyes doesn't want to get out of his confort zone.

I understand where you're coming from, however, If we are basing this on rumours then Kross, Carvalho, Reus, Shaw, Gundogan, Cavaini, Vidal to name but a few would suggest that Moyes does plan to change the system, but they are just that, rumours.
I'm not defending Moyes here, but I'm not going to criticise him either for unfounded rumours. I'm judging him this season purely on our results and our style of play, so far he's failed miserably. If he is still here in the summer and he signs the type of players we desperately need, then good on him. If he doesn't then we really are in trouble.
If he is looking for a backup or competition for Rafael then I for one would welcome that, it doesn't have to be Coleman but it has to be someone of quality.

 

[Brophs]

I never really bought into this idea of Baines being a 'comfort blanket' signing by Moyes and the same goes for Coleman. Baines is one the best full backs in the league and probably in the top 10 left backs in the world. He'd have improved us, though I think at his age the prices being mentioned were a bit toppy. Coleman is a very good full back who'd improve any squad in the league. The fact Moyes knows him would obviously be an added bonus, but I tend to think we'll always be interested in the best players from the PL and he falls into that category in terms of full backs. I'd be amazed if the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and City aren't all looking at Coleman, or at least would consider him if they needed to strengthen in that position

For me, Fellaini was more of a 'comfort blanket' signing, in that Moyes seemed to miss out on other targets and went for Fellaini, because he could get him. One of his strongest justifications at the time was that "he offers something different" which isn't exactly the firmest endorsement.

 

[Sky1981]

I much doubt it to be honest. Have Moyes made our defenders forget how to defend?

Resistance to change can be a bitch. Just ask SAF.

Well. He did make our players turns into zombier than before, failing to string basic pass, forgetting to defend, and seems to forget that they play football instead of sepak takraw.

But nah, it's the player, moyes is world class manager, once he gets his team we will be playing tiki total football taka and sweep 10 treble in a row. We will buy vidal, reus, gundogan, fabregas, and we will own every teams

 

[Brophs]

Well. He did make our players turns into zombier than before, failing to string basic pass, forgetting to defend, and seems to forget that they play football instead of sepak takraw.

But nah, it's the player, moyes is world class manager, once he gets his team we will be playing tiki total football taka and sweep 10 treble in a row. We will buy vidal, reus, gundogan, fabregas, and we will own every teams

Said no one, ever.

 

[Revan]

I never really bought into this idea of Baines being a 'comfort blanket' signing by Moyes and the same goes for Coleman. Baines is one the best full backs in the league and probably in the top 10 left backs in the world. He'd have improved us, though I think at his age the prices being mentioned were a bit toppy. Coleman is a very good full back who'd improve any squad in the league. The fact Moyes knows him would obviously be an added bonus, but I tend to think we'll always be interested in the best players from the PL and he falls into that category in terms of full backs. I'd be amazed if the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and City aren't all looking at Coleman, or at least would consider him if they needed to strengthen in that position

For me, Fellaini was more of a 'comfort blanket' signing, in that Moyes seemed to miss out on other targets and went for Fellaini, because he could get him. One of his strongest justifications at the time was that "he offers something different" which isn't exactly the firmest endorsement.

I disagree. I think that all the three you mentioned are in the category of 'comfort blanket' signing by Moyes. All of them are good players (even Fellaini though I don't think that he is suited to an exciting style that much) and Baines would definitely improve us (though his price and age is a big worry). Coleman is a very good player but I would choose Rafael above him every day. The problem is that there are better players right there for whom Moyes should go. But he has chosen to go for his old players which in some way means that he is afraid to go into the unknown and prefers to go for the 'safe' options, for players he knows well from his old job.

About your last line, I have heard this before for Baines and Fellaini too. Fact is, inly United seems to be interested on them (well, in Coleman's case even that is still only a rumour). I don't think that neither of the teams you mentioned will be interested on him. Ivanovic and Zabaleta are better than him IMO while Sagna is on similar level but anyway I can see Wenger going for a cheap alternative from an another league if he decides to replace him.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Has Rafael been significantly more "injury prone" this season than our other players? His msot recent ailment was concussion, not exactly a relapse of a long standing fitness issue.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/14/manchester_united_injuries.html

Given a settled defence and greater freedom to our attacking play i think we'd see his performances being closer to those of last season.

