This was a dreadful performance from the team and the boss. We are so slow that we can hardly get behind teams and we have only 3 players that can give us something on wing play in Valencia Shaw and Martial. Rashford is clearly struggling and he is a striker not a winger. We are constantly trying to fit attacking midfielders in as wingers, like Mata and Miki are both at best playing behind the striker and not on the wings. We are lacking 1 to 2 wingers in this team and when Rooney came on at halftime he did not do anything other than mouth off to the ref and slow down play even further, the guy is just done and that is clear to all that want to see. We should play with Martial on the left, Miki/Mata behind the striker and I honestly think Valencia/Young would be the "best" option on the right wing until the summer. Pogba and Herrera as midfielders and we must get Shaw back into shape and playing, he can provide width that only Valencia is doing at the moment. It has always been the most effectiv way of breaking down a team sitting back. Then Rashford has to get game time as sub for Ibra or playing alongside him when we need a goal. I bet that throwing Martial on at halftime and sending Rashford up to play next to Ibra would have given us a totally different game. Then Mourinho goes off about the ref once more, yes he had a bad game but we are not the first or the last team to have to play a game of football with a bad ref. Get on with it and United not being able to beat Hull at home is just a embarrassment to both the players and the gaffer.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 0:0 Hull City
Post-match discussion
Wed, 01 February 2017
I'm surprised how negative the reaction on here is. I thought we played well at times and were incredibly unlucky. Their keeper had a great night and perhaps our finishing could've been better. Overall, I thought we deserved to win today.
Also, I know the argument that we should take advantage of other teams dropping points and win but there is another way to look at it. We didn't beat Hull, at home, and didn't lose ground. It would've been a lot worse if Spurs, Arsenal, and Pool won.
I think aside from Chelsea, none of the other teams has shown that they can reliably and consistently perform at a higher level than the other 4 teams battling them for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. We will remain in the race for the top 4 because of that. We are not perfect but neither are the others. Too early to assume that top 4 is gone.
Also, I know the argument that we should take advantage of other teams dropping points and win but there is another way to look at it. We didn't beat Hull, at home, and didn't lose ground. It would've been a lot worse if Spurs, Arsenal, and Pool won.
I think aside from Chelsea, none of the other teams has shown that they can reliably and consistently perform at a higher level than the other 4 teams battling them for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. We will remain in the race for the top 4 because of that. We are not perfect but neither are the others. Too early to assume that top 4 is gone.
Sorry guys, it's my fault. I've still yet to see us win in the league this season...
But anyway, we were crap today. Awful in possession and no pace or penetration. We created a few good chances, god knows how Mata didn't score, but we still didn't exactly look menacing. I never thought we were gonna score. Unacceptable against the bottom side.
A great chance to make up ground on the top four wasted. Our inability to beat the likes of Hull, Burnley and Stoke at home is what is likely gonna cost us this year.
But anyway, we were crap today. Awful in possession and no pace or penetration. We created a few good chances, god knows how Mata didn't score, but we still didn't exactly look menacing. I never thought we were gonna score. Unacceptable against the bottom side.
A great chance to make up ground on the top four wasted. Our inability to beat the likes of Hull, Burnley and Stoke at home is what is likely gonna cost us this year.
Fecking speechless.
We literally just played against the worst team I've seen for a long time, ten bastard peasants and the luckiest goalkeeper in the universe. And we couldn't put a single goal past that shower of shit.
Embarrassing. Pathetic. Any half decent team would've put five past them today.
Last ten minutes deserve a fecking special mentioning as a complete and utter clusterfeck of brainless bombardment of crosses into their box. Couldn't even create a one well-thought and purposeful attack.
The double miss from Rooney and Zlatan, mishitting the ball like two middle aged slobs after a few beers, summarize that whole shitshow.
And the cherry on top is that again we miss on a chance to capitalize when four of our direct rivals dropped points. We may well still end in the top 4, but today's display won't be forgotten for a long time.
We literally just played against the worst team I've seen for a long time, ten bastard peasants and the luckiest goalkeeper in the universe. And we couldn't put a single goal past that shower of shit.
