He's been as rash as he was in his first season, charging out of defence to close someone down and leaving big gaps. He cut that out last year
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He's been as rash as he was in his first season, charging out of defence to close someone down and leaving big gaps. He cut that out last year
Offensively he's been disappointing in general. Can't cross anymore and dwells on the ball.
Moyes said he had a concussion. I guess the FA cup break came at the perfect time for him really.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/united-stand-podcast-andy-mitten-3131184
Is Andy Mitten implying that Moyes intends to sell Rafael? The way he replies from 4:50-5:20 appears to be suggestive of that. Also the well of support amongst match goers doesn't sound as strong as that of the Caf.
And whilst Coleman is having a very good season i'm not sure that Moyes returning to Everton for another signing will go down well.
Is Andy Mitten implying that Moyes intends to sell Rafael? The way he replies from 4:50-5:20 appears to be suggestive of that. Also the well of support amongst match goers doesn't sound as strong as that of the Caf.
And whilst Coleman is having a very good season i'm not sure that Moyes returning to Everton for another signing will go down well.
He too often injured at this point. Selling him is not the worst idea.
Coleman is having more than one very good season.
Selling him would be a ridiculous idea. Rafael is brilliant at link-up play not just lumping in an early hopefully cross. We seriously gave to start playing to the strengths of the lads we have rather than forcing them to play to a rigid template that none of them suit.
5th highest number of appearances among out of the entire squad last season, and that only beaten by four games in the cases of Evra and Carrick.
And yet, too often injured.
If we end up doing another desperate raid of Everton for a player that wouldn't give us much more than we already have, I'll be very annoyed. Coleman is good and there isn't a clear cut who is better right now between the two, so I'd really wonder what is the reasoning for spending money to get little to no improvement and use up any favors from Everton when we could come back to that well maybe later when they do a have a player that would improve our squad.
Obviously I also do have an unnatural man crush on Rafael but, I do think I am being objective when I say "Wtf are we doing getting rid of the wrong players".
Obviously I also do have an unnatural man crush on Rafael but, I do think I am being objective when I say "Wtf are we doing getting rid of the wrong players".
I'd be gutted if he was sold, he's a fantastic player but he needs to have competition for his place. That would hopefully give him the kick up the arse that he needs. He seems to be United through and through and don't for a second think he wouldn't be up for the challenge.
I like the idea of bringing in Coleman. Very good player, good age, plus we could certainly do with competition for Rafael. I don't think either of them are good enough to be guaranteed starters yet.
Selling Rafael though? Really stupid idea. 1) Rafael is roughly as good as the player we'd bring in, so little if any improvement, 2) we'd then be looking for cover for Coleman anyway, 3) of all the positions that need strengthening RB is maybe fifth or sixth on the list, 4) there'll be so much change in our back four (and squad) generally that further unnecessary departures seem dangerous, 5) Rafael is a good character by all accounts.
Would be very strange and dissapointing if Moyes decides that selling Rafael is one of the key changes that'll take us back to the top again.
Selling Rafael though? Really stupid idea. 1) Rafael is roughly as good as the player we'd bring in, so little if any improvement, 2) we'd then be looking for cover for Coleman anyway, 3) of all the positions that need strengthening RB is maybe fifth or sixth on the list, 4) there'll be so much change in our back four (and squad) generally that further unnecessary departures seem dangerous, 5) Rafael is a good character by all accounts.
Would be very strange and dissapointing if Moyes decides that selling Rafael is one of the key changes that'll take us back to the top again.
You say that like Coleman isn't.
So what if he is? Does that justify selling Rafael to bring in Coleman possibly spending more money in the process?
It's amusing how defensive people are of Rafael on here and how they struggle to deal with the fact there are other RBs around at his level and even better, as well as not being as injury prone.
We need a backup RB, which we might already have in the shape of Varela in the reserves.
Getting rid of Rafael is madness. Last season he was the 2nd best RB in the league if not the best.
Getting rid of Rafael is madness. Last season he was the 2nd best RB in the league if not the best.
You mean a rigid template like actually staying fit or being consistently reliable defensively? If Rafael gets shafted then he has himself to blame. Most of us like Rafael but the opinion on him is shifting fast, especially whilst the likes of Coleman are putting in top class displays on a weekly basis.
Quite ridiculous how people are ready to get rid of the half the squad on the back one bad season.
Probably the same lot who preach about no loyalty in football these days...
Probably the same lot who preach about no loyalty in football these days...
What's even more amusing is to entertain the thought of selling Rafael and not sort out the more obvious problems in the squad. End of last season, Rafael was arguably one of the best players in the league. God forbid we apply the same standards to Johnny Evans and some other Irish players, some of you lot here would explode with rage.
Certainly not as good as Rafael.
Rafael has played 59 games in the last two seasons while Coleman has played 58 games. But yeah, some legends never die.
Well it would be down the list of issues if I was manager but I don't think fans can complain too much if Moyes does bring in someone who isn't as injury prone and is more reliable defensively to replace him or give him some competition.
And it would probably mean we'd see the end of Smalling or Jones being shunted out to RB which can only be a good thing.
And it would probably mean we'd see the end of Smalling or Jones being shunted out to RB which can only be a good thing.
hehe...so true...you want to get rid of Rafael who is in bad form but yet keep players like Cleverly, Young, Valencia and others who clearly don't cut it as players on United if this club wants to thrive to be one of the best in the world.
