Legally you may be correct, like you I also don't know.
In the real world, I'd move from my porch to inside my house, even if it meant the video footage I was trying to get was not as good.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Legally you may be correct, like you I also don't know.
In the real world, I'd move from my porch to inside my house, even if it meant the video footage I was trying to get was not as good.
Very little about this is right.
Except they had no right to tell them to get inside. It's nice to know that you're so obedient to authority, though.
Indeed, and its all symptomatic of what I said in my first post this morning on this - the American police plainly have no idea on how to deescalate and defuse situations. Whether this is a lack of training, a deliberate policy, something being passed down from above, I dont know. You see plenty of videos from Europe of police officers who are actually engaging with people and holding a conversation - that very rarely seems to happen in the US and they prefer to just go straight for the nuclear option. At this point, the police are simply not trusted by a significant amount of the population, which means that rather than being peacekeepers they have basically become a private army, simply enforcing the wishes of whoever holds the purse strings.
It was discussed on here a couple of days ago, but I think major reforms are needed over there. Mandatory sensitivity and negotiation training. Centralization and standardization of police practices across the states. Right now it boils down to a lack of empathy and a lack of ability to defuse or deescalate.
A famous quote comes to mind; "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail "
Why not try to address the racism,police brutality and economic inequalites to prevent the riots in the first place?
So just want to quote this to bring a bit of balance to the "sticking up for your mates" comments that seem to be thrown at you a lot.
Those same posters somehow don't notice your criticisms of policing and only think your one sided.
That point is simply wrong and it's tiring to see people make it over and over. You guys are clearly showing why these riots happened, no one cared when the protests were peaceful to the point where some of you seem to think that these type of protests are/were a turning point.
Violence is bad everyone knows that but violence comes from the violence of the system and its disdain when people have spent the better part of the 20th century protesting and being totally ignored and demonized. It's funny how no one responded to the quotes from MLK that I posted, they are from the 60s nothing has changed, peace and violence have been tried but nothing changed.
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Remind me what happened when Kaepernick made a nonviolent stand which could have been huge in fighting against racism and police brutality?
It depends what I'm being asked to do. If, during a lockdown, a cop points a gun at me and tells me 9 times in increasing severity to move from my porch to inside my house, I'll do it. Not a hill worth dying on to debate what counts as "inside".
Are most American police ex-military?
None of the bolded parts apply to the situation that's being discussed, they weren't blocked in and they weren't surrounded by the crowd. Changing such a vital fact about the event to defend the actions of the police is intellectual dishonesty at its best.
Not sure if posted but...
I agree with @duffer here. Tensions are high, and the police don't give a feck about you and your porch, do yourself a favour and go inside.
That opinion doesn't make you racist in my view or the evil person I thought you were being. My sincere apologies for the reaction.
To me playing "devils advocate" is something you do when you want to humor the idea of defending the indefensible (arguing for something you inherently disagree with) or something some do when they want to mask their view. I didn't see it the way you meant it. I still don't fully understand what you mean but at least I'm of the understanding that you weren't being a piece of shit, so it is a start.
It could be that we Norwegians or just northern norwegians use the term devils advocate differently or more strictly than others.
Ignoring Thrown weapons skill.
It wasnt you who insinuated he was racist it was another poster from what i seen just incase you think he was accusing yourself of thatThat opinion doesn't make you racist in my view or the evil person I thought you were being. My sincere apologies for the reaction.
To me playing "devils advocate" is something you do when you want to humor the idea of defending the indefensible (arguing for something you inherently disagree with) or something some do when they want to mask their view. I didn't see it the way you meant it. I still don't fully understand what you mean but at least I'm of the understanding that you weren't being a piece of shit, so it is a start.
It could be that we Norwegians or just northern norwegians use the term devils advocate differently or more strictly than others.
This has needed explaining way too many times in this thread. We should sticky this and the dog whistle at the top of every page for reference
Saying “peaceful protesting is the only way” is something said by those who have not lived whilst oppressed. I say this being a non white South African.
They're jacked up, under trained and over armed.
"Light em up..." talking and acting as if they're an occupying military force in a hostile war zone.
And thats when they're walking through an empty residential street... Hate to see how they react in an actual stressful situation.