Embarrassing. Pathetic. Any half decent team would've put five past them today.
Last ten minutes deserve a fecking special mentioning as a complete and utter clusterfeck of brainless bombardment of crosses into their box. Couldn't even create a one well-thought and purposeful attack.
The double miss from Rooney and Zlatan, mishitting the ball like two middle aged slobs after a few beers, summarize that whole shitshow.
And the cherry on top is that again we miss on a chance to capitalize when four of our direct rivals dropped points. We may well still end in the top 4, but today's display won't be forgotten for a long time.
Really? You are surprised the reaction was negative after watching that match?
Who cares about playing well at this point...its all about the bottom line results. Stop trying to sugar coat things with positive silver linings...there are none. We've missed a massive opportunity to gain ground on the top 4 to the bottom placed team in the league. It's just not acceptable.
It's all well and good saying the other teams haven't shown they can perform consistently but guess what? Neither can we. And the difference this year as opposed to last year under Van Gaal when we were the best against the other top 5 sides. We are now the worst and i can't see us getting more than maybe a draw against those teams. The points dropped against bottom/mid table teams will cost us the season.
Don't you think that this is the case a bit too often this season to be coincidence or bad luck?
The Jones and Rojo partnership remains a positive. Both were very good.
Pogba was a liability in the 1st half. Like a different person after the break. Two lovely weighted through balls.
Mkhi has been average recently. Not enough end product.
I thought Rashford did well overall. He was always a concern to their defenders and linked well with others.
Pogba was a liability in the 1st half. Like a different person after the break. Two lovely weighted through balls.
Mkhi has been average recently. Not enough end product.
I thought Rashford did well overall. He was always a concern to their defenders and linked well with others.
I don't think you are disagreeing with me on anything I actually said but something else. You must've misunderstood what I said.
Firstly, I didn't say I am surprised the reaction was negative. I said I am surprised how negative the reaction is. I am unhappy as well and think we should beat Hull at home but I was merely saying that some reactions are over the top. There are a few people giving up on Mourinho, on some players, or thinking the top 4 is completely gone. I think that is overly negative. That is all I am saying.
Also, I did mention that I don't think we have been consistent ourselves but I also said that others are that way too. This doesn't guarantee us anything, obviously, but it just makes it seem premature to declare top 4 to be gone.
You make a good point on our need to collect more points from the bottom teams compared to our team under LvG to compensate in the drop off in the results against top teams. I think we will improve against top teams. I am encouraged by the performance vs Arsenal, by the result vs Liverpool despite an average performance (i.e. we didn't lose although we played badly), and by the performance vs Spurs. I think we will be getting more points vs the top teams going forward.
We have a goal difference of 12 plus, while Chelsea have 32, Spurs 29,Arsenal 26 and so on. We mess up every chance we get to close the gap and the team play is slow and predictable. I expect United to win Hull at home and I do not understand those who talk about a negative reaction. What should we do, applaud a performance like that one? No we have just won 11 out of the 23 games played this season and that´s just not good enough. People can point out that every single goalkeeper that plays against us has the game of his life but that is just rubbish, the finishing is just not good enough and that´s just a fact seen clearly in that we have just scored 33 goals while the team´s above us are around 50 goals. Mourinho picks the team and has to shoulder a part of the blame at least, Martial is possibly the only player in the squad that can take a man on and go behind. Rashford as much as I like the boy is a striker not a winger. Rooney is the big pink elephant in the room and seeing him come on once more and do nothing but mouth off to the ref is so wrong, it´s almost as we are playing with 10 as he has lost his pace, power and just look´s to me as he does not give a shit.
I don't believe we played well at all. Herrera wasn't good, Pogba wasn't good, Blind wasn't good, Mkhytaryan was really really poor and did nothing, Zlatan failed to score, Rooney was poor. Rashford looked very dangerous but his performance wasn't good enough to carry the expectation in my opinion. Mata didn't make much different.
The only thing you could say it was unlucky is Mata's chance that's all. In fact, Hull was unlucky as well that they hitted the post.
There must be something wrong with this group of players. There have been many times this season where we could have capitalised on dropped points by those above us, but we bottle it. We are fast turning into Arsenal.
