Pro Evolution Soccer 2011

I am sorry but he does not make it clear, he made assumption only on video that the whole game is crap, and he is wrong, that's all there is to that.

He said that it "looks" shit after quoting your post with 2 videos in. I'd say that's as clear as day.

Of course it doesn't look shit, that's all opinion of course and not something that bothers me as PES has never looked as good as FIFA. It's how it plays that matters and that's where PES has let itself down recently.

So tell me, what's the BETA like? Is it a serious improvement?
 
This looks unbelievably shit. As if they've gone backwards from last year. Worse animations, awful speed. No sign of 360 degree movement whatsoever. Konami clearly taking the piss year after year now.

Totally agree, looks wank. Don't care if the passings all manual and shizzle, no football game is played at that pace.. the passes and dribbling look incredibly fake.
 
Totally agree, looks wank. Don't care if the passings all manual and shizzle, no football game is played at that pace.. the passes and dribbling look incredibly fake.

I agree the passing looks very robotic and the ball collision seems odd but i've always found that with Pro Evo you really need to play it and see how it feels.
 
Everyone that played Master League Online Beta said that this PES is nothing you have ever seen, that they had to get use to the game all over again, all passing is manual and freedom is really big. And pace is much slower and realistic.






Can't wait for the game, they finally got it right! PES is back!


Slow Evolution Soccer
 
So tell me, what's the BETA like? Is it a serious improvement?

The improvements are huge, totally different games, this one and the last few. Can't go so much into details cause I played only a few games but the game is positively different.
But I feel that they really should change the whole engine tbh.


i've always found that with Pro Evo you really need to play it and see how it feels.

Exactly, I had my doubts too before trying...

Slow Evolution Soccer

The speed is exactly like it should be...
 
please explain why the players are glowing?

also, you say its back but you havent played it, so how can you say someone else is wrong for saying it looks awful, when you are saying it looks great without playing it
 
please explain why the players are glowing?

also, you say its back but you havent played it, so how can you say someone else is wrong for saying it looks awful, when you are saying it looks great without playing it

Haven't I said I played it at my friends yesterday a few posts before?
 
Its all about the GAMEPLAY though and if they are making it more manual than assisted then it might be awesome. I played a few fully manual games on FIFA and it was great fun but if I made a video of it then it would have looked crap as there were hardly any shots and lots of messed passes.

Ping pong passing on FIFA happens because of the assists and sadly you can find many games on manual and its horrible playing it versus assisted players. So much more rewarding when it comes off too.

I'll play the demos and use it to make up my mind a bit but even the demo's and betas are not true of the final game so will wait and see before I fully judge.
 
How did you manage to play it?

It looks robotic again. They seem to be really bad at motion capture.

He got Master League online beta test version on PS3, I played it there.

And yeah, FIFA is still much better with motion capture but I couldn't care less if the gameplay is spot on really.
 
This year nearly most game websites are saying PES is going back in the right direction, but i always prefer PES. Hav played last couple of Fifas but its PES for me
 
They really need to change their game engine entirely. From those videos, the game looks really outdated, not in terms of graphics but in gameplay terms.

Like i've said before, i'm not that bothered how it looks. It's how it feels when you play it.
 
Like i've said before, i'm not that bothered how it looks. It's how it feels when you play it.

It'll probably feel how it looks on all the videos. Which is pretty damn rubbish.

They'd be better off taking a couple years off and doing a completely new game because that game engine is so dated now its untrue. They've looked and played the same for far too long and its about time they upped the anti. Just like EA Sports did with FIFA when PES was at the height of its popularity.
 
It'll probably feel how it looks on all the videos. Which is pretty damn rubbish.

Yeah, ignore me and everyone who actually played the game and conclude only on a few videos that the game will be rubbish before even trying it :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, ignore me and everyone who actually played the game and conclude only on a few videos that the game will be rubbish before even trying it :rolleyes:

With all due respect, regardless if you like or not I'm going by what I've seen and heard and the general vibe I get is much of the same shit they've produced over the last couple of years.

It needs a overhaul and until they do that I think it'll be lagging behind FIFA. I'll try it, but I'm fairly certain it'll be not very good.

