[DSG]

I rest my case

 

[wolvored]

I do of course, but I take issue with saying that Chelsea did better vs Pool than we did vs Young Boys, which is objectively false.

End of the day it took a gift from Jesse for us to lose today, for all their bluster YB created only 2 chances, one from a deflected cross and the other the miss immediately after the red.

 

[croadyman]

We won't. We're going into the rest of these games basically 1-0 down, desperately chasing wins against Villarreal and Atalanta for the next 4 games.

This result has absolutely fecked the group for us.

Well if we can't turn this around in the next 5 games then don't deserve to get out of this group anyway

 

[Ranchero]

??? Lingard was put on because of his excellent work rate to try and apply pressure further up the pitch. We weren’t getting that from Ronaldo. I don’t think that’s a “park the bus’ approach when you are a man down. You could argue that Greenwood might have been a better option, but he doesn’t have the work rate of Lingard. Seriously, I think you fellas need to take a break from football for awhile. This is a painful loss, but this team won their league last season, they are pretty well coached. I think the outrage is a bit comical.

You argue against yourself. He is supposed' to be further up the pitch but was sucked deep like everyone. If he was further upfield he doesnt do the backpass. The backpass was a product of our negativity. Ronaldo was trying to get us higher up the pitch. Shame Ole couldnt see that. But this is not the first time with him and wont be the last.

 

[hellhunter]

Well if we can't turn this around in the next 5 games then don't deserve to get out of this group anyway

Exactly, if we can't beat three very beatable teams at home, today was not the (only) issue

 

[United Hobbit]

I've just been sent a stat, unsure if genuine "United have lost 7 of their 13 CL matches under OGS. 13% of their total defeats in the competition have come under him (7/54) despite him only being in charge for 4% of our matches (11/231)"

Tonight was the first time I've got the faintest hint that unless he sorts things out, he could lose the dressing room at some point. It's great we've got players who have won things now and those that seemingly have a winning mentality, the trouble for Ole is they expect to be challenging to win things, not acting like Burnley

Yes the red card didn't help but we were at sixes and sevens at the back even before that. Young Boys actually looked quite good, though that may have just been us making them look that way
To then end the game with 7 defenders, bringing on someone like Jlingz who's at best a squad player when the likes of Greenwood sit on the bench, and despite the 7 defenders still managing to concede from a catastrophic error from a player who should have been sold

This is not a reaction to the game, as I said it when the draw was made, but I will say again, not getting out this group should be a sackable offence.

 

[Godfather]

Man and I was so looking forward to this game and a proper CL challenge this year. Good start...

 

[mu4c_20le]

Even if we got a draw though, I would still be pointing the finger at Ole for allowing us to play like that. It was a shambolic performance even for 10 men.

We defended well before the goal. They got the ball but couldn't do much with it.

 

[Devil may care]

The sending off doesn't excuse that second half performance, we just reverted to playing how Newcastle played on Saturday but with less pace on the counter, we had no tactical pkan that was visible andwe couldn't keep hold of the ball.

 

[El Zoido]

You argue against yourself. He is supposed' to be further up the pitch but was sucked deep like everyone. If he was further upfield he doesnt do the backpass. The backpass was a product of our negativity. Ronaldo was trying to get us higher up the pitch. Shame Ole couldnt see that. But this is not the first time with him and wont be the last.

When Martial came on, he dropped back in place of Fred seemingly? It was bizarre.

 

[DSG]

We won't. We're going into the rest of these games basically 1-0 down, desperately chasing wins against Villarreal and Atalanta for the next 4 games.

This result has absolutely fecked the group for us.

Whoa, there sunshine! Enough positivity! Have you thought of a career as a therapist? Sheesh…

 

[The Hilton]

Care to explain how I'm wrong? Or are kids emojis the limit of your vocabulary?

