On wokes twitch stream the police seem to be broadcasting over radio that they are going to block in every car and person on Santa Monica and arrest every single person.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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My old barrio. Its at The Plaza too. Need to protect those stores there.
Forget about the neighbourhood stores.
They cornered ~2000 people on the Manhattan bridge.
Covid hasn't gone away.
Video showing him getting shot and going down, you can see he was just standing there doing literally nothing
Coming back with a storm in USA and France and UK is in the middle!
At least when UK had our scandal last week, we were all very British about it by writing letter of outrage to our MPs
Still am sure BrExit will sort out all our issues and ensure Rule Brittainia
Trying to be objective: Presumably curfew suspends 1st Amendment rights?
So why aren’t people respecting that?
I am no legal scholar but what is the purpose of a constitution or amending it if it can just be suspended?
Also not entirely sure what you are trying to get at. The curfew is just an excuse for the police to end protests against the police. Shame on anyone who respects that.
It would be nice if the police were any more trustworthy than random tweets. But they ruined that.
This so terrible 
I'm worried about a new COVID outbreak too.
I'm worried about a new COVID outbreak too.All I’m saying is that if curfew does temporarily suspend constitutional rights, security forces have legal authority to enforce with special measures. ie: certain forms of police ‘brutality’ would be allowed and not contestable in court thereafter.
Possibly but they'd still remain scmu. Just legal scmu.
I'm not saying it necessarily is a cover up, it may have happened exactly as they say, I don't know. I've just stopped believing them by default.
This is getting sickening beyond anything I can verbalise. fcuking cnuts.
The society including the media creates an image that black people present with more threat. We internalize these ideas passively and they root deep down in our heart. This doesn't necessarily make us a racist, we may still make friends and get along with black people. However, under certain circumstances (e.g. when we face a danger), this bias may affect our decisions in that split second and cause the officers to overreact.
In the social experiment from the episode I mentioned, subjects were given a fake gun. They were asked to shoot at those who carried a gun, and hold their fire to those who carried a phone. In the last round of the experiment, a black guy they knew and a white guy popped up together, both carring a phone. It turned out most of the participants took the shot against the black guy, who was a friend of theirs. This didn't only apply to white partcipants, but also black, Hispanic and Asian.
I know these conversations make me look like a racist, I'm not. I'm an Asian (as suggested from my username) who lived in the UK for some time and some of my friends are still there, and we are also the victims of racism. Trust me I hate it more than many of you, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we have to relate everything to racism. Chauvin may also be a racist after all, but there has been no direct evidence supporting that theory so far. So why not focus and condemn police brutality, which is apparently happening and much more legitimate?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-i-became-lawyer-chidi-egbochue
Harrowing read... experiences of my former supervisor, a rare sight.. a black partner of a top law firm.
Harrowing read... experiences of my former supervisor, a rare sight.. a black partner of a top law firm.
That post really doesn't need to appear in two threads @hmchan .
The Republicans and their gangs are already blatantly misreporting stuff now, they aren't even trying to make it subtle.
This could lead to bigger than Arab Spring, if Donald against everyone's better judgment sending in the military and they shed a drop of blood it will get very, very ugly. I already can envision Donald and the republicans doubling down on their stance.
If protest persist for 1 more week, military will come in, and from there on it'll be civil war.
This could lead to bigger than Arab Spring, if Donald against everyone's better judgment sending in the military and they shed a drop of blood it will get very, very ugly. I already can envision Donald and the republicans doubling down on their stance.
If protest persist for 1 more week, military will come in, and from there on it'll be civil war.
It really does. Nobody likes to think of themselves as racist but the majority of us are to some degree or another.
You probably don't mean it that way but "I can't be racist because I have a black friend" means nothing. One of the most racist people I've every met was married to someone from a very different ethnic background.
It doesn't matter why a Police Officer treats black people differently or how deliberate an act it is. Especially when it is the difference between you being killed based on your skin colour.
That is irrelevant because a) it was a reality show and not a scientific experiment and b) they thought it was a video game and everyone of all colours knows that the bad guy in a video game is more likely to be black and c) even if it did show what you think it does then that also displays the widespread and institutionalised racism that occurs in the states. It is so pervasive that even black people are absorbing these harmful stereotypes about their own ethnic grouping.
