Better police? Love it.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Never forget that when NYPD went on strike, crime rate went down.
Dunno if it's been posted already
PS: why the feck am i getting a vote-Trump ad on this page???? Like seriously wtf?!??!
PS: why the feck am i getting a vote-Trump ad on this page???? Like seriously wtf?!??!
Police unions are in the position they are because they benefit from “left” labor laws and practices, and at the same time being largely supported by right-leaning citizens and those in power.
I’m glad you differentiated “defund” and “dismantle” police departments. I don’t mind defunding depending on what exactly gets cut, or whatever needs to be re-examined. Although true “reform” will actually cost MORE money.
Dismantling is just not going to happen, at least not nation-wide. It might come down to each individual city’s decision on what to do with their LE. Have to keep in mind that this country is still very divided. Even though most on the Caf are supportive of defund and/or dismantle, there are many cities that don’t agree and are supportive of their police.
It was more that they were so top heavy they could tip over going in a straight line. Now the wars are almost over a lot are being flogged to overseas militaries as well as the police.
20 years ago police uniforms were simple and unthreatening. Now they look like they're going to war. No wonder people are more wary of them.
"Ee went that way,ya drip"
Behave yourself. It's hilarious.
You gullible bunch!
He knows
From the outside looking in I hope to be objective.
Unions are a good thing. Collective bargaining for common good is valuable.
Creating a wall around a union that is negatively impacting society as a whole, is wrong.
Reform will not cost more than the current levels of spending. Your police forces cost insane amounts of money and are designed around the wrong platform.
Wow, staff-member Solius admitting to depriving RedCafe of hard-earned revenue by blocking ads. I would never use Adblock on the Caf.
I use uBlock Origin
The BBC have coined a new term for racists.
Samuel’s work is great and has some really useful data. But he and the likes of Deray have been getting a lot of shit for their recent proposals. And rightly so. He is still looking to reform or mitigate the disaster that policing is in this country. I think people like Mariame Kaba, Ruth Gilmore Wilson, Alex Vitale are the ones who have this issue figured out for a long time. Defunding the police aka abolishment movement has been around since the 70s. It isn’t new or radical like how some folks react to it. It is just long overdue. I really hope people embrace it instead of the mean tested BS that will be touted by every Tom, dick and Harry moving forward.
Having read this. And other articles I have started to actually imagine what life would be without any police. After I get over the initial shock of the idea, it starts to play out differently in my head. I start to wonder, why do we really need police. Its an interesting conversation and would definitely love to see even more research on the idea. But actually changing the role of police in the meantime seems a very realistic prospect of packaged properly
Why am i seeing tons of Americans boycotting sports because their spokespersons dare say they're anti-racism? Are these people just openly saying they're for racism now?
These should be following that statue
Its been coming this, it's such a dangerous path to go on.. if your not seen saying or to be seen supporting 'black lives matter' movement you are deemed as a racist. This is the natural path and logic to follow. It's truly simplistic and absurd.
I'm convinced a lot of them are bots/people paid to react like that.
Some are real though are they're just dumb as shit. What are they going to do with their lives after they boycott basically every company?
Some are real though are they're just dumb as shit. What are they going to do with their lives after they boycott basically every company?
Do you support it? And if not why not?
Also literally all Yorkshire tea said was they're against racism and these people shat themselves with anger.
No police? Are you for real? Do you honestly think that criminals and murderers will just start behaving themselves if police disappear?
How will Niall get his second yacht?
It’s all part of this stupid online culture war. Most people who spend a lot of time immersed in social media end up feeling they have to pick a ‘team’. And stick with that team no matter what. Even when it’s backed itself into a blatantly racist corner.
Yeah I'm a data oriented guy myself so I appreciate his analysis of what can be done now in the current system to reduce deaths. But I also see the other side's point that reform is not what's needed.
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Also these people haven't 'not been seen saying or supporting BLM', they are actively against it.
So then you think, why are these people actively against a movement that is asking for black people to be treated equally and not be killed on the streets by police officers? Did these same people express outrage when white people were storming parliament buildings armed to the teeth? Likely not.
I've seen people online and even on my own Facebook who have posted more about looting and the statue than they have about actual people being murdered. That person on my facebook (my uncle) I will no longer speak to.
What type of reform? If it’s things like training, whether it’s extending academy hours, or continuous mandated in-house training, or revamping the field training programs, it costs more money.
If it’s the “vetting” or improving the recruiting and hiring process, again that’s more staff and more hours dedicated to recruiting, testing, interviewing, and screening each applicant, which also costs money.
If it’s the oversight of critical police incidents (civilian or otherwise), to be honest i don’t know too much about it but I imagine it costs money to have an outside independent agency investigate and decide any discipline.
I know a lot of football lads (Millwall, West Ham, Chelsea) and it’s going to be a blood bath if the protestors start smashing up monuments in London again at the weekend.
This all needs to calm down otherwise it’s going to get really ugly
This all needs to calm down otherwise it’s going to get really ugly
They don’t continue spending what they do now, and then add the above on top. Police forces in America have insane budgets.
You stop doing things that are built on a fear and escalation model.
You start doing things that are built on a community and descalation model.
I know a lot of football lads (Millwall, West Ham, Chelsea) and it’s going to be a blood bath if the protestors start smashing up monuments in London again at the weekend.
This all needs to calm down otherwise it’s going to get really ugly
What monuments were smashed up?
Also : You’ve got some garbage friends by the sounds of it.
come on! at least read the article before you comment on it.
No. I don't. Don't get me wrong it's a fairy tale idea. But when you think about it what do they do. Like what do they really do. Where I live, I've never actually seen an officer stop a crime. They usually come in after the fact
. My city is currently under a 2 year state of emergency with the military deployed and people are still dying in broad day light. Most effective thing the police do is issue traffic violations.Having certain agencies to deal with actual issues people have could be a better way to go forward than have a one size fits all plan. There would still be people that investigate crimes, people that try to solve rape cases etc. It's just a thought. But it doesn't seem as farfetched as I once thought.
I used to think it was crazy for police to not be issued guns till I saw that this is exactly what's done in UK. Blew my mind.
What are those things, in practice?
I didn’t say they were my friends. I said I knew them.
I know a lot of football lads (Millwall, West Ham, Chelsea) and it’s going to be a blood bath if the protestors start smashing up monuments in London again at the weekend.
This all needs to calm down otherwise it’s going to get really ugly
I'm a bit confused by this.
Do you mean that fans from those teams will be getting involved and using the protests/ monument smashing as a front to start getting involved in some action themselves.
Or the fans of those 3 clubs have an appreciation for the historical significance of the monuments in our capital and won't take kindly to people attacking that?
Bunch of racist tw*ts.
Anti-racism critics.
What absolute scumbags!!
Then you’ve got the typical pretend hard man giving it the “come on then” when he knows nothings going to happen with a load of police standing right next to him. Take them away and he fecking shits his pants!
no changes!
ffs.
Do you’re response to threats of defunding is to ask for more money to not hurt andkill people without due cause? It’s like a counteroffer or a negotiation.
How about the police do their job without using deadly force as a 1st resort? how about they train to de-escalate situations where possible?
quit crying for more money. PDs have plenty, use it right.
If I’m in a city position:
I’d start with one change: all legal settlements have to come out of police pension funds, effective immediately and retroactively to Jan 1st.
Then we can have discussions on major changes to the way the police pensions and payments are calculated and structured.
Simultaneously we could look at de-funding.
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Hitler was an anti-anti-semitism critic
Fair go. Odd but ok I guess. If they’re planning to turn the streets red with blood you should be calling the Police mate.