Protests following the killing of George Floyd

It makes me feel so sad that so many replies to Ben Mee and Burnley FC are from people who feel that they're sellouts for denouncing the banner. Someone replied to Ben Mee "well done for disregarding 87% of the population you twat"

87% of the twitter population deserves disregarding to be fair. If not more.
 
A nice pic in response to the horror over the weekend. Just on the right here, you can see Richard Petty who came out in support of Bubba. Petty is Southern royalty, so good on him.

 
All these racist feckers in America should have there roots checked and any of them that arrived after the first slave should be deported.
 
Absolute disgrace.

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Had a glance at the two biggest Burnley forums. Most of the supporters are rightly condemning it but there is also a sizeable percentage who saw nothing wrong in the banner and instead are attacking the "snowflake white liberals", saying that Floyd has "caused more worldwide social division than Hitler" and "if you want the BNP to come back in force, support BLM".

Ben Mee spoke out about it after the game:

“I’m ashamed and embarrassed that a small number of our fans have decided to put that around the stadium,” said Mee.

“They have completely missed the point and there’s a group of lads in there who are embarrassed to see that.

“It’s not what we are about at all and has missed the whole point of what we’ve achieved and what we’re trying to do (through backing the Black Lives Movement).

“These people need to educate themselves – as a lot of us do – and, like I said, it completely missed the point of the whole thing we’re trying to achieve.

“It does not represent what we’re about, the club’s about, the players are about and what the majority of fans are about, I’m sure. It’s a small minority of people and I’m really upset that happened.

“I’m ashamed and upset it’s associated with our club – my club – and it’s not something we want to see at all in the game. We totally condemn it and are embarrassed by it.”
 
Absolute disgrace.

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I don't know the background (if there is any) with this picture or what Burnley has to do with it, but why is this racism or a disgrace? Do white lifes not matter (as much as black lifes)?

I don't get what is wrong with that? :confused:
 
I don't know the background (if there is any) with this picture or what Burnley has to do with it, but why is this racism or a disgrace? Do white lifes not matter (as much as black lifes)?

I don't get what is wrong with that? :confused:
Sigh
 
I don't know the background (if there is any) with this picture or what Burnley has to do with it, but why is this racism or a disgrace? Do white lifes not matter (as much as black lifes)?

I don't get what is wrong with that? :confused:

You don't? Try thinking a little harder.
 
The movement isn't "Black lives matter, white lives don't."

It's more "black lives matter too, stop the persecution".

It really isn't difficult to decipher, especially if you do a little reading.


I obviously get that, but what is the problem if, let's say, another movement says white lifes matter (too)? Why is that instantly branded as racism?
Isn't this whole BLM-movement about equality? So obviously both of them matter, no?


My english is unfortunately not good enough to go deeper into this topic to explain what i really mean but this banner didn't say "black lifes don't", did it?
 
I obviously get that, but what is the problem if, let's say, another movement says white lifes matter (too)? Why is that instantly branded as racism?


My english is unfortunately not good enough to go deeper into this topic to explain what i really mean but this banner didn't say "black lifes don't", did it?

Because nobody was saying white lives don't matter. Literally the only reason to fly a banner with "white lives matter" over an occasion of support for black lives matter is to show how much of a racist you are. There is no other possible reason.

It's a bit like going to a BLM protest where some people are shouting "black power" and going "white power!"
 
I obviously get that, but what is the problem if, let's say, another movement says white lifes matter (too)? Why is that instantly branded as racism?
Isn't this whole BLM-movement about equality? So obviously both of them matter, no?


My english is unfortunately not good enough to go deeper into this topic to explain what i really mean but this banner didn't say "black lifes don't", did it?

Because white life has always mattered and anyone can read between the lines and see that the fascists are pissed off that finally people are arguing that Black lives have some value so they feel the need to reassert the status quo.
 
Because nobody was saying white lives don't matter. Literally the only reason to fly a banner with "white lives matter" over an occasion of support for black lives matter is to show how much of a racist you are. There is no other possible reason.

It's a bit like going to a BLM protest where some people are shouting "black power" and going "white power!"


I am not sure about that. I would take some bets, that since George Floyds death (and before ofcourse too), some white people over the world (probably and especially in US) have experienced some racism by black people too. Like some stereotypes that most white's are racist etc. And in this context i could believe that some people would like to send a message that 'whie lifes matter too'.

I obviously don't know which intention this banner from Burnley had, though. But i think it's difficult to instantly brand it as racism. I don't like it. We should aim for equality and not for something else, or it will always be a seedling for new hate in future generations.
 
I am not sure about that. I would take some bets, that since George Floyds death (and before ofcourse too), some white people over the world (probably and especially in US) have experienced some racism by black people too. Like some stereotypes that most white's are racist etc. And in this context i could believe that some people would like to send a message that 'whie lifes matter too'.

I obviously don't know which intention this banner from Burnley had, though. But i think it's difficult to instantly brand it as racism. I don't like it. We should aim for equality and not for something else, or it will always be a seedling for new hate in future generations.
Oh come off it, the entire point of it is to undermine ‘black lives matter’.

And equality is exactly the point of the BLM movement, when they’re the demographic who disproportionately suffer with racism.
 
"Doctor! I got shot in my right leg! Help me!"
"There there, I will fix both legs shortly"
"There's no bullet in my left leg!"
"ALL LEGS MATTER!"
 
