I'm not watching that many United matches, but haven't seen so many hoofs from defense or hail marys to the frontal area of the pitch in a while. Is this a thing in the PL still? If not, it's a sign of a deeply discouraged team.
EL L Europa League Round of 16 1st Leg
Liverpool 2:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Thu, 10 March 2016
If lvg is not sacked tomorrow we deserve everything we get.
Actually I'll rephrase that. We already deserve this facking shitstorm for not having the stones to sack the prick back in December.
Incredible that the men in charge of a multi billion pound business are so facking gutless.......
Actually I'll rephrase that. We already deserve this facking shitstorm for not having the stones to sack the prick back in December.
Incredible that the men in charge of a multi billion pound business are so facking gutless.......
Don't think anyone will argue with you there.
How does a United team not turn up against the Scouses? Horrible performance, poor selection and typically stupid post game comments.
We are on the verge of watching our season crashing before Easter.
We are on the verge of watching our season crashing before Easter.
This is exactly where I am too, numb throughout much of the game and move on quickly after. I still care, but evertime I've built myself up this season we come crashing down, so this way is best.
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I'm out then, gave up lying for lent.
Please choose a rating between 1 and 10 for all players."
I'm out then, gave up lying for lent.
I believe we're the only 1s doing it, West ham, Stoke city and Bournemouth have moved on they now have a philosphy, were still in a process.
If memory serves me right SAF had Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Scholes, Nani.. Adding to the fact that lot have played together for years.
Like most here I never thought clearing out the deadwood was the right approach because it leaves the team lacking a proper backbone. He might have overestimated the potential of Smalling, Carrick and Rooney to be leaders but they've always been carried.. Non of them has ever overshadowed the bunch that left, so expecting the to automatically rise to the leadership challenge was an unnecessary and foolish gamble.
Need to dust ourselves down after tonight and fast. 2-0 isn't the worst or margins, but all Liverpool have to do now is sit deep and play on the counter.
Have to beat West ham at the weekend, our only hope of securing European football for next season.
Have to beat West ham at the weekend, our only hope of securing European football for next season.
I don't really know where to start with what went wrong tonight... No passion out there at all, we looked confident at the start because of the recent form but that soon disappeared after they scored.
We just looked so disjointed all over the pitch and there was no flow to our play what so ever, it was more just hit and hope.
The thing that worries me is how Klopp has got them to adapt to his way of thinking in six months with a team that was inherited. We've spent £200-300 million (who knows the actual amount) and there are still so many holes in the team and we don't seem to have a plan or an identity. I hear Scholes talking about the United way for 20 years but I think that is part of the problem, the club are living in the past and we need to move forward with the times.
We just looked so disjointed all over the pitch and there was no flow to our play what so ever, it was more just hit and hope.
The thing that worries me is how Klopp has got them to adapt to his way of thinking in six months with a team that was inherited. We've spent £200-300 million (who knows the actual amount) and there are still so many holes in the team and we don't seem to have a plan or an identity. I hear Scholes talking about the United way for 20 years but I think that is part of the problem, the club are living in the past and we need to move forward with the times.
That is a truly awful Liverpool team, they have been outplayed by many teams this season. LVG's reign has simply been terrible.
Totally agree,
I just don't understand why teams/players who haven't ever worked with Fergie can manage this too.
Maybe we really have just had 2 shite managers and when we get the right one in it will click like before, because we have the players to win trophies...
It really doesn't look like it's going to happen. This team is all over the shop.
He is clearly getting sacked when we can't make top four and that is going to happen folks.
What a ridiculous state of affairs.
And when we needed to hoof the ball in to the box with a minute remaining we didn't even have the urgency to do that ... painfully bad. Players not good enough, tactics not good enough, just really really bad...
Hope he will be don't want to see him in a United shirt again..
Any chance Rooney is back for the 2nd leg? He would have at least put up more of a fight
He's not dumb. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is probably hurting more than any of us are at what's happening to the club, so may blurt out some odd emotive comments once in a while.
The principle of what he's saying is spot on. No other 'top' club in the World would be tolerating this significant a decline in such a short space of time.
feck it, i'll say it. i don't want us to acheive anything the rest of the season that will potentially risk having LVG here next season. i do not buy what manchester united are selling me, i do not believe lvg even has our best interests at heart.
feck lvg, feck the board... i don't want us to do a thing that will preserve this feckery any more.
oh come off it. you can't see what he's saying there? really? did bayern and barca put up with this shit as long as we have?
Scholes actually gave a balanced opinion on LVG, the game and the players. I am a big fan of LVG myself but any other club should have/ would have fired him by now.
He even tried explaining the Fellaini comment to Steve. Bless him.
They're kind of the other extreme but at least their high turnover, circus-style, approach seems to keep them competitive and attractive to prospective players.
Apart from our history and eroding stature in the game, there are 4 or 5 clubs more attractive to potential players than us now. Only a big name manager with the promise of an exciting project is going to get us the talent we need to rebuild next year.
I agree.
I was more just pointing it out as they were one of the examples he gave for saying "this would never happen there"
I didn't watch as it was a 4am start. Why did Fellaini play in such an important game for our season when he hasn't played for ages?
I understand what he means. But he's just not cut out for punditry. He belongs amongst the United fans at the local pub or something.. he spouted absolutely reactionary nonsense all night - the kind of stuff you'd expect to read on an MUFC forum. Honestly, I don't think he should be anywhere close to being a pundit on a top sports channel. He has a very simplistic idea of football... and that's being kind.
And he got the sack quite quickly when it started to go wrong, not sure what your point is
My point is that I don't have to imagine it happening. Because it did. The man damn near took Barca took the relegation zone.