 

[TMDaines]

I've just been sent a stat, unsure if genuine "United have lost 7 of their 13 CL matches under OGS. 13% of their total defeats in the competition have come under him (7/54) despite him only being in charge for 4% of our matches (11/231)"

Tonight was the first time I've got the faintest hint that unless he sorts things out, he could lose the dressing room at some point. It's great we've got players who have won things now and those that seemingly have a winning mentality, the trouble for Ole is they expect to be challenging to win things, not acting like Burnley

Yes the red card didn't help but we were at sixes and sevens at the back even before that. Young Boys actually looked quite good, though that may have just been us making them look that way
To then end the game with 7 defenders, bringing on someone like Jlingz who's at best a squad player when the likes of Greenwood sit on the bench, and despite the 7 defenders still managing to concede from a catastrophic error from a player who should have been sold

This is not a reaction to the game, as I said it when the draw was made, but I will say again, not getting out this group should be a sackable offence.

In fairness, he’s only had one group stage and has otherwise played PSG twice and Barca twice. Still a shite record.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

What a disappointing performance. We deserved nothing but to loose this game.

 

[croadyman]

What result do we want in the other game tonight

 

[Sandikan]

S'pose it was a fair red. I just wanted a quick vent tbh.

Understood brother.
There's page loads of people doing similar.

That was just an upsetting game that did marvellously is culling all the euphoria we'd been whipping up the last week.

 

[Name Changed]

We defended well before the goal. They got the ball but couldn't do much with it.

We should be trying to attack, not park the bus for an hour. It's as if no team has ever won before after getting a man sent off.

 

[Ranchero]

Absolutely fine. I've got no issue with blaming Ole for things like the team (though everyone pre game said fine... some even said too many first teamers), the tactics or the subs.

But to ONLY moan about Ole is stupid? Those posters get on my fecking nerves.. it feels like they're almost happy we lost so they can say "I was right, Ole is shit"

AWB was an idiot, Lingard was an idiot... there's a few mistakes tonight.

If I was Lingard, I'd go and stand next to Ole in the post match and apologise. Two minutes, one fecking job (run hard, support the defence, don't do anything stupid).

Why do you think Lingard is so deep? It was a product of our mental park bus tactics. I mean if you take Ronaldo and Fernandes off..it better work. But it failed abysmally. Predictably. Soo soooooo predictable

 

[Sandikan]

What result do we want in the other game tonight

We probably want a winner, as you'd expect both will beat YB home and away, so if they draw it could leave it very precarious if we slip up again.

 

[TMDaines]

What result do we want in the other game tonight

To qualify, you probably want any win, then the same team to win again in the reverse match.

To win the group, you probably want two draws.

 

[Piratesoup]

Damn first I'm hearing of that. Terrible news.

Holy shit... that's awful. Him and Lock so close together. World lost a huge chunk of brilliant comedy.

 

[Ranchero]

When Martial came on, he dropped back in place of Fred seemingly? It was bizarre.

It was mental. There was no logic. Martial didnt look like he wanted to come on and played that way

 

[mu4c_20le]

We should be trying to attack, not park the bus for an hour. It's as if no team has ever won before after getting a man sent off.

I agree our response after the goal was poor, but the thing is we were a goal up when the red card happened. It doesn't make sense when people expect us to go all out and kill the game just because they are some swiss side, in that situation.

 

[Ixion]

In fairness, he’s only had one group stage and has otherwise played PSG twice and Barca twice. Still a shite record.

To be honest we barely deserved to win that PSG away game. Gave us a couple of gifts.

 

[2 man midfield]

To qualify, you probably want any win, then the same team to win again in the reverse match.

To win the group, you probably want two draws.

Luckily the other 3 teams are quite evenly matched. If we were in this group with a big side then we’d be looking at second place already, but I can see the others all taking an even amount of points off each other.

 

[Tom Cato]

Ive rewatched Jesses assist a few times.

Beautiful pass.

 

[croadyman]

We probably want a winner, as you'd expect both will beat YB home and away, so if they draw it could leave it very precarious if we slip up again.

Agree with beating them at home but don't think they will find it easy in Switzerland either, god that place is a graveyard for us at times always remember that horror injury for Nemanja in Basel (shudders)

 

[Godfather]

You should really take a break. Go read a book.

He is spot on

 

[Tom Cato]

To be honest we barely deserved to win that PSG away game. Gave us a couple of gifts.

We won so im not sure how this whataboutism changes factual events.

 

[wolvored]

It’s one thing to say “what about the crazy subs”, and it’s another to back it up. Tell me, what subs did he make that were a mistake at the time, and, since you seem to think you know a lot about football tactics, what would your subs have been and why?