I don't want to sound like a stat nerd but I don't think we have enough of a sample size. It happened, what, 5 times this season? Burnley at home, Stoke home and away, Hull today, and West Ham at home? I feel like I might be missing some but these are the obvious ones.
I'm not sure we have enough sample to draw any conclusions. Watching the games, I see great football at times falling apart either with the last pass, with the finishing, or with great opposition goalkeeping. Considering our frontline is composed of either new players (Ibra, Mkhi) or young players (Rashford, Martial), I think a little lack of cohesion in the first season is to be expected. My only criticism would be Mou's inability so far to get the best out of Martial but it is still early days.
I'm not overly worried.
Fair enough maybe i misread a couple of your points.
My main frustration is that it's too late in the season to keep saying we played pretty well and got unlucky. 1 or 2 games i can accept that but it's coming on 10 games where we have just been shite in front of goal and in our creation in the final third. I don't think people are giving up on Mourinho but severely questioning some of his results, tactics, team selections, substitutions, personal player man management, and all around public demeanor is definitely called for.
I'd be lying if I said I am not at least slightly worried about his handling of Martial. I feel like I understand what he is trying to do (push Martial to play to his full potential) but at the same time I am worried that Mou seems to not vary his approach based on the different personalities we have in the squad. What worked for Willian or Mkhitaryan might not work for Martial.
Ok, I think stats tell a lot and a team not scoring more than us will not progress and that´s just a fact. I struggle to see great football and one of the trademarks of United sides has been good wing play and that is nowhere to be seen. Another stat worth taking a look at is how much less we run per game than the other teams and we are really in the lower half of teams in the league in that respect and in sport´s that matters a lot because more often than not it´s the team that covers more ground and work´s harder that wins games. If you add to that the fact we are not a fast team and apart from Valencia,Martial and Rashford we are very slow in moving the ball due to that fact. Like in the match against Hull, bringing on Mata and Rooney made us more unlikly to score due to the fact we could not open them up by stretching play with quality wing play.
Everyone in the ground was pissed off with how bad and sloppy we were. Their keeper made 1 maybe 2 good saves. That's not good enough for a team with top 4 aspirations.
Don't think we're out of it yet but if we get there we're definitely going to do it the hard way!
Bad Finishing is bad football.
Dont give a feck how pretty and beautiful the football is leading up if it leads to missed chance.
Dont give a feck how pretty and beautiful the football is leading up if it leads to missed chance.
One thing that is evident is that we cannot put a cross from the run of play or a corner into an area occupied by a United player. Constantly hitting balls to the other side to be chased down and played backwards. We had two or three games this season where Blind actually hit some good crosses. That's it.
I was pretty angry after the match but slept on it before posting. In the cold light of day I'd agree with all of your post but many are saying that's Mou's fault. I am not so sure that's right overall. There are so many armchair managers on here with perfect hindsight vision. But looking at the teamsheet at the start one would have thought we had enough firepower to win against Hull. So in that respect I don't think he got the selection wrong. I am not sure the manager can be blamed for players simply not turning up. Miki and Ibra were really poor. Pogba, as much as I like him, needs to really step up his game. He should study how Yaya played in his prime. Really should have put away that chance he had in the first half.
In terms of the subs I think that's where Mou should be criticised. Rooney should not be the first sub off the bench anymore and should stick to being a cup player. He was awful and brought no impetus to the side which cried out for more tempo in play. I have been defending Mou in relation to his treatment of Martial but thought this was the game which definitely needed Martial on the wing.
Really hope Shaw makes it back because Blind is not the answer at LB (though he didn't play bad).
I don't think we played horribly but clearly Ibra needs a backup and that should either be Rashford or Martial when we need to change the dimensions of a game. Their goalie played very well but we deserved to win the game on balance.
But the overall impression of the posters on here are definitely spot on - we are not being menacing nor clinical enough to win. We should be putting away teams like this at home with ease. It's not "one of those days" or the goalie played out of his skin again. We have built a negative pattern and, on this, Mou needs to think hard about making changes. Ibra and Pogba should not be undroppables.