Depends how much it bothers you when the club spends money.
I'd rate Coleman as at least as good a fullback as Rafael. The comment about crosses was a completely irrelevant whinge about Moyes tactics.
Not a problem area of the squad when Rafael is fit and available but don't know why people are acting so butt-hurt about what is at worst, a like for like replacement with a much better injury record.
I can see why Moyes might look for someone who is a better natural defender than Rafael is he intends to play Mata and Januzaj in the same team, or at least someone not as pointless as Valencia.
The problem is we won't get a huge fee and an upgrade will cost a significant fee, so what's the point? If Rafael is on the list of players Moyes wants rid of, there's not going to be many left. He can't just get rid of everyone, he has to help players progress himself.
Coleman is a good player, playing well in a team who are also playing well. Rafael is also a good player, having an ok season in a struggling team. I'd rather not sell him, we need to keep any talent we've got.
The problem is we won't get a huge fee and an upgrade will cost a significant fee, so what's the point? If Rafael is on the list of players Moyes wants rid of, there's not going to be many left. He can't just get rid of everyone, he has to help players progress himself.
Coleman is a good player, playing well in a team who are also playing well. Rafael is also a good player, having an ok season in a struggling team. I'd rather not sell him, we need to keep any talent we've got.
Yeah, people would be up in arms if we were linked with a talented young central midfielder, or winger.
Oh wait... they wouldn't.
Because the majority of people think that Rafael is better.
Because all people here last season thought that Rafael is better and just because he is not having as a good season as last season (which is the case for all other players bar Rooney) doesn't make him a worse player.
Because he has been here for 6 years, loves United and is one of fan favorites.
And despite the myths, in the last 5 seasons (since Coleman went to Everton) he has played only 7 games less than Coleman (which is about one less game per season). He is also 2 years younger than Coleman. And we have at-least 6 other positions (and a few backup positions) that we need to improve first. Also we have a limited budget and spending 15-20m in a player who isn't as good as Rafael and is 2 years older doesn't make sense depsite he may be one of manager's friend. Believe it or not, there are still a few people here who support United, not David Moyes.
Sums it up nicely.
Why not bid £20-25m for Courtois as well while we're at it, after all De Gea might need some competition.
Good post.
Who knows. If De Gea makes another mistake Moyes might not fancy him enough and bid for Howard. I can see a lot of people here who would be happy with that.
No idea where you plucked those stats from but they're nonsense. Or deliberately misleading.
Coleman only joined Everton in January '09 and was used sparingly for the rest of that season, including a stint at Blackpool on loan.
In his three full seasons with Everton before this one he played 34, 18 and 26 league games. 23 so far this season.
Rafael has played 16, 12, 28 and 11 league games in the same seasons.
Spot a pattern there?
Sorry, I didn't know that UCL, FA Cup and Carling Cup doesn't count in your book.
No idea where you plucked those stats from but they're nonsense. Or deliberately misleading.
Coleman only joined Everton in January '09 and was used sparingly for the rest of that season, including a stint at Blackpool on loan.
In his three full seasons with Everton before this one he played 34, 18 and 26 league games. 23 so far this season.
Rafael has played 16, 12, 28 and 11 league games in the same seasons.
Spot a pattern there?
Bring us our Timmy back!
We need rid of Moyes asap before he does any more damage.
Yeah, I'm sure Seamus Coleman racked up a load of appearances in the UCL these past few years. Not to mention Everton matching United's number of fixtures in domestic cup competitions.
I mean, come on. Do you even think before posting stuff like that? If you're going to make comparisons, you have to compare like with like.
Coleman's had 1 season where he has been better than Rafael, this one. how's that enough to merit a move for him? If Rafael continues to be injury prone in year or 2, maybe yes but he was fit for the majority of Last season and with his age, it should get better Even though he has struggled this year. I also firmly believe that he's the bigger talent.
As amol said, him loving the club is a big plus as is his attitude on the pitch.
I'd actually be pissed if we ended up paying 20mil on Coleman and sold Rafael for 10 Elsewhere.
As amol said, him loving the club is a big plus as is his attitude on the pitch.
I'd actually be pissed if we ended up paying 20mil on Coleman and sold Rafael for 10 Elsewhere.
So, those games shouldn't count for Rafael then? And injuries he gets in those extra games (which Coleman can't get injured there because he doesn't play in the first place) doesn't affect him in the league?
Do you think what you post or simply jump to defend Moyes' decisions (or speculations about what he might do in the future)?
You're dragging me down to your level now. This is painful. Seriously, think about what you just wrote.
Are you serious? So Rafael playing in those matches should somehow not count then? Some cheek there, having a go at another poster having to think before posting. Listen, not everyone is whinging about Moyes, but even they would be alarmed if we let go of Rafael on the back of this season (when everyone is having a pretty shit season) to get Coleman who hasn't played in Europe that much.
Stupid post, and since you've come back, it seems that you are on some sort of crusade to defend Moyes at all costs. It's only slightly less tiring than the Moyes out posts by whingers here. Terrible post. Sorry.
Good advice. Selling one of our best players just because our manager might think that a player from his old club is better is a stupid decision. Were you talking about this?
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