Protests following the killing of George Floyd

Old Trumpy hardly helps the situation, but how many liberal governments in the US have been able to curb police brutality?
True. But I think it's also about A) a leader like Trump actually emboldening them and encouraging their piss poor behaviour and B) maybe I'm not aware, but in the US political system don't the democrats need the support of the republicans to get reforms passed?
 
Old Trumpy hardly helps the situation, but how many liberal governments in the US have been able to curb police brutality?
It's like in my country bigotry has always existed. But it's coming from the top now and hence has assumed a normalcy it didn't have earlier. That's I imagine the Trump effect in Murica.
 
An infinite supply of these, if police brutality videos could be monitised the economy would never slow

 
Is there actually a different in most presidents dealing with this?

Obama/Bush/Clinton would probably be more uniting, diplomatic, sympathetic and appealing to the international community, but behind all those does police violence really that much different / less under any president?

Dumbo was right, this goes beyond trump, this is America without her make up.
 
I have gone over this point again and again. In the social experiment I've quoted, the majority of the experimental subjects shoot at the black friend they know instead of a white stranger. Even black people themselves have the same preconception and make the same decision, do you call this racism? More importantly, these participants are not from the police (institution) at all, so I don't think institutional racism has anything to do with black people more likely to be killed by cops.

I agree with the rest of your post though, and I truly understand institutional racism has created an unfair environment for people of color to live. Like I said before, racism is intolerable and should be discouraged, and there are plenty of classic examples to make a case. It's pathetic to make use of Floyd's death to get the point across. Police brutality is clearly the bigger issue in this case, but it's not properly addressed as the focus is spun.
it's amazing how you think ONE experiment is the absolute truth.
Disregarding of course the fact that all scientific experiments must have enough sample size to be remotely considered.
Also disregarding the fact that there are black people who are completely ignorant of the struggle of their own race like Candace Owen and Ben Carson."
 
I have to wonder if anyone can still say it's just a few bad apples after the last week. Even if you don't go around stating ACAB surely it's clear there's a problem in the system.
 
Both above VDOs are very hard to watch.

I have a feeling Trump will use his presidential powers to pardon every cop found guilty of these offences. Because they seem motivated to ‘dominate’ just like he instructed.

It’s the only thing that makes sense. Else why are these cop cnuts behaving like this, seemingly without fear of repercussions?
 
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An infinite supply of these, if police brutality videos could be monitised the economy would never slow


Someone should make a chronological montage of all the recorded crimes committed by cops. Start at death of floyd and include all major political moments too
 
I have gone over this point again and again. In the social experiment I've quoted, the majority of the experimental subjects shoot at the black friend they know instead of a white stranger. Even black people themselves have the same preconception and make the same decision, do you call this racism? More importantly, these participants are not from the police (institution) at all, so I don't think institutional racism has anything to do with black people more likely to be killed by cops.

I agree with the rest of your post though, and I truly understand institutional racism has created an unfair environment for people of color to live. Like I said before, racism is intolerable and should be discouraged, and there are plenty of classic examples to make a case. It's pathetic to make use of Floyd's death to get the point across. Police brutality is clearly the bigger issue in this case, but it's not properly addressed as the focus is spun.
A big part of the racism construct is to divide & dominate the oppressed culture/race. Read up on something like colourism - black people have long been taught to see their differences as a reason to be wary of each other, that Candace Owens character is a fine example of how years of miseducation can lead to black people separating themselves from each other to feel better than.

You have a criminal system that has 1000s of black Americans serving lengthy spells in prison for marijuana offences in states where white Americans are now legally earning $s from the stuff - these offences can often be for amounts that would be for personal consumption but these men are now criminals nonetheless.

You admit institutional racism creates an unfair environment for people of colour but then lean heavily on a study based in this ‘unfair environment’ based on ‘preconceptions’.

In the spirit of RaceCafe, your post is an idiot. “this study shows black people are also scared of black people so white people cant be racist” gtfoh.