Its ok I was on the freeway going in a straight line...
Just got done watching the game. Kept waiting, waiting and waiting for that goal to come... wtf is wrong with us? The we're so unlucky excuse is starting to wear really thin.
Nah, it's mine. Our run has coincided with the arrival of my baby twins. I always watch second halves holding them while they sleep... except both of the last Hull games which I was stuck at work.
Perfectly written!! Couldn't agree anymore... take a bow mate.
Same comment could have been made after the Burnley game, or the Arsenal game, or the Stoke game, or the West Ham game, or the Everton game, or the other Hull game (if not for Rashford rescuing us in injury time). Happens way too often for us not to be negative.
Indeed. "Good" football is nice as long as it brings goals but without them it is as tedious and frustrating as playing badly.
I'm not having a go, but you're criticising people for being "armchair managers with perfect hindsight" while posting two paragraphs of your opinion on team selection.
It's a forum, and I think the negative reactions here are mainly because on a round of fixtures where all our rivals with the exception of City dropped points, we only managed a nil all against Hull City at home. It's natural for people to have opinions on the game, right or wrong.
a few weeks ago when we played bad but we won the match, some people here got angry and unhappy.
yeah I understand your point, I'm also frustated and thats way I never care anymore whether United played well or not as long as we can win the matchWe could have used Chicharito's goal sniffing big time. we should have considered getting somebody like that in the winter transfer window.
There's a thread on here about whether of not we should sack the Europa off - this game has answered that to some tune. The Europa League is now our most important target this season.
Why the funk are we not playing Martial. He was our best player and top scorer last year.
Can think of little positive from this game. Jones / Rojo looked strong again and Valencia played his usual game. his crossing seems to have really improved this year. Thats about it.
Zlatan seems to stay on the pitch no matter how badly he is playing. We have no attacking whatsoever from left full back.
Cannot understand subbing Carrick for Rooney. switching to 442 and putting martial on would have made far more impact.
Zlatan seems to stay on the pitch no matter how badly he is playing. We have no attacking whatsoever from left full back.
Cannot understand subbing Carrick for Rooney. switching to 442 and putting martial on would have made far more impact.
Nah mate you're much worse and have been since Fergie left. You are the new Tottenham tbh.
This team should have gone out and won the match, but Ibra, Mkhitaryan, and Rooney were horrible in the final third. They were way too sloppy and poor in their final deliveries/combination plays. We had the potential to test Hull some more, but we didn't simply because the players were too sloppy in the final third and struggled to put a good final ball through to others.
I won't put much of the blame on Mourinho there. His selection at the start was pretty good. Rashford had a field day against Meyler the last time they faced each other, and having Mkhitaryan at the right attacking midfielder made sense in order to create space for Valencia. We could have had a better first had Ibra and Mkhitaryan not been so sloppy and had Rashford been spotted more often.
The second half was an improvement as we added an extra attacking player, but sadly, that extra attacking player had to be Rooney. It boggles my mind how Mata didn't come in at the start of the second half instead to allow Mkhitaryan to play through the middle, but what's done is done. I still didn't mind the change at the time because we had an extra attacking player in there and allowed Pogba to dictate the game, which he did masterfully in the second half. I also hoped that Rooney would have provided us a moment of magic to unlock the defence, but that hope was hollow as he went back to his usual bad self. His lack of movement and awareness of where he and his teammates were situated ruined so many of our attacks, and Ibra himself was already struggling physically against Maguire. In hindsight, either of Mata or Martial at the start of the second half would have been much better, but what's done is done.
I honestly thought that, had Jones not been injured, Jose would have subsituted Martial in place of Blind and put Mkhi at left back, but Jones getting injured put a huge dent to that plan. In the end, we started to run out of ideas as Hull got deeper and deeper, solely relying on one of the attacking players to provide a moment of magic rather than perform some combinations or attacking moves to really try and break down Hull.
