Who made you that pedestal to stand on? You are no different than other posters here.Don't bother. Same guy who said we should play Darron Gibson because he stood by the club.
Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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Who made you that pedestal to stand on? You are no different than other posters here.Don't bother. Same guy who said we should play Darron Gibson because he stood by the club.
Don't bother. Same guy who said we should play Darron Gibson because he stood by the club.
It explains a lot of things then. The next one will be 'we should sell Van Persie in order to sign Robbie Keane'.
How many matches overall have Utd and Everton played in the last two season ? It would give a better view of their appearances/availability.
I don't know but I guess that United averages around 10 matches or so more than Everton (probably less when Everton were qualified for UEFA/Europa league). On the other side United under SAF (and also now under Moyes) is a team who rotates a lot and many times Rafael didn't played despite he was fit.
Ok. For the cheap seats. Rafael would have played more league games if he was less prone to injury. We've no idea if Coleman would have missed more league game if he had the extra cup games. Plenty of players cope fine. Plenty of players have bad injury records with/without those games. Rafael's been injury prone since he was in our reserves. How many games did they play each season?
Finally, Moyes has said nothing about any of this. For all we know this is made up nonsense. So what we feel about him as a manager irrelevant. Is it possible to discuss a player we're linked with without dredging up the same tedious shite about the manager that infests every thread on here?
Finally, Moyes has said nothing about any of this. For all we know this is made up nonsense. So what we feel about him as a manager irrelevant. Is it possible to discuss a player we're linked with without dredging up the same tedious shite about the manager that infests every thread on here?
The feck are you on about now you pasta-boycotting weirdo? When did Darron Gibson ever "stand by the club"? What a bizarre accusation.
It will be difficult to do so if the players in questions are downgrades from our players and the only reason we might sign them is because they know Moyes from his last job. I don't see anyone criticizing Moyes for being interested on Kroos or Herrera for example.
If people don't rate Coleman, that's fine. I was responding to your accusation that the only reason I rate Coleman was out of some desperate desire to defend Moyes. I think Coleman is an excellent player. This has naff all to do with David Moyes.
Who is saying Coleman is not an excellent player? Most posters are saying that Rafael is on a similar level, and if there is speculation that we are trying to sell Rafael and get Coleman, that's a terrible move from the club, and it is a terrible move.
Coleman has been arguably the best rightback in the league this season. Having said that I think Moyes should have realised by now that there's a huge difference between playing for Everton and Manchester United. Out there even if Coleman makes a couple of errors it's no big deal. But at United his every mistake will surgically dissected, ruthlessly magnified and become a matter of endless debate. The experience from signing Fellaini suggests that a player not used to playing at the highest level will probably be found out and ultimately wilt to insane amounts of pressure. Why fix something that's not broken ? Rafa's just lacking a bit of confidence right now like the rest of the team and will surely bounce back stronger. Additionally his ceiling is far beyond what Coleman can achieve and just last season he was second to only Zabaleta in the whole league for the RB position. The 15 million+ Coleman would cost us could be better used on other areas of immediate concern. Even if the urgency for a backup arises why not try out Varela or even Janko in some dead-rubber matches and then form an educated opinion on our right back needs.
Don't see why Moyes would sell Rafael unless the player wants to leave. He wouldn't fetch a big fee anyway - injury question marks, not in the Brazil squad yet. Bring in competition like Coleman and give Rafael more time at the club to see how he progresses.
On another topic, can Rafael play well on the left? Someone who can play both sides is extremely useful.
On another topic, can Rafael play well on the left? Someone who can play both sides is extremely useful.
When I saw this quoted I just knew who you would be on about.
Some sense. Thank you.
Snap.
Simply pulling up league appearances donest tell the full picture anyways. On my phone so I just checked stats for the 11-12 season, plenty of games when he was fit but didnt play. So its not as if injuries all the time. Sir alex rotated a lot.
Hey can we just update the thread to Rafael Da Silva | Injury prone?
Jesus wept. Rafael's not injury prone now?
Obession with stats and heat maps and the like seem to be rotting people's brains. Last season stood out because it was an exception from the norm. It looked like he was putting his injury problems behind him. Which was very encouraging. This season has brought back the old concerns. How people can even argue the toss about this is an absolute fecking mystery.
Obession with stats and heat maps and the like seem to be rotting people's brains. Last season stood out because it was an exception from the norm. It looked like he was putting his injury problems behind him. Which was very encouraging. This season has brought back the old concerns. How people can even argue the toss about this is an absolute fecking mystery.
Bringing in another right back is fine, but selling Rafael is stupid. If Moyes really is intent on doing that, it's another hint why the man should go before causing serious damage.
Coleman is a terrific player, but he'd cost an arm and a leg. You thought trying to get Baines was bad? It's just not a position we should be spending tons of money on right now.