 

[Ekeke]

Unfortunately Rafael's proneness to injury isnt a one season thing its been multiple seasons. A bang on the head is the least of his troubles. More of a problem is that since he came back from injury last time he's looked half the defender

 

[Rossa]

I don't really buy this "higher ceiling" stuff. I don't think it can be predicted with any kind of accuracy. I remember loads of posts about Anderson and his "high ceiling" and look how that turned out. Conversely, you often get players where something clicks in their mid twenties and they go on to become a much better player than anyone thought possible.

Not a criticism of Rafael - who I think is a very good player already - just the whole concept of making definitive statements about how good some players will or won't become.

Don't you think the "ceiling" stuff is there for scouts to judge the potential of a player? Everyone could see that Anderson had some serious potential, but he never capitalized on it. Some players click in their mid twenties, but mostly players are judged on their potential as teenagers, perhaps unfairly. Bekcham obviously didn't have the potential of say Giggs, but he raised his own ceiling through dedication and hard work.

Looking at their attributes, don't you think that Rafael has more in his locker, at a younger age even?

I'm slightly confused though - would you take Coleman instead of Rafael - money not an issue?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Straight swap? I think I would. Mainly on the basis of all the injuries. A close run thing though. I do rate Rafael very highly.

 

[johnmufc]

Coleman is a fine player, but quite disgusted to see so many United fans turn on Rafael. It's been a pleasure to see this talented, enthusiastic young player grow at United. He's been at the club since 17, and always has the right attitude on the pitch. People demand loyalty from the players, but refuse to show loyalty to the players. Baffling situation, especially when it's against players who've grown and established themselves at the club.

No surprise it's primarily the Irish posters and Moyes apologists sticking the knife into Rafael. Please, if you have a bias, have it for the players who've been at the club and have given us great memories. It's nauseating to contemplate the ways in which Moyes will gut this squad of its homegrown talent.

 

[Kag]

Coleman is a fine player, but quite disgusted to see so many United fans turn on Rafael. It's been a pleasure to see this talented, enthusiastic young player grow at United. He's been at the club since 17, and always has the right attitude on the pitch. People demand loyalty from the players, but refuse to show loyalty to the players. Baffling situation, especially when it's against players who've grown and established themselves at the club.

No surprise it's primarily the Irish posters and Moyes apologists sticking the knife into Rafael. Please, if you have a bias, have it for the players who've been at the club and have given us great memories. It's nauseating to contemplate the ways in which Moyes will gut this squad of its homegrown talent.

Completely agree.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Coleman is a fine player, but quite disgusted to see so many United fans turn on Rafael. It's been a pleasure to see this talented, enthusiastic young player grow at United. He's been at the club since 17, and always has the right attitude on the pitch. People demand loyalty from the players, but refuse to show loyalty to the players. Baffling situation, especially when it's against players who've grown and established themselves at the club.

No surprise it's primarily the Irish posters and Moyes apologists sticking the knife into Rafael. Please, if you have a bias, have it for the players who've been at the club and have given us great memories. It's nauseating to contemplate the ways in which Moyes will gut this squad of its homegrown talent.

I know you became a parody of yourself a long time ago, scholesy (and it is you, isn't it?) but is there any chance you could post a few examples of people on here "turning on" or "sticking the knife into" Rafael?

 

[Ekeke]

Wat

Whats turning against Rafael? Admitting he's underperformed and had too many injuries? Christ you are sensitive.

 

[Revan]

Wat

Whats turning against Rafael? Admitting he's underperformed and had too many injuries? Christ you are sensitive.

I guess it has more to do with people who want to sell him (not a lot of them though) and replace him with an another right back.

 

[Shimo]

Rafael's performances go along with the rest of the teams, a team sapped of confidence/focus for whatever reason. No one is at their best except DDG.

Looking at Rafael and Coleman, clearly there is divided opinion as to who is better, who has been able to play more games etc. Let's just call it a tie.

Then you look at other things, such as being able to put on the United shirt and handle the pressure that comes with it, clearly Rafael has proven that. Playing in big games against big players - he's handled the world's best at their best, talking about players like Ronaldo and Bale. He is not infallible but, to me I can't think of any right back that is streets ahead of him right now and in the same age bracket. So why replace him?