Sorry if this upsets you.
 
With all due respect, regardless if you like or not I'm going by what I've seen and heard and the general vibe I get is much of the same shit they've produced over the last couple of years.

It needs a overhaul and until they do that I think it'll be lagging behind FIFA. I'll try it, but I'm fairly certain it'll be not very good.

Sorry if this upsets you.

Not upseting me, just a stupid attitude.
 
Not upseting me, just a stupid attitude.

With respect EG, even though I've enjoyed reading your thoughts on this I do take them with a pinch of salt because I remember you making similar posts last year and the game ended up being well wide of where they needed to be.
 
With respect EG, even though I've enjoyed reading your thoughts on this I do take them with a pinch of salt because I remember you making similar posts last year and the game ended up being well wide of where they needed to be.

I don't remember saying anything similar about last years game, I pointed out severl times that PES was quite arcadish and boring from 2008 until now, but this year things change quite a bit.

But TBH, they should change the whole engine and make a real evolution, but they are probably waiting for NG consoles to make that move.


BTW, good news:

@Adam_Bhatti -are there any bugs from preview code like goalkeepes coliding with defenders,not catching easy balls,defender on goal line??

Adam_Bhatti

@dulezmaj89 all bugs gone.

and this:

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And look at this :lol::

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PES 2011 FINAL BUILD HANDS ON IMPRESSIONS



I have been pestering the kind folk at Konami in the hope to play some sort of build of the game, when I arrived this morning I was informed by Steve it was final build!

Now if you want to know anything you don’t already about the menu’s then feel free to ask but I didn’t spend much time with them, instead choosing to goto an exhibition match, picking my beloved (but at this time beloathed) Merseyside Blue against Fat Sam’s team Lancashire.

First thing was the camera panning back and you will be pleased to know I wasn’t having any of the tracking issues I found during fast exchanges, the reason, it was on Wide cam, fear not, it is there!

Another thing that struck me immediately was the true 360 movement, it may have just been me not used to the PS3 pad for this game fully as I spend most of my gaming time with the Xbox pad, it was very difficult to stay in a straight line, I pointed this out straight away to Steve.

Secondly after passing the ball about there does not seem to be that remote control ball to foot curl I noticed at times in the beta, an almost artificial assistance that ensured short passes would find their man, short passes appear just like old with the added control of the power and angle should you wish to play the ball in space, passing seems less powered than the beta, you can easily underhit the pass and also what some considered to be an exploit which was to free the striker with one full powered pass down the centre never happened once, you can hit him but it was far less powerful on full power and the defenders were positioned correctly anyway.

The worrying issue was I won my first game very easily, breezing past players, AI standing off and could easily shoot from outside the box, I even scored a soft goal from outside the box with Cahill as my first goal, but I wasn’t impressed, the good thing though was that the difficulty was on Regular, so changed that right away, was going to show off and go straight to Top Player but decided against it as Professional (4 stars of old) always eased me in without letting me exploit it, the change was immediate the following game as long shots were charged down easily when I was not making space and they have a new urgency when attacking your goal, but I was still doing well enough to scrape by one goal advantages.

Decided to start a new Master League with Merseyside Blue, had a look at the default tactics, said I was a “Long Ball” team, I agreed and set to play with the default formation, was held to a scrappy 0-0 draw by Middlebrook, second game was away to Man United, took the lead with a Saha header from a corner and held my own, but they always score and they did again, then in the final minute Cahill headed in a cross from close range to get me the win, I know it sounds a little far fetched but bear in mind my new found optimism that I was awesome was chopped down when I failed to win any of the 3 following games, ah just like old times!

Now let me talk a little of what I think is the best part of the game, the animations, I could not see one recycled movement from 2010, every replay up close helps you understand as well, the sense of weight to the players and the way every touch is context sensitive, whether reaching because they know the defender may get there first, ensuring the ball does not go out of play (which was a massive problem in the beta), even the shooting which I criticized earlier in the beta is so realistic in the way they will run onto a loose ball to hit with venom or planting a foot to gain more accuracy in a tight space, I cannot think of any time when I thought a real life player could have taken that differently, the replays just highlight how smooth this all moves, I was looking for faults but could not see any, it just moved so smooth, the unneccessary backheel when a simple side foot pass would have been more effective was toned down as well.