Coleman is a terrific player, but he'd cost an arm and a leg. You thought trying to get Baines was bad? It's just not a position we should be spending tons of money on right now.
Thankfully some of you lot weren't around when Bryan Robson was playing.
I wasn't responding to your post, or commenting on Coleman.
It wasn't long ago that Rafael was putting in top class displays on a weekly basis. People shouldn't be so short sighted. Our players haven't just become shit.
It's always interesting the disparity between how United fans rate Rafael and how opposition fans rate him. People seem to like his attitude etc (like with Fabio) but I do think he's overrated on here.
Personally I'd stick with him and use Varela as back up, but he hasn't exactly done much to impress Moyes this season other then a few good games.
Personally I'd stick with him and use Varela as back up, but he hasn't exactly done much to impress Moyes this season other then a few good games.
Bryan Robson who only once played less than 30 league games in his first 8 seasons at the club?
Why do you ask? Were you round when he was playing?
I think fans in general are slow to accept that young footballers at rival clubs have turned a corner. Not until it's blindingly obvious anyway. Rafael's always been great going forward but capable of massive brainfarts in defence, up until very recently (the ball-watching leading up to the goal Munain scored for Athletic would have embarrassed a Sunday League fullback) For me, he really turned a corner last season. Solid in defence and great in attack. Has stalled a wee bit this season but will hopefully kick on again. One thing's for certain, when he's injured or out of form our backups really aren't up to scratch.
Rafael has never had to 'turn a corner.' That's not the issue. He's always been generally good with the odd mistake when he was younger and they've gradually been ironed out. He was better last season than this, but then who in the United team wasn't?
The reason why you feel rival fans don't rate him is because I don't think anyone outside United really sees him as being absolutely top class. He's just a good player. Not one that needs replacing at a top club - and that's a high compliment. There's just massive over-enthusiasm for how good he actually is on this forum.
Just out of curiosity, How do you rate Sagna or more importantly Coleman?
Sagna has generally been excellent this season after a poor previous season where he was still getting over his injuries. People forget he's broken his leg twice.
He's not flashy but he's one of the most solid full backs out there. Very much like Ivanovic in that respect.
Coleman is also good. Far more creative in an attacking sense but not as good defensively. Very suspect for me especially when Everton are up against it. I'm not sure he's ready for the knock-outs of the CL, for example.
Pogue - I saw your deleted post - it's true.A bit like Monreal then?
So I take it that they are both on par with Rafael?
I'm trying to play nice!Monreal isn't top tier - no pace and positionally suspect. Really good back-up though. Not a hugely noticeable drop off unless you're playing Bayern. Not as good as Gibbs which becomes apparent when you watch us consistently.
I'd rate Sagna above(based on everything except last season) and Coleman on the same level.
Apart from Rafael's questionable injury record, I don't really see why you'd replace him with Coleman to be honest. It'd be quite a pointless allocation of funds.
Actually, someone mentioned other clubs and back-up specialist fullbacks. Arsenal have one on each flank.
Why don't we change our whole backline because they are all (except Evra) probably more injury prone than Rafael, and neither of them had good season in last few years as Rafael did last year. If replacing Rafael makes logic, it definitely makes logic to replace every one of Jones, Smalling, Evans, Rio and Vidic. Plus lot of attacking players too.
So, to those who would replace him, would you replace all of those too? I really can't see any differences between those cases.
So, to those who would replace him, would you replace all of those too? I really can't see any differences between those cases.
It's also worth remembering that a major gripe this season has been central defenders at right back. I've no idea if Janko or Varela are ready to step up if/when Rafael next gets injured. I suspect not.
I think some of the issue here is that we have no reasonable back up for Rafael currently. Obviously Rafael is injury prone, there's no debating that, but if we had a natural back up I don't think his injury proneness would be as big of a deal as it is currently made out to be. Last season Rafael's injury record was very good so he obviously has it in him, and being only 23 you'd think it would improve as he gets older as well. I think having to throw Smalling at right back so often this season is starting to cloud some judgement on Rafael. I genuinely wouldn't trade a fit Rafael for anyone in the world in his position. Varela or another youth player needs to step up, or we need to invest in a cheapish right back to deputize for when Rafael does get injured. Selling him and bringing in an expensive right back isn't the answer, especially not when you consider all the other positions we need to addressing.
That's a fair point but we can cope with injury prone centre-back as we have five of them vying for two positions.
It wasn't always like that, I saw Carrick playing there few times over the years, but that didn't happen that often and I am more worried tthe form any of them is not good enough due the injuries. Just to clear, I think every one of them is quality enough, but they aren't playing at good level because of the injuries, and their lack of understanding has costed us points lot of times this and last season especially, probably more than playing Smalling at right back. At least Smalling and Jones at right back weren't bad defensively.
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