In the social experiment I've quoted, the majority of the experimental subjects shoot at the black friend they know instead of a white stranger.
So the study shows black people have been demonised so much people of all colours would shoot first & ask questions later - I’m failing to see how this is an issue with black violence instead of deeply ingrained racism.
 
From another angle...



How long it takes until somebody helps - and not one from the police... And all just watching...


That 75 yo man is in hospital in serious condition now. Police first official statement was that he tripped and fell.
 
From another angle...



How long it takes until somebody helps - and not one from the police... And all just watching...

These and other threads seem to show that the police all over the country have been told that the brakes are off. This one particularly, not because a 75 year old white man has been assaulted but that even if the officer responsible may have appeared concerned for a moment at the result, he was telling other officers around him to keep moving forward. Would this suggest that the police have been told that they will face no repercussions or is it simply that a few 'bad apples' are allowing whatever thin veneer of decency that normally would hold their brutality in check to slip given the opportunity?
 
These and other threads seem to show that the police all over the country have been told that the brakes are off. This one particularly, not because a 75 year old white man has been assaulted but that even if the officer responsible may have appeared concerned for a moment at the result, he was telling other officers around him to keep moving forward. Would this suggest that the police have been told that they will face no repercussions or is it simply that a few 'bad apples' are allowing whatever thin veneer of decency that normally would hold their brutality in check to slip given the opportunity?

the theory from both adam smith and marx is that the main role of the police is to protect private property (things like great wealth and factories, rather than personal property) from the masses. this is the quote from smith:

It is only under the shelter of the civil magistrate that the owner of that valuable property, which is acquired by the labour of many years, or perhaps of many successive generations, can sleep a single night in security. He is at all times surrounded by unknown enemies, whom, though he never provoked, he can never appease, and from whose injustice he can be protected only by the powerful arm of the civil magistrate continually held up to chastise it

but what the police are doing here goes beyond that. there were reports of police concentrating and using force on a large peaceful crowd even as looters burned shops elsewhere.

 
I think we underestimate the really powerful 'us against the world' mentality that the cops in America probably have right now.

The police brutality has been horrific, and there are so many videos showing so that no one can call this shit anecdotal anymore, but as the tweet implies above, I'm sure they do have a really vicious siege mentality right now. The idea that many would give up or switch sides and that the rioters would prevail was always daft.
 
Is there actually a different in most presidents dealing with this?

Obama/Bush/Clinton would probably be more uniting, diplomatic, sympathetic and appealing to the international community, but behind all those does police violence really that much different / less under any president?

Dumbo was right, this goes beyond trump, this is America without her make up.

One president obviously isn't responsible for so many police officers being scum. But at the very least I have seen a shocking amount of attacks on press people I never would've expected in a country like the US and I can't help but think it's connected to the "fake news" propaganda.
 
I think we underestimate the really powerful 'us against the world' mentality that the cops in America probably have right now.

The police brutality has been horrific, and there are so many videos showing so that no one can call this shit anecdotal anymore, but as the tweet implies above, I'm sure they do have a really vicious siege mentality right now. The idea that many would give up or switch sides and that the rioters would prevail was always daft.
I don't think this siege mentality just developed due to the protests. They have always had that mentality, hence why cops have been so well protected by the law for decades. It's taken the largest protest in history to even get them to do these bare minimum accountability acts the last few days.
 


More of the wrong sort of cyclists
 


Now, we're getting them [criminals] out anyway, but we'd like to get them out a lot faster, and when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, I said, please don't be too nice. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don't hit their head and they've just killed somebody. Don't hit their head. I said, you can take the hand away, okay?

Hope you are satisfied you coward .
 
I'm so glad I don't live in America, how on earth people stop themselves reacting to things like that I've no idea. I know it's probably due to fear for their own life, but my god the sheer nerve of some of the police, in knowing they'll get away with it would tip me over the edge I think.
 
Sorry if posted already, but surely all of these incidents will have to be investigated? This guy wasn't being violent or behaving in a threatening manner.