So you would rather sell two players who regularly get over 25 goals a season and keep Welbeck who has only hit double figures twice in his entire career?
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So you would rather sell two players who regularly get over 25 goals a season and keep Welbeck who has only hit double figures twice in his entire career?
I'd choose your words carefully there. We're only three games in ffs.
Its about buliding a team with balance, not all three of them can hit 25 + in a season, in the same team. Welbeck offers something that none of those other three do.
I agree with pretty much everything @santeria13 said.
Di Maria definitely is not first and foremost a winger. As I said, Di Maria is a very good yet inconsistent winger, and is a world class CM. His work ethic of getting back and pushing on is perfect and is exactly what we need. We lack penetration and someone to carry the ball from midfield and he can add that in abundance. Not playing him at CM will waste a lot of his talent and it was the reason why we bought him (see vs. Burnley).
You mention injuries, but you forget that the team I posted was our best team. It would be impossible to put the team accounting for injuries, as that obviously changes. Formations also can change to adapt to the team and there is little difference between the various formations.
If you look at what LVG has done so far, my team/formation is a lot more realistic than yours. Unless RVP does get injured or Rooney is moved to MF permanently, we will play with two strikers. If we were to buy Reus next year, I would advocate a 433, but I would still play Di Maria at CM.
By the way, Rooney has pretty much always been a second striker of some sort. He and Falcao/RVP would make a good top two.
People are not complaining about the fact we have Falcao though.
No, they are complaining because we've sold an average striker with a shocking goal to game ratio all because he is a "local lad". The lad will score goals at Arsenal but the meltdown by the masses is embarrassing.
Bergkamp only scored 87 in 315 Arsenal appearences. I guess he was average too.
But a very good goal to minute ratio.
Wilson can offer the same thing as Welbeck did. According to reports last week the reason Welbeck left was because he was told Wilson was ahead of him in the pecking order. He has more potential than Welbeck ever did so that's a good call by LVG if it's true.
Or because he is a very talented player who will offer Arsenal a lot more than just goals. I'm sure a lot of players would struggle with their 'goal to game ratio' had they played wide a lot and had strikers like Rooney, RVP and an early Hernandez in their way.
It's not just because he is a local lad. He is a local lad who is very talented and gave 100% every game. SAF would say the exact same thing. How many strikers make it through the academy into the first team here?
I'm not even going to entertain responding to such a stupid comment. Comparing Danny Welbeck to one of the greatest second strikers the game has ever seen.. Blimey.
I haven't the numbers but not many.. and Welbeck is another one of those who under current management (whose judgement I trust a bit more than yours, no offence) he was surplus to requirements so that tells me LVG either doesn't rate him as highly and clearly thinks we now have 4 better strikers on our books.
Rooney, RVP and Falcao are better than Welbeck. In two or three years time though, I'm not so sure. How old were Falcao and RVP when they turned it on for real?
Welbeck wanted to go though, he wanted the main striker role, but never had a chance of getting it at United, and rightly so, this is the only position he wanted to play, and wasn't happy on the bench, what could we do?
Firmly believe if he had been content to be a squad player that he'd still be here, rightly , or wrongly.
In two/three years time James Wilson will be a first team regular, I am sure of it.. not to mention I'm sure we'd have replaced the ageing RVP as well so I'm still not going to lose any sleep over the loss of Danny.
But he has an average scoring record. Which is the exact stick you've just used to beat Welbeck with.
Can't have it both ways.
I believe in Wilson as well. That doesn't change anything in terms of Welbeck growing as a player.
But he should have had a chance to be one of the two main strikers LVG seems to want us to deploy this season. He was certainly our best striker in pre-season.
Maybe he wants to give the chance to Wilson instead. Do you have a problem with that?
I think people on here are getting way ahead of themselves with the Wilson hype. I doubt he'll get more then a subs role, and lots of reserve football this season.