Something like that. Almost like they elected Charlie Sheen.
My redcafe search revealed this is the first time.
This has needed explaining way too many times in this thread. We should sticky this and the dog whistle at the top of every page for reference
Saying “peaceful protesting is the only way” is something said by those who have not lived whilst oppressed. I say this being a non white South African.
It’s like the appeasement policy when it came to Hitler. Sometimes lives have to be lost, people have to martyr themselves for the greater good of society and personally I hope these protests become more radical and lead to real change in the cultural mindset of the US.
Was just waiting for him to get maced or something.
A lad I know got headbutted by batman on New Year’s Eve once.
Would these protests and the issue have been as highlighted if the protests were peaceful? Hell no.
When the system is broken sometimes the best thing to do is destroy it and build it again. There will be collateral damage, but nothing positive has ever happened throughout human history without some losses happening along the way.
If I'm sitting on my porch on my property, ant the police says that I should get indoors, I'll expect of them to reason with me why I should get indoors. Cause at that moment I am just exercising my rights.
And a curfew is not an order to stay indoors in your house, but that you can't leave your property/apartment.
Some more clarity on exactly why peaceful protesters become violent.
You can drop the faux outrage. I did not say you were a racist. I said you were licking the boots of your racist friends. That’s how I’d define someone leaping to add hypothetical context and mitigating factors to a video of a US police car mindlessly driving through civilians. Most normal people would condemn it, not instinctively play ‘devil’s advocate’. If you want to do the latter don’t act upset when you get called out for it.
Yep, seems so. I mean, there’s a lot of things to like about America. I’ve loved my visits there. The problem is a lot of them seem to think it’s the greatest country in the world. Most educated people I know in Norway rate it as a developing country.
The police, the health care system, the widespread poverty, the guns, the poor educational system (for those who can’t afford private education) and the blatant worship of money and status. Yeah, it’s really not that great, probably never were. In fact, as a historian, that sounds a lot like those origin myths of former empires.
Which makes you part of the problem.
So people are supporting violent behaviour that hurts innocents just because it rises more attention to the other violent problem? So endless circle of violence basically. Cool.
This world needs the meteor cleanse as soon as possible.
This world needs the meteor cleanse as soon as possible.
Thanks mate. Appreciated.
I'm not going to get into semantics with you. The videos speak for themselves. I think it's pretty clear the vehicles are being blocked and attacked.
That opinion doesn't make you racist in my view or the evil person I thought you were being. My sincere apologies for the reaction.
To me playing "devils advocate" is something you do when you want to humor the idea of defending the indefensible (arguing for something you inherently disagree with) or something some do when they want to mask their view. I didn't see it the way you meant it. I still don't fully understand what you mean but at least I'm of the understanding that you weren't being a piece of shit, so it is a start.
It could be that we Norwegians or just northern norwegians use the term devils advocate differently or more strictly than others.
Thanks. I'm sorry if I didn't explain properly but glad you understand where I was coming from and the point I was trying to make. I possibly need to be clearer in the future. No hard feelings.
I think you have it spot on here. The mentality is all wrong and very military like which isn't what day to day policing needs. I've said a few times though it's a cultural issue in the states which I'm sure stems from firearms and goes outwards from there. You even have volunteers within communities forming their own "professional" militia to protect their rights and neighborhoods whilst decked from head to toe in military uniform and with various automatic weapons. When you see all that is there any wonder why the police behave just as idiotically?
I genuinely believe the whole country needs reform.
Don't try and backtrack. It's certainly not "faux outrage" as I find it highly insulting to tell someone they are friends with racists.
Put the personal insults aside and discuss like an adult or log off and take your pent up anger out elsewhere. No time for it.
No, people are protesting violent behaviour that hurts innocents.
You've written several posts attempting to paint yourself as a voice of reason being unfairly criticised here, but this is simple dishonest and disingenuous. Neither vehicle is in anyway blocked. They are both completely free to reverse without hinderance.
Whilst I understand your point I'm not sure you have to be violent to highlight a problem. Extinction Rebellion have shown they could occupy and shut down cities in the UK for prolonged periods (London) and have brought the issue of climate change to the front of political debate. The vast majority of what they did was peaceful and resulted in very minor damage.
I appreciate the US is different but there are ways.