Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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I just don’t get why this would obtain any sort of support.
Cutting funding will just lead to more innocent people suffering from crime.
Reformation is what is needed.
What do you do when police unions resist almost any kind of reform that would increase accountability?
Not a day too soon.
If the question was 'should the police be defunded?' then I'm not surprised few would support it.
If it was 'should the police be overhauled and funds directed to helping the communities in more direct ways' then more would support it.
Polls can be cack.
Remove the unions, or depower them at least
What do you think will happen to crime rates if funds are cut?
Innocent people are going to die in substantial numbers.
I know it’s cool to hate the police right now, but the fact of the matter is we need law and order.
The majority of police do a fantastic job.
Your bollocks is a redcafe treasure my friend.
Read up on the power that Police Unions have in many US spots. It’s horrifying.
The Police do not need to be a military unit. They have levels of equipment than many small first world countries don’t have within their militaries.
The term ‘Defund the Police’ doesn’t equal “Get rid of all Police”.
Reform will only occur when budgets shrink.
It blows me away when you see the level of armament in US second-cities. Every state seems to own oodles of military grade vehicles that would cost in order of $250k apiece.
You don't have much experience of US cops, do you? You can't really compare them to the UK.
Genuine family jewels.
If the police can vote for mayor that's blatan extortion, the police + their union + families + friends is enough to sway votes for their "mayor of choices"
No, not in the US. I suggest you read up on the policing system over there and how it's favoured towards white supremacy and excessive force right from the top down. This isn't just a few individuals acting the grain, it's the summation of decades of discriminatory policies towards non-whites and giving the police far too much authority and power.
I can never work out if all the military bollox is paid for by PD budget that could be used in other areas, or the army palming off stuff they don’t need any more for free?
If the former, then that has to be the most stupid wastes of money ever.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2018/los-angeles/nury-martinez/
Nury martinez who introduced the defund police bill, making over 200k in 2018. She should lead by example for the city of LA and divert some of her funds to the community. Damn pandering politicians.
I obviously don’t know anything about American Police budgets...
But I remember around the time of Ferguson there was a story about the army asking for borrowed things back.
To me that suggests there are no freebies. But maybe Army to National Guard to Police has some kind of pooled system.
I’ve read a lot lately that vaguely totalled up spends on military grade body armour at insane volume levels. All of which is proven globally to increase the likelihood of escalating tension when deployed at gatherings. It’s all nuts
I know there's a lot of competition but I think this is probably the most ridiculous tweet Trump has composed:
Are his supporters buying this gibberish?
Are his supporters buying this gibberish?
I think the MRAPs were determined to be crap because they couldn't protect from IEDs so the DoD tried to flog them to US PDs to get some money back.
Its apparently a framing issue. If you say "defund", the public will reflexively think it will lead to higher crime and a general breakdown in order. If you say "reform" then you would probably have a slightly different result.
Same energy.
What they ARE buying is that Trump is for the cops and law & order, which is a big selling point for him to his base.
Wow. Just, wow.
Yeah Joe Biden has to play this just right or he may feck up big. We all know he'll come down on the side of the police though, it's his only option. He just needs to do it so's not to piss off the left-lefty-lefts.
Passing crow told me the blood tasted like strawberry jam.
She's not terrorizing communities and people of color. Childish comment mate.
Wow that is insane. John Oliver did a show about that 'network'. They're basically a state run news channel that absolutely lick Trumps hole and of course are now being given more and more freedom and platform through him.
You raise a valid point that the messaging of this has to be done better. I agree, and that is for more savvy people than me to figure out.
For me it comes down to this. A working yet imperfect system can be tweaked over time to make it go better. But a dysfunctional system that works as intended to the detriment of many citizens, needs to be rebuilt. (Before you rebuild something it needs to be torn down or gutted out, but that may be too close to home for suburban mom's so let's leave that point out).
It says a lot that for many people, the police departments across the country have done so much wrong that calls for their defunding are now national. I've never heard anyone (apart from Rand Paul and his acolytes) call to disband the fire department, Medicare, Social Security... All imperfect public functions who genuinely provide a net benefit to their societies and operate in good faith. The same cannot be said of the police with a straight face.
Again, the messaging can be better and I'm sure it will as emotions die down but too many people have lost hope that better training will stop all this. And can you blame them?
We’ll see what happens to communities if she gets what she wants.
This sounds like lazy bollocks to me.
If you're left but easily swayed by some new ideas that you become right then you're never on one side to begin with.
Sounds like you've stopped challenging yourself to stay educated and you're now set in your ways, which means you're just angry at perceived political correctness which is bollocks in itself.
is he trying to sabotage his own election prospects?
I said it in the Trump thread, but I honestly think that might be his most shocking tweet yet. He's had some truly pathetic, despicable and dangerous tweets, but this is tantamount to putting a hit out on an old man who was the victim of police brutality. Someone is going to try to kill that old man for being a cultural-marxist antifa member.
This is 100% spot on analysis.
Either stay the same or go down.
You have to understand its an opportunity cost. Look at what Olly posted. All that money to LAPD is a massive waste that doesn't reduce crime. Taking some (not all) of that money and investing into communities would do a helluva lot more to actually reduce crime than buying the LAPD a bunch of military grade toys.
And the prison-state absolutely has to be defunded. Get rid of privatized prisons with misaligned incentives, depower the police and prison guard unions and refocus efforts and funds into the community and you'll see crime go down much quicker than wasting money on militarized police.
"The disconnect between police funding and crime rates is a sign of the need to reform the system, advocates say. “It doesn’t make sense that the NYPD budget increases year over year,” says Jennvine Wong, staff attorney at the Legal Aid Society’s Cop Accountability Project in New York City. "
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...cing-budget-has-nearly-tripled-to-115-billion
Not sure which military things you’re referring to. Yes things like the big bearcat vehicles are unnecessary and expensive, at least for smaller departments to have. The only military equipment we personally get are things like bleed/first-aid kits, trauma kits, and tourniquets.