Premier League Matchweek 5 16th-18th September

Did you expect Bournemouth to get something at City or Burnley at Leicester? Chelsea/Liverpool either side winning wouldn't be good. Hull are probably falling back to earth with a bump and will end up where you would expect. We have to do our job.
Fecking hell mate chill out. All I said is it was a shite weekend for us so far, which is has been! Never even mentioned our game, as it is played tomorrow, that's what 'so far' means! Of course if we win tomorrow it's not so bad. It just means we have to win tomorrow like you said!
 
City have players who can grab goals. Aguerro 20+, KDB 15+ Sterling 15+ the youngster, whose name I cannot spell, will get a good number of goals. We rely on Zlatan, Martial is not scoring, we signed Memphis who cannot hit a barn door. Rashford will get some goals, we do not produce enough goals from midfield. That is what will do for us. We need to put the ball in the net. We are producing chances, but our finishing is certainly not up to scratch.
 
In 99 we qualified from a group with Barca (they were Spanish double winners with the world player of the year in their team) and Bayern in it. We beat Inter and an immense Juve (Zidane, Davids & Deschamps) team on the way to the final. We were 100% worthy winners.

This. Add to that we scored so many last minute winners at wasn't out of the blue we did it again in the final.
 
I remember a few years ago when big Phil Scolari took over at Chelsea and they won their first 10 games or so 4 or 5 nil and the world and his dog were suggesting it was all over by xmas. They didnt win it. Dont panic about city. Theyre very good, but this form wont last forever.
With Previous City sides Id agree...but Pep has won the league in every season bar one that he has been manager. He knows how to get the job done.
 
Mourinho is called a failure by some for not winning the CL with Madrid.

Also ppl here aren't claiming Guardiola was a failure, rather that it wasn't all magic as ppl claim.
Also that Bayern team already came 2nd in every competition in 2012 then increased their squad quality further and got over the "loser" tag by coming 1st in every competition one year later. Plus half of their team were in the German starting 11 which were making tournament semis and finals for ever and won the world cup in 2014. So while he did a very good (but not amazing) job at Bayern, their players were also top level already before Pep entered the Bundesliga.

The only failure of Pep with Bayern was his away tactics in the CL where away goals are so important as that team just sucks in a 4-3-3 that he about always tries whereas the mistake to catch a goal was always in to happen - especially if the offense did not shoot one and the opponent did not have to open up a little.
 
Every game is a must win game .But hardly end of the world if we lose tomorrow.
 
What is Jose's style ? Genuine question btw.
I consider Jose's style to be an adaptable pragmatic approach to football, It is not take your breath away with passing or fluid attack but it is based around having a solid defense, hard working midfield and good strikers/wingers. He has a focus on getting opponents to make errors when attacking for a counter attack to develop and exploit them however Jose can also be attacking when facing lesser opponents and tries to get goals to make the game manageable.
 
Regardless of whether City won today or got destroyed 10-0, tomorrow's game was always a must win for United, you don't want to lose three games in a row, ever.
 
With Previous City sides Id agree...but Pep has won the league in every season bar one that he has been manager. He knows how to get the job done.

Just trying to stay positive! Theres still big question marks over the defence, for me anyway.
 
Some really boring games this afternoon, even West Brom v West Ham turned out that way.
 
We were very fortunate to win the one in '99, to be fair. Bayern were much better barring the 5 minute bottlejob and some inspired subs. In Moscow, we were one penalty (thank you, Terry) from losing that one; the other's were against an unbeatable Barcelona. In hindsight, we're fortunate we got the two we did, let alone, won the others against Barca.
Well the competition is not won only in the final, we faced top opposition from the beginning to the end, we faced better opponents than any other team, we had the group of death, we had to play the 2nd legs against Inter and Juve away, we only had 3 days rest before the CL final while Bayern had 6, and we were missing Keane and Scholes. In the end we remained unbeaten in the CL (both in 99 and 2008).

Plus in the group stages when the game ended 2-2 in Munich, Bayern's one goal shouldn't have been given as their players were offside TWICE in the build-up. Then Bayern would have been out already with 2 defeats in the first 2 games. Not that I am complaining, as the end to this CL final wouldn't have been the same without Bayern.
If anything it was time we got some "luck" in the CL that year.
 