Paul Scholes is the exact same kind of idiot who probably thought LVG was a tactical genius a couple of years ago based on a goalkeeper substitution at the World Cup.
I guess my point is simply that: the media and punditry in this country is so baseless, uninspiring and unintelligent. And it's sad to see - because other countries are moving forward in how they view football, how they analyse it and, ultimately, how they teach it. England will be left behind in future generations if this drivel continues to be revered as 'truth'.
I can't remember exactly what Scholes said but wasn't his point that this wouldn't be allowed to continue at those clubs? We have done nothing about it while Barca and Bayern took action to get rid of him
Should have been at least 4-0. Van Gaal is out of touch. Sack him before the second leg.
Doubt it. Rooney won't be back for a while and then he'll have his eye on the Euros.
To put it in perspective that Liverpool squad was worse than the United squad today, yet they hammered us. It's all down to management.
Knew we were fecked as soon as I saw Fellaini was starting.
It's absolutely disgusting, it wasn't even a minority of people either, could clearly hear it. Bitter dickheads.
Shite performance. Never got going, and a worldie performance from De Gea was the story of that game. Oh and loads of yellow cards. Away goal was crucial and didn't manage it. Very pessimistic for our chances now.
I'm sorry but it was incredibly obvious from the very start of all this debacle that the philosophy was and is amazing when employed in a slower league where lower don't put so much pressure on the ball. fecking said it was the wrong decision to sack Moyes for LVG as daft as that sounds. Moyes was no good, but at least he would change.
One thing Ive noticed is when we counter attack, or attack at all, we never have more than max 3 people in the box, you see other teams when they attack or cross a ball in theres like 5 players in or around the box
Check my posts - I'm a pacifist and a "happy clapper." I also think I'm pragmatic and slow to criticise - I don't tend to jump to conclusions.
That said, give me the team talk at Old Trafford.
If I could be given 10 minutes to stand in front of those players and tell them what United vs Liverpool means. Tell them about the abuse growing up. Tell them about a day in the life of somebody who grew up living and breathing united spending their day in close proximity to Liverpool fans. Tell them about the rivalry every day of your life, instead of for 5 (rough average) years of your career.. no fecking way would they put in such a heartless performance.
We had 14 players on that pitch tonight and, as far as I could see, a very small minority of those players played like their entire fecking life was on the line...
This is United... against Liverpool... in Europe - for the first time in my entire life time. If you can't get up for this game, hang your fecking boots up.
There's some talented players in our squad but they need to make that badge, that heritage, that tradition and that pride worth more than their whole entire life before they even dare to put that shirt on; I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't have a problem with footballers wages - but tonight should have been the kind of night where they justify them. Our team didn't.
If we don't put up a fight at Old Trafford I'm going to be devastated - I genuinely think I'd be happier seeing us lose, having had men sent off, actually competing, than have a pragmatic 1-0 win that sees us exit the competition.
I don't mind us losing games - I want to see a team with that cavalier (cliche) attitude. We were such a long way away from that tonight and we deserved to lose. We're dying anyway - for god sake do it trying!
This is the kind of post that might get picked up in other forums' meltdown threads - be my guest. You've all spent years calling people like me glory supporters, not proper fans, fairweather fans, part-time fans and the like.
Right now I'm hurting - and I'm hurting because I support my team and I don't like to see us lose against our rivals in a game where the players didn't seem to care (with minor exceptions). Almost all of my fellow fans, I would imagine, feel the same. You can't critize us for both.
That said, give me the team talk at Old Trafford.
If I could be given 10 minutes to stand in front of those players and tell them what United vs Liverpool means. Tell them about the abuse growing up. Tell them about a day in the life of somebody who grew up living and breathing united spending their day in close proximity to Liverpool fans. Tell them about the rivalry every day of your life, instead of for 5 (rough average) years of your career.. no fecking way would they put in such a heartless performance.
We had 14 players on that pitch tonight and, as far as I could see, a very small minority of those players played like their entire fecking life was on the line...
This is United... against Liverpool... in Europe - for the first time in my entire life time. If you can't get up for this game, hang your fecking boots up.
There's some talented players in our squad but they need to make that badge, that heritage, that tradition and that pride worth more than their whole entire life before they even dare to put that shirt on; I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't have a problem with footballers wages - but tonight should have been the kind of night where they justify them. Our team didn't.
If we don't put up a fight at Old Trafford I'm going to be devastated - I genuinely think I'd be happier seeing us lose, having had men sent off, actually competing, than have a pragmatic 1-0 win that sees us exit the competition.
I don't mind us losing games - I want to see a team with that cavalier (cliche) attitude. We were such a long way away from that tonight and we deserved to lose. We're dying anyway - for god sake do it trying!
This is the kind of post that might get picked up in other forums' meltdown threads - be my guest. You've all spent years calling people like me glory supporters, not proper fans, fairweather fans, part-time fans and the like.
Right now I'm hurting - and I'm hurting because I support my team and I don't like to see us lose against our rivals in a game where the players didn't seem to care (with minor exceptions). Almost all of my fellow fans, I would imagine, feel the same. You can't critize us for both.
Not really surprised. We play to keep possession and put Schneiderlin, Fellaini and Mata in the middle. Fellaini is like kryptonite to that style of play.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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Compiled from 473 ratings.
Score Predictions
157,259,166
- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 18% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 13% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
- 12% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 10% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 3:0 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 0:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Liverpool
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 56% 44%
- Shots
- 13 5
- Shots on Target
- 8 1
- Corners
- 7 0
- Fouls
- 15 16
Referee
Carlos Velasco Carballo
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Bastian Schweinsteiger
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replaced by Michael Carrick
