Putin and Russia in Syria

Or you can pretty much just chuck every Middle Eastern and North African leader into that list too.
 
Or you can pretty much just chuck every Middle Eastern and North African leader into that list too.

Nah the difference is that those four have genuine mass appeal based on a fusion of old style nationalism with religious sentiment, often to the bewilderment of outsiders. The likes of King Abdullah or Bouteflika wouldn't stand a chance at winning a fair election.
 
I wouldn't say they've slipped too much. Sure, much of their military equipment are Soviet relics, but their new T-50 stealth bombers, T-14 tanks and submarines are still pretty impressive. Granted, nothing as impressive as the kind of heat Uncle Sam packs these days, but certainly enough to make any other militaries shit themselves, the Turks included.
t-50 won't be ready for another year or two. And it isn't near as good as F22/F35. I think that when it comes to air forces and navy, US compared with the entire world combined is like Darth Vader compared with me. Not a match.

China should probably be able to defeat Russians in a conventional war, IMO. Or at least get a draw. Not sure if the entire NATO combined (without US, of course) can get near a draw though.
 
Nah the difference is that those four have genuine mass appeal based on a fusion of old style nationalism with religious sentiment, often to the bewilderment of outsiders. The likes of King Abdullah or Bouteflika wouldn't stand a chance at winning a fair election.

I wouldn't be so sure on the Saudi or Emirati monarchy. The folks there seem to be content with the ignorant yet lavish bubble they live in, at least the ones deemed voting citizens. Or were you referring to Jordan's King Abdullah?
 
Yeah the simpleton in Jordan.

I'm deliberately leaving out the Gulfies as they're barely proper countries.
 
t-50 won't be ready for another year or two. And it isn't near as good as F22/F35. I think that when it comes to air forces and navy, US compared with the entire world combined is like Darth Vader compared with me. Not a match.

China should probably be able to defeat Russians in a conventional war, IMO. Or at least get a draw. Not sure if the entire NATO combined (without US, of course) can get near a draw though.

The thing is, Russia and China don't give a feck about casualties in a conventional war. The U.S can have all the toys they can create, but when it comes to good auld fashioned boots on the ground, I won't hedge on them over any of the former two tbh.
 
t-50 won't be ready for another year or two. And it isn't near as good as F22/F35. I think that when it comes to air forces and navy, US compared with the entire world combined is like Darth Vader compared with me. Not a match.

China should probably be able to defeat Russians in a conventional war, IMO. Or at least get a draw. Not sure if the entire NATO combined (without US, of course) can get near a draw though.

I thought the yanks were the only ones with the F22/F35s?

Also hate to say it but Darth Revan was an overrated Sith Lord - Exar Kun, Vitiate and even Naga Sadow would eat him alive.
 
I wouldn't be so sure on the Saudi or Emirati monarchy. The folks there seem to be content with the ignorant yet lavish bubble they live in, at least the ones deemed voting citizens. Or were you referring to Jordan's King Abdullah?
The Saudi king Abdullah will definitely not win in an election considering he's dead.
 
Oh how could I forget the charming Hashemite midget.

His wife though :drool:

Look at this guy though, he's like a rapper pretending to be tough

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Putin would run him over on his horse.
 
And how could we forget:

 
Nah the difference is that those four have genuine mass appeal based on a fusion of old style nationalism with religious sentiment, often to the bewilderment of outsiders. The likes of King Abdullah or Bouteflika wouldn't stand a chance at winning a fair election.

Spot on, when Modi came to power Erdogan was the best comparison I could think of.
 
I don't like Sisi, but he's not actively seeking to undermine neighbouring countries, nor is he a religious nutjob like the Brotherhood medieval mentalists before him.

He is a pathetic scrooge though, much like his idol Mubarak.
This is a guy that overthrew a democratically elected gov't and sentence those to death / executed most of them. That's pretty much the most dictatorial thing I anyone can do. Only Putin comes close to that.

Also Egyot will be next, I'm sure of it.
 
The thing is, Russia and China don't give a feck about casualties in a conventional war. The U.S can have all the toys they can create, but when it comes to good auld fashioned boots on the ground, I won't hedge on them over any of the former two tbh.
US soldiers have experience in the ground though. China hasn't fought in half a century.

I thought the yanks were the only ones with the F22/F35s?

Also hate to say it but Darth Revan was an overrated Sith Lord - Exar Kun, Vitiate and even Naga Sadow would eat him alive.
I think that US sells F35, but doesn't sell F22. Raoul or someone who is more informed might help us there.

Revan was awesome. Not the strongest though. Vitiate in fact ate him alive, and likely Kun would have defeated him too. Naga didn't do anything noteworthy IMO.
 
This is a guy that overthrew a democratically elected gov't and sentence those to death / executed most of them. That's pretty much the most dictatorial thing I anyone can do. Only Putin comes close to that.

Also Egyot will be next, I'm sure of it.

You're right, Sisi is a tyrant, you're preaching to the choir there.

