I've read your posts, I'm wondering if you actually have? Why do you even think you're getting pushback?
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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It is very strange but when you have people taking informations from conservative feeds, you kind of understand. These business owners are collateral victims and they shouldn't be but at the same time if so many americans that are not victims of racism, other prejudices or police brutality didn't decide to collectively ignore these issues and ignore the peaceful protests or even in the case kneeling, flat out stand against them, the situation wouldn't have spiraled.
The pearl clutching is something else regarding the property destruction.
I didn't reduce the protests to burning and looting I only codemned the burning and looting as being ineffective. Its like we are talking about a football game and I'm talking about the incidents that happened during the 50-60th min time period. That doesn't in any way mean the other 80 mins of the match didn't happen or were not important I just choose not to address them because they were not part of the topic of discussion. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the majority of BLM protests as being peaceful. Their cause is being hurt by the violent people. How many times must I repeat that?
If you are seriously going to deny that any change has taken place and that the status of blacks is the same as it was 100 years ago then I would suggest you move to another country.
The point is when you are smashing cars(and setting them on fire)., looting and burning business and property you are not fighting your opressor. You are only turning random people against you and increasing division.
So Black people should get over slavery because white boys were killed in the civil war? What about the Black people also killed? What about the lynchings? Jim Crow? The 13th amendment? Edgar Hoover and the CIA? The list goes on and on.
Not only do you display a lack of understanding and knowledge, but also a lack of real sympathy.
I don’t blame you entirely, the history of black suffering isn’t and has never been taught in proper detail - however everyone has a super computer in their poker, so being ignorant is simply not a good enough excuse in 2020.
Its not up to me to teach you, because truthfully I don’t think you actually care beyond surface level support, I.e. racism is bad.
Your second paragraph is not going to get a proper response because it sounds like you’re surrounded by idiots - but again - if they are mostly fed information from the media, I don’t blame them entirely. However once again - supercomputer, everyone has it.
As for your last paragraph, the continued disservice that non-black people keep putting on MLK’s name is frankly disgusting.
He was not your kumbaya, let’s hold hands & pray for world peace black saviour.
Others have posted videos of his speeches if you wish you watch them.
I will simply tell you to read his letters from Birmingham jail, where he cites very specifically and explicitly that it is not the rabid racist who continues to hold back minorities - but rather the lucid racist who accepts that racism exists but chooses to do nothing about it. And because of such people, and their continued apathy to violence & oppression of black people, that the anger, frustration & violence shown in riots is understandable and should continue because there is no silence where there is no justice.
It seems you know little to nothing of MLK, I suggest you refute from misquoting or misrepresenting him & his legacy in the future. And you don’t know what I’m capable of, what a silly statement.
I've read your posts, I'm wondering if you actually have? Why do you even think you're getting pushback?
Because my opinion makes me a minority and minorities are usually oppressed for being different. We all know that.
for the millionth time - anyone who is willing to turn against the fight for equality because property has been lost or damaged - was never serious about fighting for equality in the first place.
People should not forget that majority of the protests are peaceful.
You did, in the following post. Do you actually think that your gaslighting is efficient?
And no I'm telling you that the same problems exists, the same problems of racism, police brutality and different access to amenities, which are the point of these protests. Now of course if you think that it is about lynchings and strict segregation then you are right, things have changed but it's not the point of the protests and it's pure obfuscation.
Same goes to the 'bad apples' and corrupt system then right? If they keep killing black people, and not holding themselves accountable they will end up 'turning random people against you and increasing division'
... and here we are. So we have 2 issues, but y'all seem to be concentrating on the lesser one.
Booo hooo. The KKK are also minority... Thank God.
Time to get out the bingo card...
I would even say the vast majority, approaching Ivory soap levels.
They’re choosing to ignore because they don’t actually support BLM.
How can a Sheriff get that p*ssed off about shop-lifting?
There must be a sub-text I'm missing.
I wonder? Hmmmmm
That was a response to a guy who told me to stop posting. What does that have to do with majorities or minorities or representation or whatever? Are you really so desperate to paint a picture of me as something that I'm not? Come on this is just plain lying.
