Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

[Kag]

Quite ridiculous how people are ready to get rid of the half the squad on the back one bad season.

Probably the same lot who preach about no loyalty in football these days...

All in the justification of the clown that is tearing this great squad apart.

 

[KingMinger22]

We are weak in too many other, more pressing positions to consider RB even sixth or seventh priority.

 

[Still ill]

All in the justification of the clown that is tearing this great squad apart.

Nice line. Are you a scriptwriter?

 

[Revan]

That's a fair point but we can cope with injury prone centre-back as we have five of them vying for two positions.

With Vidic and Rio leaving we have three. All of them are injury prone.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

I don't understand how anyone can think letting go of Rafael is a good idea. He is our best RB and our future RB. Unless he suffers a serious long term injury, it's his spot for years.

 

[Kag]

Nice line. Are you a scriptwriter?

Nah, at least not yet.

"David Moyes: The Great Manchester United Tragedy"

I think I'd have a winner right there. Adapted screenplay in the bag!

 

[Still ill]

You'll look a right tit when he hauls us to 4th spot glory on the final day of the season. Best have an alternate ending in the bag by then, buddy.

 

[Kag]

With Vidic and Rio leaving we have three. All of them are injury prone.

Few players are inherently injury prone. Smalling and Jones tend to pick up injuries, and I've always put that down to the fact that they have often played once every 3 weeks. More often than not, players with intermittent game time over-exert themselves in the aim of impressing the boss, and their bodies simply can't handle the intensity.

The more Smalling and Jones play the less likely they will be of picking up an injury, I'm sure of it. I firmly believe the madness of Sir Alex's overblown rotation policy came at a cost of player fitness, as well as form, which I've touched on before.

 

[Revan]

You'll look a right tit when he hauls us to 4th spot glory on the final day of the season. Best have an alternate ending in the bag by then, buddy.

Even if this happen (which I think has near zero chance of happening) it is cringeworthy when people are already saying 4th spot glory.

NB: It wasn't sarcasm, right?

 

[datura]

All in the justification of the clown that is tearing this great squad apart.

Worst post I've seen in quite a while, congrats.

 

[datura]

I don't understand how anyone can think letting go of Rafael is a good idea. He is our best RB and our future RB. Unless he suffers a serious long term injury, it's his spot for years.

Just because he's our best right back is never justification for not looking to improve the position. We bought Evra when we already had Heinze who was a similar crowd favourite. Only time tells if the decision is right or not.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

Just because he's our best right back is never justification for not looking to improve the position. We bought Evra when we already had Heinze who was a similar crowd favourite. Only time tells if the decision is right or not.

I never said we shouldn't look to improve. Where did I say that?

My point is about buying the same or less quality. Can you name a better available RB that isn't going to cost upwards of 20 million? Until there is one out there, it's Rafael's spot.

 

[Rozay]

He's been poor this season by his standards I think. Don't see any cause for concern as of yet though.

 

[Kag]

Worst post I've seen in quite a while, congrats.

Woe is me. My post was slightly baiting, I'll admit, it was always going to attract somebody like you. Congrats. However, I have a genuine distaste for the faction of supporters that are so readily happy to oversee the mass changing of a squad of players that have given them so much joy. Mostly, it really is in some kind of morally-bound duty to defend the manager. I have a huge belief in the vast majority of our squad, namely warriors like Rafael. There's no way I will enjoy or welcome what I suspect Moyes has planned, both on and off the field.

 

[BennyBlanco]

It's hardly up for debate that he needs to stay on the field more often, I've not seen anyone get taken off quite so often (between him and his brother), I swear over the years its been a running joke with my old man that we have 2 potential subs per match, the 3rd is invariably earmarked for taking Fabio/Rafael off at some point, I wouldn't... blame... Moyes for looking to see if there are more reliable options out there,
but, considering we have so many other areas of the squad to upgrade this summer, it really shouldn't be our first priority, selling him outright would be an awful decision.

 

[fishfingers15]

I don't think anybody would hold grudge against Moyes for bringing in competition/backup for Rafael. But the wisdom of letting go of Rafael and acquiring Coleman is bloody stupid and I hope it's not the one that Moyes has in his mind. It's simply defies logic. This isn't and shouldn't be about Moyes. I'm all for giving the manager time, but what about the players? Chuck Rafael under the bus for this season? What about Fletcher then? Send him packing too? Shocking stuff from some of you.

Comparing Rafael to Monreal is simply just idiotic.