Too often have I seen us look this disjointed in attack only for it to be veiled by individual moments from players like Ibra, Mata, Pogba, Rashford, etc. The only moments of team combination plays come whenever Herrera pushes forward into the final third, else it's pretty much absent. We cannot just rely on individuals to break down deep defences like this, particularly when those individuals themselves aren't consistently threatening the opposition. This needs to change, and I think this will change next season (or if Jose has a change of heart, when he makes Martial a starting left wide forward). For now, we'll just have to accept this.
I won't put much of the blame on Mourinho there. His selection at the start was pretty good. Rashford had a field day against Meyler the last time they faced each other, and having Mkhitaryan at the right attacking midfielder made sense in order to create space for Valencia. We could have had a better first had Ibra and Mkhitaryan not been so sloppy and had Rashford been spotted more often.
The second half was an improvement as we added an extra attacking player, but sadly, that extra attacking player had to be Rooney. It boggles my mind how Mata didn't come in at the start of the second half instead to allow Mkhitaryan to play through the middle, but what's done is done. I still didn't mind the change at the time because we had an extra attacking player in there and allowed Pogba to dictate the game, which he did masterfully in the second half. I also hoped that Rooney would have provided us a moment of magic to unlock the defence, but that hope was hollow as he went back to his usual bad self. His lack of movement and awareness of where he and his teammates were situated ruined so many of our attacks, and Ibra himself was already struggling physically against Maguire. In hindsight, either of Mata or Martial at the start of the second half would have been much better, but what's done is done.
I honestly thought that, had Jones not been injured, Jose would have subsituted Martial in place of Blind and put Mkhi at left back, but Jones getting injured put a huge dent to that plan. In the end, we started to run out of ideas as Hull got deeper and deeper, solely relying on one of the attacking players to provide a moment of magic rather than perform some combinations or attacking moves to really try and break down Hull.
Too often have I seen us look this disjointed in attack only for it to be veiled by individual moments from players like Ibra, Mata, Pogba, Rashford, etc. The only moments of team combination plays come whenever Herrera pushes forward into the final third, else it's pretty much absent. We cannot just rely on individuals to break down deep defences like this, particularly when those individuals themselves aren't consistently threatening the opposition. This needs to change, and I think this will change next season (or if Jose has a change of heart, when he makes Martial a starting left wide forward). For now, we'll just have to accept this.
Im heading to Australia and NZ for a trip. Wont bother with watching our games in the middle of night.
It's a labour of love, trust me. (In Auckland)
- Overall we weren't too bad
- The sloppyness is what cost us, we had Hull in the ropes
- Pogba and Mata should have scored
- How come Niasse got away with two studs up challenges, we been robbed
- The sloppyness is what cost us, we had Hull in the ropes
- Pogba and Mata should have scored
- How come Niasse got away with two studs up challenges, we been robbed
What happened in this match is not serious , this is all I have to say and Mou seems to have been right selling Mata , he seems very unreliable , second match we don't win because of him
Can we have RVP of 2013 back please? He would have won us the league.
I have to wake up at 4am.
who in this team is capable to create something? Right, he is being trown at different positions every game and then substituted in a sitution when there are minium 3-4 players useless on the pitch. And then 0:0 vs. Hull. What a surprise.
Very talanted managment
Very talanted managment
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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19%
Phil Jones
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11%
Antonio Valencia
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6%
David de Gea
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6%
Ander Herrera
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6%
Marcus Rashford
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4%
Paul Pogba
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2%
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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2%
Michael Carrick
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2%
Wayne Rooney
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2%
Daley Blind
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1%
Juan Mata
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1%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 448 ratings.
Score Predictions
598,16,20
- Man Utd win
- Hull City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 34% Man Utd 2:0 Hull City
- 30% Man Utd 3:0 Hull City
- 7% Man Utd 3:1 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 1:0 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 4:0 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 2:1 Hull City
- 3% Man Utd 5:0 Hull City
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 Hull City
- 2% Man Utd 1:1 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 0:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 2:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 0:3 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:5 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 1:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 Hull City
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Hull City
- Possession
- 67% 33%
- Shots
- 16 6
- Shots on Target
- 6 2
- Corners
- 7 1
- Fouls
- 20 16
Referee
Mike Jones
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Chris Smalling
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replaced by Wayne Rooney
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replaced by Juan Mata
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