This adds a bit more context, but I agree, his rant is deep seeded, something had to have caused his psychosis. But, if he weathered that storm & was re-elected, no doubt he will continue to remain in office.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-people-that-arent-worth-saving-aclu-1050971/
If it walks like a duck...
Yes. It's that simple.... so I respond in kind. They can cry about the response all they want... Zero fecks given.
And I don't think those actions furthers the cause for equality. Hence I consider it counterproductive.
so basically, black people can only expect equality when they & their allies act perfectly?
I think that is an oversimplification and ignores the individual experiences of people though. People having an issue with some of the things done by people under the banner of BLM and so not wanting to support that movement itself is not the same as not supporting the fight for equality.
Very little major social change ever occurs peacefully, its something that Governments haven't seemed to grasp yet. When an oppressed section of society doesn't see any change or any willingness to be listened to violence will spill over, I'm not saying the looting and criminality is in anyway excusable but its nothing new. Until the police in America has some proper training in deescalating situations and stop shooting in situations they have no reason to these protests / riots will continue, while they are at it sort out the idiotic gun laws that are a massive root cause of the problem.
So you were suggesting that the problems of america are due to Calodo burning and looting?
You hear the same thing repeated with every struggle... Aparthied, Civil Rights, Palestine, and on and on. Without exception.
"Until we have peace, you won't get justice".
The only oversimplification is the idea that the protests are mostly riots (they’re not), and that the riots happen out of nowhere or without any preceding event. In this case were talking about 400 years of continued and intentional oppression.
Almost no societal change happens peacefully, unless you can inform me?
Not even surprising. Whenever you see he's posted in one of these threads you don't even need to read the post to see which way he'll be arguing.
That rant came about due to a spate of shoplifting incidents... yes shoplifting.
Is that really what you think I said? Like literally?
No but I still find those actions I describe counterproductive.
Which movement? Because it's important to remember that it's not a singular movement the US BLM movement that we are talking about in this thread, isn't the same movement as the UKBLM movement who in my opinion are opportunist who tried to gain viewage by using the term BLM in their name.
I get why people who only looked at it from afar may mix things, I have even seen papers mix them in articles about these movements but people should pay closer attention.
Explain what you said.
Very true.
It's also worth noting that Governments themselves constantly use violence / the threat of violence to enforce their own will...
Counterproductive is subjective, and you’re entitled to your opinion - but the existence of riots should never stop someone supporting the cause, otherwise they didn’t support the cause in the first place.
He told me to stop posting so I said this was akin to burning and looting instead of talking and debating. I think its a fair analogy the people out smashing cars and robbing people are not bothered to talk and debate.
Okay, so the bolded part applies to whom? What are the problems you are referring to?
The very small tiny minority of people not representative of the peaceful majority in any way, shape or form who don't want to debate and discuss issues and would rather resort to non debate and discuss methods to resolve matters like telling others to shut up.
Yep, it’s staggering that such a crime was the spark that caused this rant. The ‘apology’ was embarrassing, but I commend him for sticking to his guns & saying that his rant was how he really felt. One doesn’t often self-own that well, I’m just glad he was honest about being a racist. Unfortunately his constituents apparently feel like him
You may want to think that one again. Are you suggesting that the problems of the US are due to a minority that has been looting and burning things? You really don't see how almost all your answers end up being preposterous?
And you still haven't anwered my question about what you would do after decades of being ignored despite peaceful protests. You keep mentioning these methods to resolve matters without sharing them.
I was actually telling you to stop posting so you wouldn’t continue to sound foolish, then you started throwing out non sequiturs.
There are only 2 ways this can head from this point, in my view.
1) an ever worsening cycle of resentment and violence
Or
2) a change in policing culture and accountability as well as transformative investment in the underlying causes of poor educational and economic opportunities in the poorest communities in an effort to improve equality
Given this is the US we are talking about, I expect number one to happen.
1) an ever worsening cycle of resentment and violence
Or
2) a change in policing culture and accountability as well as transformative investment in the underlying causes of poor educational and economic opportunities in the poorest communities in an effort to improve equality
Given this is the US we are talking about, I expect number one to happen.