An issue that was in the beta was when a player was tackled he was stunned and could not move out of the stumbling animation, this has been totally fixed and I confirmed it in the replay where my player was tackled from behind but regained his composure before the ball ran out of to play to cross for a headed goal by Cahill, to add to this players are more aware too when the ball is close to going out of play and will make more of an effort to do keep in play.

Goalkeepers are terrific now, commanding their area and not allowing soft near post goals, I only scored one long range goal and one moment when I thought the goalie was at error I checked the replay and he was wrong footed and could not adjust in time, just like real life, and they also come off their line when the situation demands it, due to the feedback from the beta I wonder if they may have been made too good, but time will tell.

I was critical of the new defending system but more time with this and I found it useful, gave away quite a few fouls by sticking a leg in too early but did manage to block and intercept a few times, it will be something to master over four weeks not four hours though.

Trick wise I did not have the rainbow flick in my preset tricks so honestly could not try this to see if it has been remedied in time, hopefully if it has not then it will be something that can be patched up in time for release, the demo next week you will be able to see this anyway so I am not holding any information back about this.

There are two actual types of tricks too, one set where you are running with the ball and another where you have the ball standing still, the running kind is quite effective if timed correctly, using Cahill I was able to flick the ball with my trailing leg into space to move past two defenders, with the tricks being simple to pull off time will tell if it is too effective, I must say though you can’t just hold L2 and lightly flick the right stick, it needs to be pushed in that direction quite purposefully to register, me being old fashioned does miss the double tap bumper to do feints, square and x pressed in conjunction still does the shot feint but is it used in conjunction with the stick and is less exaggerated too but still does the job when timed right.

One thing I should also point out I never actually messed with any tactics apart from changing formations for a game when I was going through a slump but when I was 1-0 down in a match in the last 10 minutes of the match and my team made a very visible move up the pitch to squeeze the play and push for the equalizer, this was done on its own so I am not sure if it assigned to that team tactically by default or this genuinely happens no matter what but I thought it was an excellent touch and really increased the urgency.

Sound wise the commentary was in there and it is pretty much the same as it has always been but Jim Beglin was more understated than Mark Lawresnson, it was hard to grasp the sound as I was playing this in Steve’s office where he was busy on the phone but one moment which made me laugh out loud was when I had Leighton Baines out wide ready to cross the ball and Jon Champion shouted “ITS HIM!” like he was pointing out a murder suspect to the police!

For my last two games before leaving I tried the Copa Libertadores mode, whereas the main menu’s in the normal game modes are dark backgrounds with pictures of Messi and your team in ML mode the Copa Libertadores is bright and warm, a white background with an orange/red swirl through the middle of the screen and of course some south american music to accompany this.

I had to try my idol’s team from PES’ past Roberto Carlos and Corinthians and you are greeted with a nice cut scene before going into the draw.

Before kick off the change in atmosphere is apparent, it is bright with confetti streaming down, flares in the stands, different advertisement boards and the crows chanting natively.

Once you kick off I felt as if I was in a carnival so proceeded to play it that way using tricks, one-two passing and generally just treating it like an exhibition, my loving moment came however when I was awarded a free kick, I said to Steve I hope it defaults to Carlos…and it did, standing in his own familiar pose took his massive run up and I hit in the corner but the keeper managed to palm it away, whether it was the lower stats of the players it just felt a joy to play and a nice light hearted alternative to the scrap of the Master League where I went 5 games without a win!

I never tried online because there wouldn’t have been anyone to play against so I never ventured onto any menu’s on that side, I did look at the PES shop and looked at some serious and also rather amusing additions to the stadiums from Konami days of old.

There was a couple of small niggles I pointed out, which happened twice was when crossing the ball the cursor selected my man at the back post, but the man that was AI controlled at the front post headed the ball on its own accord, also another slight niggle which happened twice in 17 or so games was an underpowered slightly floaty shot which felt as if the keeper would have had more than enough time to reach actually travelled in the goal, these were not in any way game breaking but I thought I should mention amid all the positivity as you may be thinking I have taken a bung!