He brings Verane on and takes VDB off so we basically allow YB to get to our area with nothing to stop them in midfield. He then takes off our goal threat by bringing off Bruno and Ronaldo, then flip flops on 89 mins and brings on Martial for a quick goal, who has shown nothing of note and leaves Greenwood on the bench. Best sub he did was taking the ineffectual Sancho off.
My subs would have gone 3 at the back with Verane for Pogba or Shaw. Matic for Fred. Shaw would have played higher if I left him on. Greenwood for Sancho and gone 3-4-2 or 3-4-1-1. Defending 4-4-1 with Matic dropping to defence and Bruno midfield.

 

[Sandikan]

Agree with beating them at home but don't think they will find it easy in Switzerland either, god that place is a graveyard for us at times always remember that horror injury for Nemanja in Basel (shudders)

I can still see that big oaf leaning on him and totally wrecking him after that.

We'll see how the others do on that pitch tonight. See if it is as upsetting as we found it.

 

[DSG]

You argue against yourself. He is supposed' to be further up the pitch but was sucked deep like everyone. If he was further upfield he doesnt do the backpass. The backpass was a product of our negativity. Ronaldo was trying to get us higher up the pitch. Shame Ole couldnt see that. But this is not the first time with him and wont be the last.

And here we are… Ole blamed for Lingard’s poor back pass. The tactics were to hit the ball over the top for Martial to either get loose or kill the game with a point. Lingard was playing deeper, in Fred’s spot because Fred was absolutely knackered and not closing quick enough.

Stop. If you need someone to blame because that’s how you vent, fine, but it doesn’t make it right or valid. I know that intellectually, it’s hard to imagine that one can make the right choice, but have the wrong outcome (or vice versa), but sometimes this happens in life.

 

[croadyman]

He brings Verane on and takes VDB off so we basically allow YB to get to our area with nothing to stop them in midfield. He then takes off our goal threat by bringing off Bruno and Ronaldo, then flip flops on 89 mins and brings on Martial for a quick goal, who has shown nothing of note and leaves Greenwood on the bench. Best sub he did was taking the ineffectual Sancho off.

Yeah I thought Mason would come on instead of Jesse

 

[Name Changed]

I agree our response after the goal was poor, but the thing is we were a goal up when the red card happened. It doesn't make sense when people expect us to go all out and kill the game just because they are some swiss side, in that situation.

Big difference between going all out and parking the bus mate. There is a happy medium.

 

[RoadTrip]

Why the hell did we sub Fred for Martial? It made no sense, at all, at that point, no matter how shite Fred is. Without that sub Lingard isn’t in that position.

Can’t control mental nonsense like what Lingard did, but as a manager one surely has to do things in a way which limit the chances of stuff like that. Lingard never should have been in that spot.

I also understand becoming more defensive after the red card but Jesus, we needed some balance. We can just defend and hoof it clear for 60 minutes.

And final thought, I also can’t understand why none of our guys made any effort to keep the ball. I’d struggle to find any point where we had it for more than 10 seconds in the second half. Was bizarre.

 

[TMDaines]

Luckily the other 3 teams are quite evenly matched. If we were in this group with a big side then we’d be looking at second place already, but I can see the others all taking an even amount of points off each other.

I said it was a tougher group than people thought as soon as Atalanta came out of Pot 3. Young Boys out of Pot 4, considering their record last year, was potentially going to offer real problems too, especially when you play them with 10 men.

Comments on here leading up to the game were farcical. Teams need to be good to reach the CL for the most part.

 

[Suedesi]

 

[mu4c_20le]

Big difference between going all out and parking the bus mate. There is a happy medium.

You have to run harder when you are a man down. And they are playing at home with the crowd behind him. It's an unnecessary tactic when you are comfortably a goal up and they are taking pot shots outside the box.

 

[Sandikan]

That Lingard back pass was like the Gerrard one v Chelsea.
At least Gerrard had a reason for such behaviour!

 

[RuudTom83]

Was a mess of a game...but you should never over analyse a match too much...the circumstances caused chaos and no one came out of it with any glory.

Have a brew and an early night...bring on the weekend.