 

[Dargonk]

Selling Rafael would be just dumb. He was one of our best performers last season, and this season has been solid for the most part as well when he has played. RB is the very least of our problems. Sure bring in competition for him, or a more ready back up than what we currently have, but selling him is the wrong thing to do.

 

[Gannicus]

Why is there all this talk of a buy at RB? Do we know longer have Varela in our stable?

 

[devilish]

Every player should have adequate cover/competition. I am sick of seeing Smalling playing as rb.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

The signing of a right back to the standard of Coleman would represent more than just back-up for Rafael, and that is all that we need in the squad. The ideal scenario would be either a competent enough youth product or Vidic's replacement being in the moult of O'Shea or Brown.

 

[fishfingers15]

Selling Rafael would be just dumb. He was one of our best performers last season, and this season has been solid for the most part as well when he has played. RB is the very least of our problems. Sure bring in competition for him, or a more ready back up than what we currently have, but selling him is the wrong thing to do.

Yes, I just can't see it. Hopefully it's just rumours.

 

[Nathan]

i wouldnt be in favour of a move like this, yes, Rafael hasnt had the best of seasons alongside others. So let's give youth a chance and watch him grow and develop, with age comes experience and i have no doubt that he is improving all the time.

 

[Sky1981]

Feck...

if Rafael is deemed as injury prone, not good enough, and should be sold

What does that makes Moyes?

I'd rather we ditch Moyes, he's thinking of importing all everton sides into the current United and his long term goals are probably collecting paycheck for another 5 years while thinking that attaining 4th is job well done. Rafael Da Silva ffs... it's not as if we're brining World class RB, seamus fecking coleman... seriously... and Everton RB is now considered an upgrade to our Rafael who has played in most of our big match? I can understand if Rafael wants a new challenge or looking for a transfer, but the lad is happy playing for us, and this rumors (if its indeed false) is a very unnecessary distraction for him, and if this rumor is true... then good god... we should sack moyes asap.

He's scouting all Europe and all he can conjure is Baines / Fellaini / Coleman, 3 players from Everton. I don't understand why he's watching Bayern / Barca match, any manager worth their salt would have a complete dossier of those 2 teams' players (oh wait... Everton never played the big boys before), it doesn't need a live match to know that their player (if we can obtain them) will be an improve to our squad (probably bar strikers).

What is exactly his long term plan? I'm seriously curious, is he planning to get us to play like Everton? Full back lumping crosses? Because if the "dreams" of Moyes' supporter is to materialises (i.e. proper attacking and exciting football), brining in Seamus Coleman is the last of his worry.

 

[Nighteyes]

All in the justification of the clown that is tearing this great squad apart.

I am pro-Moyes and would like to see him stay and vindicate the faith Sir Alex showed in him. But that does not mean I have to agree with everything he and the club does and pretend like there's nothing wrong with it.

I don't even see how Rafael has been 'poor' this season. He's not been as good as last season and has had a couple of average games but how anyone can say he's had a poor season is fecking beyond me. He was brilliant last season, both defensively and offensively and replacing him with Seamus Coleman is just madness. If we're going to get rid of of our young player as soon a they have one below par season then we might as well give up.

We didn't have to play a CB at RB every time Rafael got injured. We had a backup RB who never played and was eventually sold. We now have Varela, who incidentally has lots of Rafael like qualities. Let's give him a go if Rafaeal is injured rather than playing Smalling there and moaning about not having a backup.

 

[Mauzindark]

With all due respect some people want Rafa replaced simply because he's injured too often. By that measure a lot of the others should be let go. The likes of Jonah and Smalling have started about the same number of games as Rafael this season. Why move the goal-posts for them ? And what about Fletcher.. He's been crock for three seasons and is 6 years older than Rafa. But he gets the sympathy vote from Moyes being of the same nationality and there's talks of him being club captain when he can't even justify starting in our rather poor midfield. Might as well ship him out too. There needs to be a uniform barometer that applies to all players. I have a feeling that this isn't about Manchester United any more. It's about Moyesy and his vendetta to surround himself with his fawning cronies from Everton who won't question his decision-making and rugby tactics. At this rate IMO it would be wiser to have a Director of Football so that the damage dealt to squad isn't severe enough to cripple the next manager. We should also be very mindful of placing our trust in Moyessy wrt the "warchest".