They do I'm afraid. And being ethnically Asian doesn't make you inherently any more or less likely to be racist. What is important is that we fight against our biases but denying they exist is a terrible way to do this. And we are also talking about a combination of individual and institutionalised racism here and the data is unequivocal.
It also happens almost everywhere https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-to-aboriginal-people-dying-in-police-custody
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While I think that there is definitely a bias towards shooting black people, I feel that an even bigger problem here is the police shooting, full stop. The police are trigger happy, more than in any other first-world country (if we call the US a first-world country). In fact, more white people are killed by police than black people, though per capita, if you are black, chances of getting killed by the police are 2.5 times as high as if you were white.
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9
US Police compared to European countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country
From this we can see that Austrian police shot & killed 12 people in 12 years (2000–2011), Danish police 11 from 1996 to 2006, Finnish police 2 from 2003 to 2013, France - 85 in 2005–12, Germany - 47 in 2010–2015, Netherlands - 20 in 2009–2015, Norway - 2 in 2002–14, England & Wales - 24 in 2003/4 to 2015/16.
Germany, with roughly 25% of the US' population has on average 3 people killed from the police per year. The US has around 1000, which is 2 orders of magnitude higher (adjusted for population). Essentially, if you live in the US, you are 100 times more likely to be killed from the police than if you live in Germany. Statistic wise, if you go for a week per year in the US, you are more likely to be killed from the Police there, then in the remaining 51 weeks you're in your country (providing you live in a decent country).
I believe that the main root of the problem is the number of guns. Without addressing it, the problem won't be solved. Even if the police become less violent and less racist, a shitload of lives will be lost purely cause of guns in the US. So while I am happy about the protests that try to address the problem of police racism, and police brutality, I feel that they are relatively small parts of the bigger problem.
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9
US Police compared to European countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country
From this we can see that Austrian police shot & killed 12 people in 12 years (2000–2011), Danish police 11 from 1996 to 2006, Finnish police 2 from 2003 to 2013, France - 85 in 2005–12, Germany - 47 in 2010–2015, Netherlands - 20 in 2009–2015, Norway - 2 in 2002–14, England & Wales - 24 in 2003/4 to 2015/16.
Germany, with roughly 25% of the US' population has on average 3 people killed from the police per year. The US has around 1000, which is 2 orders of magnitude higher (adjusted for population). Essentially, if you live in the US, you are 100 times more likely to be killed from the police than if you live in Germany. Statistic wise, if you go for a week per year in the US, you are more likely to be killed from the Police there, then in the remaining 51 weeks you're in your country (providing you live in a decent country).
I believe that the main root of the problem is the number of guns. Without addressing it, the problem won't be solved. Even if the police become less violent and less racist, a shitload of lives will be lost purely cause of guns in the US. So while I am happy about the protests that try to address the problem of police racism, and police brutality, I feel that they are relatively small parts of the bigger problem.
I have a weird question, some may not even like it.
And don't get me wrong, the cop is an arsehole and deserves the hardest punishment for what he did. And my feelings are with Floyd and his family.
But why is this about racism? Is it known that the cop is a racist? Why is it different, if a white person kills a black person to if a black kills a black or a white kills a white? Shouldn't we be ahead of this in time?
Would there be a debate like this if a black cop kills a white? If the cop had no racial intends (but other assholerys), wouldn't it be racism against white people to accuse them of racism like that in general (not talking about the cop as an idividual, but about all white people in US)?
Sorry, to me stuff like this is always hard to understand, because for me every human is just a human, no matter the race or color. But i witnessed many times that a black killed a white and never a racism debate comes up (at least not to this extent), while the world goes crazy if the opposite thing happens. I obviously know about the past of black people in US, but times have changed drastically compared to the last centuries. However, unfortunately human beings will keep killing each other in future, no matter where they are coming from, so topics like this are always likely to come up, or not?
In a topic like this i just wonder what would happen, if for example a stupid and criminal german would kill a jew in Germany. Would the whole country have to suffer because of one idiot? It basically shows to me, how fragile this world and its peace really is.
And don't get me wrong, the cop is an arsehole and deserves the hardest punishment for what he did. And my feelings are with Floyd and his family.