I can though. Danny Welbeck wants to be outright front man. Dennis Bergkamp players alongside Thierry Henry in the "little and large" type combo. Danny, a talented player isn't going to be a world beater. Some thing he will be, I don't think he will be.
Danny will continue to grow as a player, as he will score goals for Arsenal but I still don't think he'll ever be in the class bracket of Van Persie, Falcao, Lewandowski, Suarez etc
We're playing with two strikers this season. He could easily have been a part of that.
In fact, I'd wager that any partnsership we could have had with Welbeck (i.e Rooney/Welbeck Falcao/Welbeck RVP/Welbeck) would be better then any partnserhip the other 3 will be able to put together. The other three are all to similar. Welbeck gave us something that the others don't have.
That's quite an ironic comment. Plus, if reports are to believed, LVG told Welbeck that he'd be behind him in the pecking order. I trust him in making that call if true. Pity not many other United fans do, they're just jizzing over an Arsenal player that didn't do the business at United.
LvG obviously saw things differently, obviously just didn't rate him that highly, this is a world class manager who knows what he's looking at so i fully trust that.
Plus I reckon we'll soon go 4-3-3, so maybe no long term future is the two up front, RvP, and Falcao rotating, with Rooney dropping back now, Wilson as the surprise/impact player?
He will become a player that will get 20 goals and 10 assists a season at least though, especially if he plays every week.
Rooney alongside either RVP/Falcao will be the way we go.. Rooney to do all the dirty work with either of the other two being the guys who do the business in the penalty box.. all of which they will do better than Welbeck.
He may do being the main man but we will also have players reaching that feet..
+ The type of forward he is, the likes of Walcott and Ramsey will score more as well. He brings out good play in others. That's why he doesn't have to be Falcao or Lewandowski good. He will be a top forward.
Why's it ironic?
We've seen Welbeck as a PL and International player for the past 4/5 years. More then enough to form an opinion. Wilson's rating is basically on the basis of his reserve performances, and I doubt half the people who claim to rate him so highly have ever seen anything more then some highlights of his goals. Plus, rating a reserve player so highly is risky business, how many of us though that the likes of Petrucci, Macheda, Gibson and Morrison were going to go on to be absolute stars for us?
Rooney/RVP hasn't worked for two years now as a partnership. And Falcao is a similar player.
As for doing all the dirty work, there is no one better at that then Welbeck.
But we also have players who'll chip in with goals. I honestly think other than Danny being a local lad, some seem to think with the loss of Danny our goals will some reason dry up. We'll have Rooney, RVP, Falcao, Di Maria all chipping in this season so the loss of Danny's 4 goals a season won't be missed terribly.
It has worked in spells. I actually think we'll see RVP/Falcao as a partnership with either Rooney behind them or actually even further behind with James Wilson who is a much better finisher already as the backup. I am really not fussed with the loss of Danny.
For the sake of it, I'm going to say that Wilson has scored more PL goals last season than Welbeck did in 12/13 in 27 appearances. I'm joking of course, but I don't that he's as far down in LVG's thoughts as you seem to be claiming him to be. A manager that's famous for making stars of promising youth.
You've missed my point. In two or three seasons time when our forward start to slow down, Welbeck would have been a very good option. I'm not talking about right now.
To be fair, James scored like, a third of Danny's goals in one game last season.
unbelievable the bullshit sentimentality in here. 80% of the time Welbeck has been gash for us. He's gone now, move on.
We now have Falcao, Rooney and Van Persie as our strike force. Incredible
I know what you mean but even then I honestly believe Danny would be behind James Wilson so he'd still be unhappy or would have moved on.
We usually play with two strikers though?
I don't really want to go on with this as it is clear we do not agree with each other.
That sounds horrible. No pace, no creativity, no linkup.
I'd much prefer sell RVP than Rooney. Rooney is three years younger, not injury prone and can possibly drop into midfield when his legs start to go. He has plenty still to offer. RVP has two more years max left in him at this level
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