 

[BennyBlanco]

With all due respect some people want Rafa replaced simply because he's injured too often. By that measure a lot of the others should be let go. The likes of Jonah and Smalling have started about the same number of games as Rafael this season. Why move the goal-posts for them ? And what about Fletcher.. He's been crock for three seasons and is 6 years older than Rafa. But he gets the sympathy vote from Moyes being of the same nationality and there's talks of him being club captain when he can't even justify starting in our rather poor midfield. Might as well ship him out too. There needs to be a uniform barometer that applies to all players. I have a feeling that this isn't about Manchester United any more. It's about Moyesy and his vendetta to surround himself with his fawning cronies from Everton who won't question his decision-making and rugby tactics.

Yes... but all the players you mentioned there, Jones, Smalling, Fletcher aren't considered by most here as automatic starters, Rafael is.. that's the difference in why some are questioning if his durability as an issue or not, also at this point it's just speculation that we'd even consider outright selling him or if we're going to fork over sizeable amounts for Coleman etc.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Just because he's our best right back is never justification for not looking to improve the position. We bought Evra when we already had Heinze who was a similar crowd favourite. Only time tells if the decision is right or not.

Aye. Plus we had Silvestre. A better LB than any of the alternatives we have to Rafael on the right.

Not every signing has to fill an obvious vacancy and not every fan favourite is the best long-term option.

Remains to be seen if there's any substance to this and, personally, I think it would be a shame if Rafael left (even though I rate Coleman very highly) As we've seen so many times since Fergie left, the hysterical overreaction on here about every decision Moyes makes (even the hypothetical ones!) is laughable.

 

[Getsme]

We are weak in too many other, more pressing positions to consider RB even sixth or seventh priority.

We need cover though and we need it fast. When we are forced to play Smalling at RB it hurts our attacking play, I agree that it's not our first priority, however it needs sorted in the summer.
I'm not saying it has to be Coleman but it certainly needs to be someone of quality, the last thing we need is another 'Buttner' type player as cover.

 

[Sky1981]

We need cover though and we need it fast. When we are forced to play Smalling at RB it hurts our attacking play, I agree that it's not our first priority, however it needs sorted in the summer.
I'm not saying it has to be Coleman but it certainly needs to be someone of quality, the last thing we need is another 'Buttner' type player as cover.

Fabio + Varela = Natural Right Back
Smailing + Jones + Valencia = Can play there even if it's not optimal

We have more than enough cover for full back. I can argue if we're barcelona and we simply don't have many positions that needs strengthening and start nitpicking players for world class upgrade. But we are crying out for midfielder, winger, and potentially a world class CB, why Rafael? If we sold him and bought Seamus Coleman, we're back to square one, one very good RB and no back up.

Moyes sold Fabio without giving him proper chance (a player who play in the CL Final, something any Everton Player can only dream off), didn't rate Varela, not even to give him any cameo and rather play out of position Smailing (which hurts his development as a natural CB)

Seriously, and people still claim it's a smart move? We've lost Rio, Vidic, possibly Evra in the summer and we've offloaded Fabio, Zaha, and potentially Rafael.... how on earth do you visualise we buying 10+ players for next season? And I can already picture next season some Moyes' brigade will keep on harping how he's far from having a full squad and the shit cycle of football is once again justified.

How can Rafael is deemed not good enough is beyond me, if he's injury prone buy a cover to rest him in between, not simply selling him for 10M and bought the same replacement for 20M, and spent another 10M for his backup.

It could have been just a rumor, but if it is indeed in the back of Moyes' head, I really wonder what's inside of his brain.

 

[devilish]

Feck...

if Rafael is deemed as injury prone, not good enough, and should be sold

What does that makes Moyes?

I'd rather we ditch Moyes, he's thinking of importing all everton sides into the current United and his long term goals are probably collecting paycheck for another 5 years while thinking that attaining 4th is job well done. Rafael Da Silva ffs... it's not as if we're brining World class RB, seamus fecking coleman... seriously... and Everton RB is now considered an upgrade to our Rafael who has played in most of our big match? I can understand if Rafael wants a new challenge or looking for a transfer, but the lad is happy playing for us, and this rumors (if its indeed false) is a very unnecessary distraction for him, and if this rumor is true... then good god... we should sack moyes asap.

He's scouting all Europe and all he can conjure is Baines / Fellaini / Coleman, 3 players from Everton. I don't understand why he's watching Bayern / Barca match, any manager worth their salt would have a complete dossier of those 2 teams' players (oh wait... Everton never played the big boys before), it doesn't need a live match to know that their player (if we can obtain them) will be an improve to our squad (probably bar strikers).