Though to be fair it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch than the MB, they're one of the groups which the world wouldn't miss if they were forcibly disappeared back to the stone ages or the caves they came from. Sentencing Morsi to death was a huge dick move though and completely unnecessary.
 
You're right, Sisi is a tyrant, you're preaching to the choir there.

Though to be fair it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch than the MB, they're one of the groups which the world wouldn't miss if they were forcibly disappeared back to the stone ages or the caves they came from. Sentencing Morsi to death was a huge dick move though and completely unnecessary.
Agree with coup d'etat, but not with killing the MB members.

Anyway, despite Morsi becoming the first elected Arab president, I think that he lost any legitimity when he started beating and killing the people who were protesting.

What we hope should happen, is for Sisi to give up power and make some new election, but knowing the history of the region, that isn't going to happen.
 
Agree with coup d'etat, but not with killing the MB members.

Anyway, despite Morsi becoming the first elected Arab president, I think that he lost any legitimity when he started beating and killing the people who were protesting.

What we hope should happen, is for Sisi to give up power and make some new election, but knowing the history of the region, that isn't going to happen.

I wouldn't hold my breath on Sisi ceding to democratic elections. He's essentially going to be another Mubarak who will rule unchallenged for decades, until the next time the Egyptians mobilise and demand he leaves.
 
Turkey would have acted differently if it had known jet was Russian: Erdogan
Istanbul (AFP) - President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday that Turkey would have acted differently if it had known a warplane its forces downed on the Syrian border was Russian.

"If we had known if it was a Russian plane maybe we would have warned it differently," Erdogan told France 24 television.

He also said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had not answered his call after Tuesday's incident that has seriously damaged ties between two rival players in the Syrian conflict.

"I called Mr Putin but until now he never answered my call," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-acted-differently-had-known-jet-russian-erdogan-172306416.html

I'm surprised you're still waiting for him to call back since you've called him more than 5 minutes ago.
 
If I were Russia I'd just go balls deep with releasing intel implicating Turkey's relationship with ISIS. It will be interesting getting NATO to justify Turkey's inclusion in light of such allegations or trying to debunk what's now the worst kept secret.
 
Anyway, despite Morsi becoming the first elected Arab president, I think that he lost any legitimity when he started beating and killing the people who were protesting.
What? This didn't happen. 5 MB members were killed after the first protest turned violent and their HQ was stormed.

Morsi never asked for protestors to be killed, and never actively killed them.
 
Sorry to butt into your discussion guys but what are the possible implications for Turkey if it came out they were supporting Isis? In terms of NATO etc?
 
So this is how the Russians have chosen to mark WW1 today:

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That twitter page also gives us a nice reminder:

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What were the Turks complaining about again?
 
If I were Russia I'd just go balls deep with releasing intel implicating Turkey's relationship with ISIS. It will be interesting getting NATO to justify Turkey's inclusion in light of such allegations or trying to debunk what's now the worst kept secret.

It won't work. In fact Erdogan is already accusing the Russians of facilitating ISIS oil sales to Assad using intermediaries and Russian banks.
 
It won't work. In fact Erdogan is already accusing the Russians of facilitating ISIS oil sales to Assad using intermediaries and Russian banks.

And no one will believe it, considering Assad is a sworn enemy of ISIS. As for Turkey...well they have a slightly more interesting relationship with the boys in black.
 
I thought the yanks were the only ones with the F22/F35s?

Also hate to say it but Darth Revan was an overrated Sith Lord - Exar Kun, Vitiate and even Naga Sadow would eat him alive.

Only the US has F22s, which are banned from export (I don't think the B-2 was banned from export but they're too expensive for anyone else to buy). F35s aren't ready for combat yet. The F22 is the only operational 5th Generation Fighter in the world at present and the F35 is next closest.
 
And no one will believe it, considering Assad is a sworn enemy of ISIS. As for Turkey...well they have a slightly more interesting relationship with the boys in black.

They're not really sworn enemies. In 2014, 6% of their attacks were against ISIS. The thermal power station the US bombed last month was only operational because of an agreement between ISIS and Assad (he'd provide the materials/workers as long as ISIS allowed for power in the regime areas). The same goes on at gas power plants. So it's not only oil the regime is getting from ISIS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-and-Isil-is-new-target-for-EU-sanctions.html
 
They're not really sworn enemies. In 2014, 6% of their attacks were against ISIS. The thermal power station the US bombed last month was only operational because of an agreement between ISIS and Assad (he'd provide the materials/workers as long as ISIS allowed for power in the regime areas). The same goes on at gas power plants. So it's not only oil the regime is getting from ISIS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-and-Isil-is-new-target-for-EU-sanctions.html

That's pretty much a normal arrangement in any given war, the situations pretty much the same in Iraq. But they're still enemies, there's a reason why ISIS behead and execute Syrian soldiers more than any other combatants they come across. In fact the only faction pretty much only fighting ISIS are the Kurds, and I include countries in that too.

But collaboration is a different story to doing a few shady intermediate deals. While the regime may have possibly made some reluctant clandestine arrangements, its a lot different than Turkey pretty much collaborating with ISIS, or at the very least proving to be an enabling faction.