But why is this about racism? Is it known that the cop is a racist? Why is it different, if a white person kills a black person to if a black kills a black or a white kills a white? Shouldn't we be ahead of this in time?
Would there be a debate like this if a black cop kills a white? If the cop had no racial intends (but other assholerys), wouldn't it be racism against white people to accuse them of racism like that in general (not talking about the cop as an idividual, but about all white people in US)?
Sorry, to me stuff like this is always hard to understand, because for me every human is just a human, no matter the race or color. But i witnessed many times that a black killed a white and never a racism debate comes up (at least not to this extent), while the world goes crazy if the opposite thing happens. I obviously know about the past of black people in US, but times have changed drastically compared to the last centuries. However, unfortunately human beings will keep killing each other in future, no matter where they are coming from, so topics like this are always likely to come up, or not?
In a topic like this i just wonder what would happen, if for example a stupid and criminal german would kill a jew in Germany. Would the whole country have to suffer because of one idiot? It basically shows to me, how fragile this world and its peace really is.
You just quoted the statistics by yourself.
Shootings by police are a big problem in the US, but as you stated yourself, this is about, that Blacks and people of color would be "happy" to be victims as often as whites of police violence. But they are not. Even if police violence would be reduced in general, it woudn't change that blacks are 2,5 times likelier to be brutalized by police. And that is the issue at hand.
The way you've written it, my conclusion is, you want police violence reduced, but you do not care about the fact, that blacks and other minorieties are much more often the victm of this violence due to structural reasons/racism
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You already got an answer in the other thread you posted the same exact question. And to save everybody time, I just qoute the answer from @Sigma again:
"I think it's pretty clear that institutional racism exists within the US police force. Black people are way more likely to be charged with an offence than a white person (for the same offence). However, that doesn't mean that white Americans don't face injustices too, just that they may be less frequent and the injustice may not have the persons skin colour as a factor but solely due to the incompetence of the officers."
I alluded to this fact the other evening - the systemic murdering across the pond is another level.
But the availability of firearms in singularity doesn't explain that. POC are still killed/harassed disproportionately.
“the republicans and their gangs“, your entire post is an overreaction. These protest will end because of looting and thugs that are out there for their best interest and the violence will eventually make it too dangerous for those that are protesting for the right reason and in the right manner. It will be just like Ferguson, larger scale but eventually the looting and violence will drown out the real message.
I think it is also necessary to account for the amount of violent crime in the US when compared with the same nations you listed. I’d assume the US dwarves the other nations given how readily available guns are.
I believe black people in America disproportionately commit violent crime when compared to other ethnicities (this is based off data back in 2014 so perhaps it’s no longer accurate), so the issue is a little more complex than what some have stated. Racism is rife in the US, sure, but there are complex societal issues which contribute to black Americans encountering police disproportionately. Through that lens, it makes sense that black Americans would be more likely to be seriously injured/killed by the police by virtue of them encountering police more frequently.
Perhaps the more pertinent issue is how to lower the contact black Americans have with police/the criminal justice system. It could simply be that higher arrests for black Americans is itself a problem of racism: ie they don’t commit more crime, they just get arrested more by racist cops.
I read somewhere that the MSP school district is cutting off their contract with MSP PD for security at their schools. Similar with the University. That’s going to hit the Police in the pocket, where it really hurts. Less overtime = smaller pensions.
Take the legal settlements out of their pension fund for their illegal acts too; why should taxpayers pay that? Cases would drop dramatically if that happened,
Take the legal settlements out of their pension fund for their illegal acts too; why should taxpayers pay that? Cases would drop dramatically if that happened,
Can you please confirm what offences they are more likely to be charged with @Sigma? If you refer to violent crime, see my above post, but perhaps the reason they are more likely to be charged is that they are more often committing said violent crime. I know that sounds like a racist remark but I hope it is not perceived as such - it is based on data.
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Retired St. Louis Police Captain.
Retired St. Louis Police Captain.
Surely you put the fecking camera down and give the man CPR?!
feck man, this is really messed up.
Someone should have. Or call 911, If they’re even available and not busy dealing with other shit
You caught me. I thought I was being subtle, but I guess you’re too smart for me and found me for being a racist.
Black men sentenced to more time for committing the exact same crime as a white person
Studies comparing 'justice' system for blacks and whites
(The whole juries and jurors section is disgusting)