What is exactly his long term plan? I'm seriously curious, is he planning to get us to play like Everton? Full back lumping crosses? Because if the "dreams" of Moyes' supporter is to materialises (i.e. proper attacking and exciting football), brining in Seamus Coleman is the last of his worry.

There's a big difference between being injury prone and being shit. Rafael is the former and not the latter.

Giggs used to get injured alot when he was in his 20s. In my opinion that was one of the reasons why we didn't fared too well in the CL back then. This issue was sorted by bringing Blomqvist in the team who have Ryan a bit of breather. Rafael reminds me alot of Giggs to be honest ie, his problem lie more in the nature of the game (Ryan relied too much on his pace, Rafael wouldn't thing twice to fully commit himself into a challenge without thinking if its really necessary/if he's going to get injured) rather then any career threatening injury. Once Rafael mature enough he'll improve.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't bring cover/competitor for him. Actually I think that Manchester United's biggest problem is that they have too many players who are in their comfort zone with no one really challenging them for a first team place.

 

[devilish]

Fabio + Varela = Natural Right Back
Smailing + Jones + Valencia = Can play there even if it's not optimal

We have more than enough cover for full back. I can argue if we're barcelona and we simply don't have many positions that needs strengthening and start nitpicking players for world class upgrade. But we are crying out for midfielder, winger, and potentially a world class CB, why Rafael? If we sold him and bought Seamus Coleman, we're back to square one, one very good RB and no back up.

Moyes sold Fabio without giving him proper chance (a player who play in the CL Final, something any Everton Player can only dream off), didn't rate Varela, not even to give him any cameo and rather play out of position Smailing (which hurts his development as a natural CB)

Seriously, and people still claim it's a smart move? We've lost Rio, Vidic, possibly Evra in the summer and we've offloaded Fabio, Zaha, and potentially Rafael.... how on earth do you visualise we buying 10+ players for next season? And I can already picture next season some Moyes' brigade will keep on harping how he's far from having a full squad and the shit cycle of football is once again justified.

How can Rafael is deemed not good enough is beyond me, if he's injury prone buy a cover to rest him in between, not simply selling him for 10M and bought the same replacement for 20M, and spent another 10M for his backup.

It could have been just a rumor, but if it is indeed in the back of Moyes' head, I really wonder what's inside of his brain.

Fabio is gone and he was injury prone. Varela has yet to play for us. The rest play as efficiently in that role as Rooney does. We don't have cover for right back.

Selling Rafael would be stupid UNLESS he wants to leave or he's against the Moyes project. Lets face it, I dont think that he's thrilled that he's brother has been sold.

 

[Sky1981]

There's a big difference between being injury prone and being shit. Rafael is the former and not the latter.

Giggs used to get injured alot when he was in his 20s. In my opinion that was one of the reasons why we didn't fared too well in the CL back then. This issue was sorted by bringing Blomqvist in the team who have Ryan a bit of breather. Rafael reminds me alot of Giggs to be honest ie, his problem lie more in the nature of the game (Ryan relied too much on his pace, Rafael wouldn't thing twice to fully commit himself into a challenge without thinking if its really necessary/if he's going to get injured) rather then any career threatening injury. Once Rafael mature enough he'll improve.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't bring cover/competitor for him. Actually I think that Manchester United's biggest problem is that they have too many players who are in their comfort zone with no one really challenging them for a first team place.

Thing is, the rumor (rumor i know) is that Moyes are planing to offload Rafael. Which imo gets us back to square one, one first team RB and no backup

We don't have many problems with Rafael so far, he's not a beast like lahm or evra, but the only time I can justify selling him and bringing in replacement is when we we're runner up with a narrow margin of defeat, that is when you start milking for minor improvement.

So far we're 7th of the top, there's many more pressing issue than spending our warchest and attention on a minimal improvement (if there is actually improvement) of swapping an RB for an RB.

Besides, can't we get a young hot prospect (borrowing FM term) from south america, Europe's U21, or other young / cheaper options to properly rotate Rafael?

I'm really baffled. And why does it has to be Everton player? We're buying a proven (debatable) EPL RB at premium value from Everton while selling a more proven RB that has feature in CL final , 2 years younger, loves the club, and has multiple EPL medal to his name.

MIND-BOGGLING

 

[devilish]

Thing is, the rumor (rumor i know) is that Moyes are planing to offload Rafael. Which imo gets us back to square one, one first team RB and no backup

We don't have many problems with Rafael so far, he's not a beast like lahm or evra, but the only time I can justify selling him and bringing in replacement is when we we're runner up with a narrow margin of defeat, that is when you start milking for minor improvement.