You have to bring Moyes into the discussion as to why bring in Coleman to replace Rafael. And it would be a replacement and not a case of backup or rotation. Defense is one place no manager rotates unless it's due to injury or not having a definite owner of the position and both these players are starters, not squad players. So the why to me the is the same reason as to why we so desperately went in for Baines so as to risk Fellaini's release clause expiring. Baines himself would have been a short term solution to Evra, maybe marginally giving us an improvement. He could have stuck with Evra from the off and looked to bring in a young understudy or two but, he was going for familiarity it seemed. Moyes himself said his involvement in transfers didn't start till July when he came in and the first thing we seemed to be doing was going in for Fellaini/Baines - we tied ourselves to that deal from the off - again that is Moyes going for what he knows.

All managers do it, go back to players that have played well for them. If it's for a position we are in real need for, then I can understand but, not when it's for a position we have one of the very best around who just is having a up and down season due to injury and overall team confidence.

To me would also raise the question as to how good Moyes is at man management if he is not able to get more out of Rafael then he is and as such looking to replace him like for like for the most part. Again if we assume both players ability wise are equal, then it comes down to Moyes not being able to get Rafael playing as he can.

It's hard enough getting players in positions we need, hope we don't spend another summer wasting time on players that would not improve us.

 

[devilish]

Well. He did make our players turns into zombier than before, failing to string basic pass, forgetting to defend, and seems to forget that they play football instead of sepak takraw.

But nah, it's the player, moyes is world class manager, once he gets his team we will be playing tiki total football taka and sweep 10 treble in a row. We will buy vidal, reus, gundogan, fabregas, and we will own every teams

Erm where the frek has I said that Moyes is a world class manager? FFS I've already said that he was the wrong choice.

You may not notice but our team has been in decline for years. You dont replace the likes of Giggs, Ronaldo and Scholes with the likes of Young, Valencia and Cleverley and expect the tem to keep on playing fantastic football. SAF and SAF ALONE kept this team winning and now that he's gone and other key players grew old (ex Evra, Rio etc) everything fell down like a house of cards.

Now do you want to blame it all on Moyes? Go ahead. However even if the manager is an idiot I expect the team not to turn against him. FFS these are professional players who are earning in a year more then someone earns in a life time. They should act in a professional way. Some of our defensive performance borders to the ridiculous. I am sure that our players can do much better then that.

If you ask me, at this level ANY player should have a competitor for his role, someone who keeps the so called first teamer on his toes. If the player doesn't like it tough luck. I am sure that he would find plenty of opportunities at teams like Wigan and Newcastle.

 

[Getsme]

Coleman is a fine player, but quite disgusted to see so many United fans turn on Rafael. It's been a pleasure to see this talented, enthusiastic young player grow at United. He's been at the club since 17, and always has the right attitude on the pitch. People demand loyalty from the players, but refuse to show loyalty to the players. Baffling situation, especially when it's against players who've grown and established themselves at the club.

No surprise it's primarily the Irish posters and Moyes apologists sticking the knife into Rafael. Please, if you have a bias, have it for the players who've been at the club and have given us great memories. It's nauseating to contemplate the ways in which Moyes will gut this squad of its homegrown talent.

Many - You make it sound like there's a witch hunt against him, he's been poor this season and like any other player deserves to be criticised. I'll ask you a question, are you happy that we have to rely on Smalling when Rafael is injured? Or, would you rather have a very good replacement who has the ability to push Rafael for his place.

Grown at the club. So because he's been at the club since he's been 17 means his place is guaranteed? What about Cleverly, Welbeck, Evans should they be guaranteed starters or never criticised? This home grown shite is stupid, if a player is good enough he will make it here, we have seen plenty of home grown players moved on or become fringe players.

Irish - Pathetic, there are many on here who would like us to buy another right back, not just the Irish, if Rafael is as good as we all think he is, then he should be able to see off any competition. As for the Moyes apologists remark, are you for real? I'm not a Moyes fan at the moment but I want us to sign another right back, like others on here, so guess you're wrong there as well.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

With all of the likely upheaval this summer and particularly the departure of players of some years service, we should want to have someone like Rafael at the core of any revival. He is someone people can see being a future leader of the team, you don't just throw that away.

 

[devilish]

I am sticking the knife against no one. If Rafael feels comfortable with Moyes then he should stay. However we do need another RB. Valencia, Smalling and Jones have been horrible in that position and Rafael does get injured alot.

