Protests following the killing of George Floyd

JPRouve said:
It's as if you didn't read the post you responded to.
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Look at his grading manager thread, he likes to fancy himself a deep thinker distinguished from the crowd.


‘Even the black guy shot at the black guy’, how fecking dumb must you be to use that. It’s as if society from top to bottom has been conditioned to associate black men with violence and danger, thus triggering alienation, suspicion and violence in response.
 
Carolina Red said:


Abraham Lincoln toured the fecking country and Washington DC army hospitals in the middle of the actual Civil War

Apparebtly the BLM protest “didn’t have a permit” (and yes, a permit from the Gov to protest the Gov is about as dumb as it sounds)
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R. Nixon visited at the height of the Vietnam protests and a few days after the Kent State massacre the Lincoln memorial before a massive prostest at The Mall. He talked for a few hours with protesters at the Lincoln Memorial late at night/very early in the morning.
Without saying that he didn't teargas the protester before.
Edit: Nixons visit to the Lincoln Memorial
 
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Twitter said:
This is the crew Trump put together to cross the street today for a photo op to prove he’s not hiding in his bunker. Besides no masks, notice anything peculiar?

Hint: not one person of coluor.
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hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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Would George Floyd died if he was white?
Would George Floyd died if Chauvin was black?


Very simple question
 
JPRouve said:
The two aren't separated. There is the belief that african american's are more likely to be victim of police brutality due to racism.
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I wouldn't use the word 'belief' when it is an incontrovertible fact.

hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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Aside from your utterly bizarre line of thinking, what you have just described is racism. The fact people of different demographics are all susceptible to such biases only reflects how endemic and pervasive racism is in pretty much every walk of life, not that people have 'deep bias in their heart' whatever the feck that's supposed to mean. It's like when studies show women also will tend to 'underpay' women workers compared to their male counterparts - that does not mean they have sexism 'deep in the hearts', it means they have been socialised in a deeply sexist society and imbibed many of its values consciously or otherwise.
 
entropy said:
@Gazza how are things in your neighborhood? any of your friends out there protesting tonite? hope they are safe.
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Cheers, entropy. I haven't been outside yet today but it seems like no casualties last night. I had friends attending protests and some of the video they took looks appalling, but thankfully no one got seriously hurt, from what I know. Near my office (which is 5 mins walk from the White House), there have been several stores broken into, a CVS, a Panera Bread among others, and my work building has boarded up all the storefronts on the street. Going to go for a walk this afternoon before the curfew begins again. THanks again for the well wishes.
 
Devil77 said:
Where is a falling piano when you need one?
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It was handcuffed & escorted from the Very White House because of the black and white keys being too close together.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I keep seeing a video of an incident where a cop(s) will do something absolutely abhorrent then wondering "how is this not the top story in the world right now?" ... only to another clip of another cop(s) doing something equally bad 10 minutes later.
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Probably because it would read something along the lines of, war crimes being committed against Americans.
 
Tucholsky said:
R. Nixon visited at the height of the Vietnam protests and a few days after the Kent State massacre the Lincoln memorial before a massive prostest at The Mall. He talked for a few hours with protesters at the Lincoln Memorial late at night/very early in the morning.
Without saying that he didn't teargas the protester before.
Edit: Nixons visit to the Lincoln Memorial
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Really saying something when you handle shit worse than “Law and Order President” Nixon.
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.
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What?
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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Awful post. Truly awful
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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Your missing of the point is more than compensated for by your terrible reasoning and non-analogous analogy.
 
Derailment rides again.
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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A truly, truly awful post.

Educate yourself.
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.

Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
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Car crash.
 
hmchan said:
Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.
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Are you all lives matter?
 
In Deadwood, no LAPD cops shot the Black guys; therefore, racism doesn't exist.
 
neverdie said:
No, it isn't. It's the criminal profiling of black people as helped to proliferate by the media. No one is born racist.
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Yes. It is the society (including the media) that creates such a bias. But when an ethnic group holds the same "bias" towards themselves, it's not racism.
InfiniteBoredom said:
Look at his grading manager thread, he likes to fancy himself a deep thinker distinguished from the crowd.


‘Even the black guy shot at the black guy’, how fecking dumb must you be to use that. It’s as if society from top to bottom has been conditioned to associate black men with violence and danger, thus triggering alienation, suspicion and violence in response.
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Obviously you haven't watched the episode and you have no idea about the social experiment I'm talking about.
Sky1981 said:
Would George Floyd died if he was white?
Would George Floyd died if Chauvin was black?


Very simple question
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There were plenty of white victims subjected to the same treatment (that gone unnoticed). They got lucky that they survived. It's just that police brutality alone didn't arouse any concern, but when the issue's spun to racism, people start to pay attention.

 
hmchan said:
Yes. It is the society (including the media) that creates such a bias. But when an ethnic group holds the same "bias" towards themselves, it's not racism
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Please stop and educate yourself.
 
villain said:
For white people to be effective at changing racism (& general discrimination) long term, it comes in educating other white people, especially friends & family - having uncomfortable conversations and, sacrifice. If you know someone in your life is racist, especially family members, and you continue to engage with them - I don't think you can call yourself an ally, (I'm speaking generally of course) in some situations (such as the workplace) that's not possible, but generally being a true ally means a lot of sacrifice.
If we're going to have a conversation about being part of something because it's trendy, personally I'd say we would have to start there.
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Feel utterly enraged about the subject atm so dont think conversations would be that productive with those who would benefit from them. Its not a subject that normally comes up or a conversation i have with any kind of regularity. Yeah ... I've come to realise i do feck all to help with the subject and i should look at that.
 
caid said:
Feel utterly enraged about the subject atm so dont think conversations would be that productive with those who would benefit from them. Its not a subject that normally comes up or a conversation i have with any kind of regularity. Yeah ... I've come to realise i do feck all to help with the subject and i should look at that.
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It's understandable, I don't expect anyone to have any right answers right now, I certainly don't.
 
VeevaVee said:
A friend of mine, who is black, had to make a post explaining why he hadn’t posted anything because he’d been getting shit for it. That doesn’t seem right to me.

Also agree massively on the social media trend. Awareness that people are paying attention and not just in America is surely huge right now.
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Was just skimming through the thread. Your friends situation is quite similar to this tweet, the people in which are getting shamed for no reason.

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caid said:
Feel utterly enraged about the subject atm so dont think conversations would be that productive with those who would benefit from them. Its not a subject that normally comes up or a conversation i have with any kind of regularity. Yeah ... I've come to realise i do feck all to help with the subject and i should look at that.
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