So far we're 7th of the top, there's many more pressing issue than spending our warchest and attention on a minimal improvement (if there is actually improvement) of swapping an RB for an RB.

Besides, can't we get a young hot prospect (borrowing FM term) from south america, Europe's U21, or other young / cheaper options to properly rotate Rafael?

I'm really baffled. And why does it has to be Everton player? We're buying a proven (debatable) EPL RB at premium value from Everton while selling a more proven RB that has feature in CL final , 2 years younger, loves the club, and has multiple EPL medal to his name.

MIND-BOGGLING

The situation seem pretty obvious here. Some key players are not buying Moyes project and since the club seem to stick to him, then they will have to leave. I wont be surprised if Rafael is not happy with Moyes. He sold his brother without even giving him a chance.

RB is a priority. We need a quality cover for the Brazilian as its evident that he gets injured alot and none of the other options are good enough. Priority level get even higher if my allegations are true. Now whether we should spend 25m on Seamus is another issue altogether. However I can't really blame Moyes for wanting players he can trust. FFS the way the defense is acting at the moment reminds me less of a champions defense and more of the red wedding. We all know that players like Rio, Rafael, Evra and Vidic can defend much better then do.

We can bitch as much as we want (I do) but Moyes is the manager now. Since the owners are set to stick to him then the players have to be professional and accept that. If the players are not able to work with him then they should be shown the door irrespective if they are Bebe, Rafael or Ronaldo level.

 

[Getsme]

Fabio + Varela = Natural Right Back
Smailing + Jones + Valencia = Can play there even if it's not optimal

We have more than enough cover for full back. I can argue if we're barcelona and we simply don't have many positions that needs strengthening and start nitpicking players for world class upgrade. But we are crying out for midfielder, winger, and potentially a world class CB, why Rafael? If we sold him and bought Seamus Coleman, we're back to square one, one very good RB and no back up.

Moyes sold Fabio without giving him proper chance (a player who play in the CL Final, something any Everton Player can only dream off), didn't rate Varela, not even to give him any cameo and rather play out of position Smailing (which hurts his development as a natural CB)

Seriously, and people still claim it's a smart move? We've lost Rio, Vidic, possibly Evra in the summer and we've offloaded Fabio, Zaha, and potentially Rafael.... how on earth do you visualise we buying 10+ players for next season? And I can already picture next season some Moyes' brigade will keep on harping how he's far from having a full squad and the shit cycle of football is once again justified.

How can Rafael is deemed not good enough is beyond me, if he's injury prone buy a cover to rest him in between, not simply selling him for 10M and bought the same replacement for 20M, and spent another 10M for his backup.

It could have been just a rumor, but if it is indeed in the back of Moyes' head, I really wonder what's inside of his brain.

Fabio now plays for Cardiff, Varela has no real experience, Smalling has been a disaster at RB as has a Jones, Valencia is an winger yet is our best cover for RB.
I'm not saying Rafael isn't good enough, but a bit of competition wouldn't do him any harm would it?
I'd rather have two very good RB's than one with an average back up. It doesn't work in modern football. We need an as good replacement in each position if we we are to compete at the highest level. Competition is healthy, if a player doesn't want to fight for his place it says a lot about his character.

 

[fishfingers15]

Fabio now plays for Cardiff, Varela has no real experience, Smalling has been a disaster at RB as has a Jones, Valencia is an winger yet is our best cover for RB.
I'm not saying Rafael isn't good enough, but a bit of competition wouldn't do him any harm would it?
I'd rather have two very good RB's than one with an average back up. It doesn't work in modern football. We need an as good replacement in each position if we we are to compete at the highest level. Competition is healthy, if a player doesn't want to fight for his place it says a lot about his character.

Playing brain dead football week after week with a squad that won the Premiership last season is also not on in modern football. Let's get real for a second, nobody is opposing bringing in another RB purchase, but the rumours that we keep hearing about involves selling a like for a like RB for another. It doesn't improve any darn thing with the squad.

 

[Sky1981]

The situation seem pretty obvious here. Some key players are not buying Moyes project and since the club seem to stick to him, then they will have to leave. I wont be surprised if Rafael is not happy with Moyes. He sold his brother without even giving him a chance.