Whether this new full back is Seamus remains in question. An an estimated price of 20-25m I think its too much for us.

 

[Getsme]

With all of the likely upheaval this summer and particularly the departure of players of some years service, we should want to have someone like Rafael at the core of any revival. He is someone people can see being a future leader of the team, you don't just throw that away.

Very few are saying he should be sold, most are saying we need to buy another RB.

 

[Ekeke]

I guess it has more to do with people who want to sell him (not a lot of them though) and replace him with an another right back.

Well I think I saw one person suggest selling him which is crazy and I immediately gave no notice to it. Most people want competition for him and a good standin for when he's injured, and he will be. The fact is he hasnt been good this season so shouldnt be immune to having his spot taken like the rest of them. Thats not turning against him, thats reality. Its all very good having a cute running style and being aggressive, but if you aren't performing well enough it wont change it.

Coleman is a better player, anyone who has watched him a couple of times will see he passes the ball better and dribbles better than Rafael at his best. Defensively sound too, just not as aggressive as Rafael. Unfortunately we don't know how Rafael will be in 1 year, back to his best or on the injured list again but chances are if he can't see off some good competition for his place then his fitness/ability combination werent good enough to be first choice here longterm.

 

[Revan]

Many - You make it sound like there's a witch hunt against him, he's been poor this season and like any other player deserves to be criticised. I'll ask you a question, are you happy that we have to rely on Smalling when Rafael is injured? Or, would you rather have a very good replacement who has the ability to push Rafael for his place.

There are people who want Rafael to be replaced (charley and Patrick at the top of my mind). There are a lot more who want us to sign Coleman which in turn means that Rafael will get sold.

Grown at the club. So because he's been at the club since he's been 17 means his place is guaranteed? What about Cleverly, Welbeck, Evans should they be guaranteed starters or never criticised? This home grown shite is stupid, if a player is good enough he will make it here, we have seen plenty of home grown players moved on or become fringe players.

He is much better than any of them in his current position. If Moyes decides to replace Jones with Jagielka (who is better at the moment) people will make a riot (despite Jones isn't near as good as Rafael and is neither grown here)

Irish - Pathetic, there are many on here who would like us to buy another right back, not just the Irish, if Rafael is as good as we all think he is, then he should be able to see off any competition. As for the Moyes apologists remark, are you for real? I'm not a Moyes fan at the moment but I want us to sign another right back, like others on here, so guess you're wrong there as well.

There is a tendancy to overrate British/Irish player here (which is understandable considering that the majority of posters here are British/Irish. If Coleman wasn't Irish I doubt that many people here would have wanted him to replace Rafael. I can understand wanting to replace Rafael if we find a young Lahm, but Coleman (who would cost at-least 20m) would be a completely retarded decision.

 

[Ekeke]

There are people who want Rafael to be replaced (charley and Patrick at the top of my mind). There are a lot more who want us to sign Coleman which in turn means that Rafael will get sold.

Did we sell Hernandez when we signed RVP?

 

[Revan]

Well I think I saw one person suggest selling him which is crazy and I immediately gave no notice to it. Most people want competition for him and a good standin for when he's injured, and he will be. The fact is he hasnt been good this season so shouldnt be immune to having his spot taken like the rest of them. Thats not turning against him, thats reality. Its all very good having a cute running style and being aggressive, but if you aren't performing well enough it wont change it.

If we sign Coleman for 20+m then Rafael will be sold. It doesn't make sense to keep two very good right backs (does any other club does it except Madrid on Coentrao/Marcelo case?) and we would need to fund somehow that signing. I wouldn't be against signing a young player to provide cover (or maybe even compete if Rafael doesn't play good) like Clyne or someone on that level but signing a top right back doesn't make sense. Preferrably I would have given Varela a chance, he looks very promising and I think is on about the same level as when Rafael started playing for us. If we sign Coleman (who is only 25) and keep Rafael then what was the point of signing 2 young right backs in the summer?!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

There is a tendancy to overrate British/Irish player here (which is understandable considering that the majority of posters here are British/Irish. If Coleman wasn't Irish I doubt that many people here would have wanted him to replace Rafael. I can understand wanting to replace Rafael if we find a young Lahm, but Coleman (who would cost at-least 20m) would be a completely retarded decision.

Serious money for a full-back. Is that because he's Irish?