I am not sure about that. I would take some bets, that since George Floyds death (and before ofcourse too), some white people over the world (probably and especially in US) have experienced some racism by black people too. Like some stereotypes that most white's are racist etc. And in this context i could believe that some people would like to send a message that 'whie lifes matter too'.

I obviously don't know which intention this banner from Burnley had, though. But i think it's difficult to instantly brand it as racism. I don't like it. We should aim for equality and not for something else, or it will always be a seedling for new hate in future generations.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I am not sure about that. I would take some bets, that since George Floyds death (and before ofcourse too), some white people over the world (probably and especially in US) have experienced some racism by black people too. Like some stereotypes that most white's are racist etc. And in this context i could believe that some people would like to send a message that 'whie lifes matter too'.

I obviously don't know which intention this banner from Burnley had, though. But i think it's difficult to instantly brand it as racism. I don't like it. We should aim for equality and not for something else, or it will always be a seedling for new hate in future generations.
White people are not subject to the institutional and systemic racism in our law protecting organisations, in our work places and in our society. White people do not face that every day, several times a day, all throughout their lives. White people simply do not face these injustices and you cannot say that poverty stricken white people face them either in the same manner or to the same degree. All Lives Matter and one day we'll hopefully be able to say that but not until Black Lives Matter too and in every respect as every other Life matters. The job to be done is to ensure that Black Lives Matter, not White Lives. To attempt to promote White Lives Matter is to attempt to deny the conscious and unconscious Racism that Black people face and endure today, now. White people do not face and endure that and do not deserve a platform in these debates and protests.
 
Look, I'm trying to believe you're arguing in good faith, but comments like this make it really hard.

I know that i am arguing in good faith. I know that i am totally against any kind of racism, for me a human is just a human. No matter the color, no matter the race or religion.

But i think if it's okay to send the message that black lifes matter, it should also be okay to send the message that white lifes matter (if in good faith, obviously). Both is okay for me, as long as it is about equality and not about superiority. It's not okay for me, if only one thing is allowed though without getting branded as a racist. And i will keep saying that, even if you guys think i am stupid or even, which would make me laugh, a racist because of that.


But sometimes i have the feeling that some people just recognize racism against a certain kind of people. But there can be racism against any kind of people (i personally even experienced racism against me personally in this very forum, quite a few times, when i was new), and i don't think that racism against black people for instance is worse than racism against muslims, jews, asians and yes, even white people. That's why i have trouble if someone gets instantly (without proof) branded as a racist if he says that white lifes matter, in a time where many people say that black lifes matter.

Like it or not, that is just my honest opinion. Sorry for my bad english though.
 
I know that i am arguing in good faith. I know that i am totally against any kind of racism, for me a human is just a human. No matter the color, no matter the race or religion.

But i think if it's okay to send the message that black lifes matter, it should also be okay to send the message that white lifes matter (if in good faith, obviously). Both is okay for me, as long as it is about equality and not about superiority. It's not okay for me, if only one thing is allowed though without getting branded as a racist. And i will keep saying that, even if you guys think i am stupid or even, which would make me laugh, a racist because of that.


But sometimes i have the feeling that some people just recognize racism against a certain kind of people. But there can be racism against any kind of people (i personally even experienced racism against me personally in this very forum, quite a few times, when i was new), and i don't think that racism against black people for instance is worse than racism against muslims, jews, asians and yes, even white people. That's why i have trouble if someone gets instantly (without proof) branded as a racist if he says that white lifes matter, in a time where many people say that black lifes matter.

Like it or not, that is just my honest opinion. Sorry for my bad english though.
Let us say I am a climate change activist, my symbol being the polar bear, and I proclaim that ‘polar bears matter’. If you come back with ’all mammals matter’, you’re subverting and mocking my message. You’re technically right as all mammals do matter, but it’s clear there was not an attempt at honest discourse.
 
A viral video shows a woman holding a Confederate flag at a Black Lives Matter protest in Missouri and telling demonstrators, “I will teach my grandkids to hate you all.” She then turned around, stuck up her fist and said, “KKK belief.”

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...woman-holding-confederate-flag-at-blm-protest
Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, un-tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!
 
I know that i am arguing in good faith. I know that i am totally against any kind of racism, for me a human is just a human. No matter the color, no matter the race or religion.

But i think if it's okay to send the message that black lifes matter, it should also be okay to send the message that white lifes matter (if in good faith, obviously). Both is okay for me, as long as it is about equality and not about superiority. It's not okay for me, if only one thing is allowed though without getting branded as a racist. And i will keep saying that, even if you guys think i am stupid or even, which would make me laugh, a racist because of that.


But sometimes i have the feeling that some people just recognize racism against a certain kind of people. But there can be racism against any kind of people (i personally even experienced racism against me personally in this very forum, quite a few times, when i was new), and i don't think that racism against black people for instance is worse than racism against muslims, jews, asians and yes, even white people. That's why i have trouble if someone gets instantly (without proof) branded as a racist if he says that white lifes matter, in a time where many people say that black lifes matter.

Like it or not, that is just my honest opinion. Sorry for my bad english though.

I would recommend spending sometime reading about the history of black people here https://www.history.com/topics/black-history maybe it will help you understand why the movement means so much.