RB is a priority. We need a quality cover for the Brazilian as its evident that he gets injured alot and none of the other options are good enough. Priority level get even higher if my allegations are true. Now whether we should spend 25m on Seamus is another issue altogether. However I can't really blame Moyes for wanting players he can trust. FFS the way the defense is acting at the moment reminds me less of a champions defense and more of the red wedding. We all know that players like Rio, Rafael, Evra and Vidic can defend much better then do.

We can bitch as much as we want (I do) but Moyes is the manager now. Since the owners are set to stick to him then the players have to be professional and accept that. If the players are not able to work with him then they should be shown the door irrespective if they are Bebe, Rafael or Ronaldo level.

That is very dangerous.

I suspect RvP and Kagawa doesn't think much of him either. And there's possibility more than just those 2 are probably gonna wait and see

Do we risk selling all said players and really put all our chips on Moyes? When he gets his way in the next 2-3 years we will be Everton. If anyone here can't picture the magnanimosity of the situation, imagine Everton right now, and they're where we will be minus the prestige and the stadium and past glory.

I wonder what it takes for the management to see that we are going into danger zone and if Moyes doesn't work 2-3 years from now, it's going to be an expensive way home

 

[Sky1981]

Fabio now plays for Cardiff, Varela has no real experience, Smalling has been a disaster at RB as has a Jones, Valencia is an winger yet is our best cover for RB.
I'm not saying Rafael isn't good enough, but a bit of competition wouldn't do him any harm would it?
I'd rather have two very good RB's than one with an average back up. It doesn't work in modern football. We need an as good replacement in each position if we we are to compete at the highest level. Competition is healthy, if a player doesn't want to fight for his place it says a lot about his character.

Oh come on, watch him play regular football and cement (er... that seems vulgar) his place in the cardiff starting Eleven. Moyes hardly give him a chance, he may / may not be the player we all thought he is, but at least give him a proper chance of 90 minutes to display what he can offer.

So... a player who plays in the CL final is not good enough for "Back up" player ? You think we're Fifa all star?

Again you miss the point, it's not bringing back up that we're against, but selling our first team RB for a lesser (albeit less injury prone) RB for potentially a financial net loss. All that for what? We're not sugar daddies, we can't afford choping and changing less prioritized area just for the sake of it.

 

[devilish]

That is very dangerous.

I suspect RvP and Kagawa doesn't think much of him either. And there's possibility more than just those 2 are probably gonna wait and see

Do we risk selling all said players and really put all our chips on Moyes? When he gets his way in the next 2-3 years we will be Everton. If anyone here can't picture the magnanimosity of the situation, imagine Everton right now, and they're where we will be minus the prestige and the stadium and past glory.

I wonder what it takes for the management to see that we are going into danger zone and if Moyes doesn't work 2-3 years from now, it's going to be an expensive way home

the short answer for that is....yes

There's only one thing which is worse then a bad manager ie players who think that they can commit coup d'etat and get away with it. Irrespective on whether Moyes should remain or not, I hope that the club will identify these players and get rid off them. A great manager would surely not want players who gang against him when things start not going their way.

 

[Getsme]

Playing brain dead football week after week with a squad that won the Premiership last season is also not on in modern football. Let's get real for a second, nobody is opposing bringing in another RB purchase, but the rumours that we keep hearing about involves selling a like for a like RB for another. It doesn't improve any darn thing with the squad.

Eh? I didn't say it was.
I don't listen to rumours, what's the point. I can however understand why Moyes would want to have like for like players in terms of quality for all positions, at the risk of repeating myself we need that type of squad to compete at the highest level. Forget about the starting 11 for a second and look at our bench in comparison to Barcelona, Munich, City, some of those players would stroll into our starting 11 let alone our bench, that's the level we need to be at.

 

[Sky1981]

the short answer for that is....yes

There's only one thing which is worse then a bad manager ie players who think that they can commit coup d'etat and get away with it. Irrespective on whether Moyes should remain or not, I hope that the club will identify these players and get rid off them. A great manager would surely not want players who gang against him when things start not going their way.

Although principle wise that is true, that is not always the case.

a Coup d'etat can be a start of a long prosperous reign (as history has shown many times in the past). Off course it's a very extreme cases, but to there has to be a defining line of when a coup d'etat is warranted, and Imo moyes is on a really thin line.

Most of our players will have no problems finding new clubs should , Moyes will have problems finding new clubs that's as big as United. Infact he'll probably ended up in managerial black hole and sucked into obscenity if this job of his fails. I say he got more going on in this than the players.