Summary

To be honest I wasn’t as excited going into the playtest as I could have been, partly due to the MLO beta which I thought provided me with a sufficient overview of what this years game was about and I could have easily waited for the demo which I knew wouldn’t be far away.

What did literally shock me though was how far advanced the final code was compared to the beta, I did not expect them to have the time to achieve what they did, fixing literally every issue I had, I was even happy with the responsiveness of the player dribbling once I mastered this in the beta so I thought that was the way it was going to be but they totally improved that too, now if you press to turn you don’t need to plan it one step ahead, it is instant.

I can honestly say if PES was the game you loved four years ago and walked away (understandably) then this is the game to bring you back, it will demand your patience as always, you will know the amount of dedication to be become good at the game.

The acid test will be in two months time on the forums, are we all still enjoying it, is it too easy once mastered, is there any obvious exploits etc.

If you left the game after losing faith in the series this is the one to bring you back in, give it a chance.

PES EVOLVES


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Good times, very optimistic about this one, played the MLO and I am glad that they fixed so many things from then!!
 
I don't remember saying anything similar about last years game, I pointed out severl times that PES was quite arcadish and boring from 2008 until now, but this year things change quite a bit.

From the 2010 thread.

In response to someone saying Fifa was still the better game:

No it is not, certainly not after trying 2010, after a few years, PES is going back to the top.

That "sluggish" gameplay is much better and more realistic than past two PES games "lightning quick action" gameplay, this PES is really a BIG step forward, KONAMI is on a right way once again after two bad games.

Now I'm going back to stuff Liverpool some more with Germany:)

You're not waxing lyrical like you are with this one but the fact you did rave a bit about it and considered it to be a better game than Fifa will always make your views somewhat questionable, imo anyway.

That said, I do enjoy reading your posts and you have gotten me excited about this years PES with some of the things you've said :)
 
From the 2010 thread.

In response to someone saying Fifa was still the better game:





You're not waxing lyrical like you are with this one but the fact you did rave a bit about it and considered it to be a better game than Fifa will always make your views somewhat questionable, imo anyway.

That said, I do enjoy reading your posts and you have gotten me excited about this years PES with some of the things you've said :)

Guilty as charged :nervous:, that was probably after playing just a few games of PES 2010 and not being positive about it despite it being arcadish again, and I haven't played console version of FIFA alot back then.

Things changed though, played alot of FIFA 10 on PS3 since then and realised how wrong I was.

But this years PES is really something different though, I left my fanboism long time ago and I am just glad that this year we will have 2 great football games to play!
 
Cant wait for this. I've gotten my hopes up for the last 3 releases only to be disappointed but this year looks different. From the early reports and beta testers it captures the magic of pes 6, which i thought was the best out of the lot.


Anyway, demo should be out on sept 15th.
 
Cant wait for this. I've gotten my hopes up for the last 3 releases only to be disappointed but this year looks different. From the early reports and beta testers it captures the magic of pes 6, which i thought was the best out of the lot.


Anyway, demo should be out on sept 15th.

I have a good feeling about this one too. I have no idea why though.
 
Cant wait for this. I've gotten my hopes up for the last 3 releases only to be disappointed but this year looks different. From the early reports and beta testers it captures the magic of pes 6, which i thought was the best out of the lot.


Anyway, demo should be out on sept 15th.

If it is the MLO beta testers you are talking about, then apparently we are in for a real treat, cause the finished game (which the demo is based on) is FAR better than the MLO game (which was 60/70% code i heard)
 
I have a good feeling about this one too. I have no idea why though.

yup, i think because of the community feedback more than anything and a very frank interview from one of the PES development team a couple of weeks ago.

do you play on PS3/Xbox/PC ?

I normally buy 2 copies, PS3 and PC. PS3 i only play when the mates are around and by my lonesome on the laptop with the PS2 pad, particularly when im playing online.

One of the fundamental aspects of the game for me is online, and the Konami servers were a complete joke in Pes 07-09. Pes 10 was a big improvement in terms of lag but they still messed up big time with the whole Intel CPU players having problems with AMD CPU players. This is my biggest wish for Pes 11, faultless online games.