So the ones who looked down upon la liga because Madrid and Barca were and are sweeping teams left and right... pep arrives, turns a team into one that can come close to the top 2 of la liga on a footballing level and suddenly there are early signs of them coasting through this amazing league with no easy games these PL snobs spoke of...

Heh.
 
In 99 we qualified from a group with Barca (they were Spanish double winners with the world player of the year in their team) and Bayern in it. We beat Inter and an immense Juve (Zidane, Davids & Deschamps) team on the way to the final. We were 100% worthy winners.

Especially considering Bayern finished 1st in our group (and got a much easier path to the final) thanks to a blatant offside goal versus us.

The final itself was closely contested (it's on youtube). Neither side was particularly dominant, but we got lucky a couple of times when Bayern hit the woodwork.
 
Must-win game versus Watford in Septbember...bloody hell.

Have a word with yourselves.
This.

City are not perfect and injuries and the Christmas schedule will happen which pep will need to deal as well as phyiscal strikers getting in the face of Bravo.

They are not Barca nor the late 80s milan side
 
Looking at these results it's clear United need to step up their attacking game.
 
Expect Deeney's ugly mug to score tomorrow.

That's what I am worried aswell, probably 77 th minute and then we start surging forward with attack attack , and the Red Cafe meltdown to start at 2 pm
 
Especially considering Bayern finished 1st in our group (and got a much easier path to the final) thanks to a blatant offside goal versus us.

The final itself was closely contested (it's on youtube). Neither side was particularly dominant, but we got lucky a couple of times when Bayern hit the woodwork.
Bayern should have won that game...easily.

In our defense though,we played a second string midfield.
 
Bayern should have won that game...easily.

In our defense though,we played a second string midfield.

Bayern were unlucky, but some people are making it seem like it was daylight robbery. It wasn't. It was a closely contested game, even if Bayern seemed to be in control.
 
I agree with that. But it isn't this one game which I am impressed with.
It's every game that MCFC have played this season. I think they have a 100% win percentage. Only Chelsea (I think) have this.
We, on the other hand, have 2 losses already.
Unlike last season, there is no obvious/quick fix to our problems - we already have a Galactico class manager and also have the most expensive player in the World.

Anyway, fingers crossed that we can win tomorrow.

They have looked good overall but I don't quite agree with what you're saying. Against Sunderland they weren't all that good and scraped a win, even against Stoke they didn't just steamroll them despite the 4-1 scoreline and Stoke had a clear penalty denied. Missed their game against West Ham where they were apparently brilliant in the first half and struggled a bit in the second. Against us I don't think they were as brilliant as has been stated, they controlled the game but we could barely pass a ball without pressure, never mind with it in that first half.

Didn't watch today's game either where they seem to have been brilliant, but then didn't they also smash Bournemouth last season? They're just the type of side City's attackers love playing against, far too open for their own good.
 
Bayern were unlucky, but some people are making it seem like it was daylight robbery. It wasn't. It was a closely contested game, even if Bayern seemed to be in control.

They were the better side
 
Must-win game versus Watford in Septbember...bloody hell.

Have a word with yourselves.

It's a bit more than that. We have lost twice in succession...we are meant to win against Watford...it's becoming a confidence thing for the team...so yes..actually we really do need to win tomorrow. For the teams mental state that is....
 
They have looked good overall but I don't quite agree with what you're saying. Against Sunderland they weren't all that good and scraped a win, even against Stoke they didn't just steamroll them despite the 4-1 scoreline and Stoke had a clear penalty denied. Missed their game against West Ham where they were apparently brilliant in the first half and struggled a bit in the second. Against us I don't think they were as brilliant as has been stated, they controlled the game but we could barely pass a ball without pressure, never mind with it in that first half.

Didn't watch today's game either where they seem to have been brilliant, but then didn't they also smash Bournemouth last season? They're just the type of side City's attackers love playing against, far too open for their own good.
They were very poor against Sunderland.

Missed the Stoke game.

Amazing in the first half against West Ham.Breathtaking football. Yet the second half was so much closer.

Played us off the park in the first half last week.
 
Ihenacho is one of the most robotic people ever when in interviews
 
well...I think that makes tomorrow a pretty 'must win' game....don't you think...

I'd love to gloat, but if you lose tomorrow, we are only 6 points ahead of you.

6 points is nothing. Win, lose or draw tomorrow and you can still win the league comfortably. Or not, depending on how it pans out.

My point is, tomorrow is anything but a "must win game".