[Tosicsleftpeg]

Just all about finishing again I'm afraid, there 3 golden chances where a goal should have resulted.

The Pogba chance when he was clean through really should be tucked away, his only excuse was it was on his weaker foot but you've got to take chances like that if your playing in the number 10 position it's a bread and butter chance.

The Rashford chance where he brought the ball down inside the box and had a clear shot on goal, not sure what happened really a fantastic run a beautiful touch to set himself perfectly then completely fluffed the shot didn't even hit the target a shocking effort.

The worst of them all was the SITTTER Mata missed, ok good save but bloody hell it's 6 yards out unmarked on the stronger foot with loads of time and he somehow missed the chance. Unforgivable miss in my eyes literally the easiest chance your going to get on a football pitch unless the keeper is out of net.

Misfire on many occasions when it comes to scoring goals and I really think we need to freshen up the side, give Ibra a rest let Martial or Rashford start up the middle as we need another dimension to the play.

 

[Pass and Move]

2. Zlatan, 14 PL goals but like Giroud for Arsenal, our general attacking play suffers because of his style. At 35, he doesn't have the legs, doesn't occupy defenders, doesn't drag them about with his movement & he doesn't run in behind, hence, we must play it to his feet, the problem with this is that, as a team, our use of the ball is not great & our passing is slow.



5. Improvement? If you analyze how we created our so called chances, you'll see a clear pattern, it's either from a cross, a long ball or a knockdown, I think the only time we cut open that Hull defense was when Zlatan flicked it to Pogba, what happened there? Simple, someone was willing to run past Zlatan, to get in behind, not rocket science. Our attacking play is so basic, it's so predictable, in fact, I can tell you how the ball will go from De Gea, to Rojo, to Carrick, then to Pogba, Pogba to Herrera, then to Valencia on the right wing, then a cross for Zlatan to knock down, most of our attacking play follows this pattern. It's not sophisticated, it's not incisive and it lacks imagination.

Some good points here. Zlatan would be perfect if we had consistent crossing, but it's just not happening. As much as I like Valencia, we must have had 15 attacks which broke down yesterday due to him not getting a cross into the box. City are traditionally great in similar positions at interchanging with the right midlfielder and getting a ball into the box, but Herrera doesn't seem to be able to get round and whip a ball in whilst on the run, and Miki prefers to run towards goal than drag players wide.

I would like us to play Martial up front for a while, give Mata, Miki, Herrera and Pogba a moving target.

 

[superdry]

We came, We saw, ....We squandered!

 

[red4ever 79]

Pathetic performance. The joy in here when Arsenal lose when in reality we are even worse. No fight, no passion. Plenty of players under performing yet still play week in, week out. The same rigid formation home and away. The same un-inspiring subs every match. When in need for creativity and speed lets call on Rooney.

We are the 6th best team in the EPL. This moaning about ref's laughing at Klopp and Arsenal is pathetic. I dont give a sh*ite about anyone else. We need to get our own house in order. Big changes need to be made and Jose needs to also take a big portion of the blame.

 

[devips]

We had ample goal scoring chances, we couldn't do anything with them. That's the true summary of the match. The Pogba and Rashford one on ones, and the Mata flick would have been goals for other top 6 sides, but we seem to lose the plot once inside the box.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

The 'ancient carthorse' has won us plenty of points but don't let that prevent you from throwing abuse.

The point I was answering was that RVP in his 2013 form would win us the league, & I pointed out that it wouldn't as the team is set up around a ponderous striker, & either RVP wouldn't play or be moved to a position that wouldn't play to his strengths. This the problem with Rashford & Martial. The play is so slow & ponderous, which doesn't suit either of them at all. They rely on speed & pace, & a strikers who latch on to that, but instead we have an old 35 year old. I don't care how many goals Ibrahimovic has scored, with him up front we will never win the league.

 

[Ban]

The point I was answering was that RVP in his 2013 form would win us the league, & I pointed out that it wouldn't as the team is set up around a ponderous striker, & either RVP wouldn't play or be moved to a position that wouldn't play to his strengths. This the problem with Rashford & Martial. The play is so slow & ponderous, which doesn't suit either of them at all. They rely on speed & pace, & a strikers who latch on to that, but instead we have an old 35 year old. I don't care how many goals Ibrahimovic has scored, with him up front we will never win the league.

Was RVP of 2013 quick?

 

[ken11]

Will Man Utd refund me and my dad's match and airline tix? First time to Old Trafford for a match and we get this.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Was RVP of 2013 quick?

He was "mobile" rather than quick, but had a lot more movement and caused the defence more problems than Zlatan is. As the lone striker Zlatan will always get a good proportion of our goals but a team like Hull are happy to defend deep and deal with the threat that Ibra poses.

 

[ariel]

Found this game too similar to the LVG performances. Unlike other draws we had, that came although we played a good game, this time it was awful. Possession, possession with hardly any shots on goal, not to mention the target.
The worst of all is the great opportunity to close the gap on second place, with the top three not winning this was a big miss.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Can we have RVP of 2013 back please? He would have won us the league.

i swear to God, this i what I had in mind this morning.

 

[Rajeev]

This is totally on you, Mourinho. There is no excuse like Hull put 11 men behind the ball, the likes of City, Arsenal and Chelsea would have still put 3,4 past them. Last night, City put 4 past a regenerated West Ham team in an away game.
What is Mou trying to do with Pogba? Why is he so untouchable even when he has off games he's not dropped or subbed? But nevertheless Mou's subs were baffling. Granted, Mkhi had a poor game, but you need your attackers on the field. We should have gone with a 3-5-2 like against Boro, and brought Martial on at least to give us proper width and kept Mkhi on the field. There was never a moment we looked like scoring a goal in this game at all. There's a reason why we are 6th and not above and that is because the top teams have better attacking players than us, we can't keep blaming the draws at home every time for our present league position.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Worst performance I have seen for a while. I can't believe some people thought their keeper was inspired and we were unlucky - he wasn't, we weren't.

You could tell after 10 minutes how the game was going to go. Yet we didn't show any urgency until the final 20 minutes.

Pogba really needs to step up, £85mil player my arse - I have yet to seem him consistently dominant games.

 

[Sarni]

The point I was answering was that RVP in his 2013 form would win us the league, & I pointed out that it wouldn't as the team is set up around a ponderous striker, & either RVP wouldn't play or be moved to a position that wouldn't play to his strengths. This the problem with Rashford & Martial. The play is so slow & ponderous, which doesn't suit either of them at all. They rely on speed & pace, & a strikers who latch on to that, but instead we have an old 35 year old. I don't care how many goals Ibrahimovic has scored, with him up front we will never win the league.

Van Persie was also a rather slow forward. Ibrahimovic is not really the problem and he is not causing Rashford and Martial to play poorly.

 

[BennyBlanco]

The last 4 or so games we've been pretty terrible, the final score vs Wigan covered it up to some extent but the opening 40minutes we were attrocious. Purple period is over, we're struggling again, last nights result didn't shock.

 

[Michael Edge]

Absolutely raging about that last night, so frustrating, getting sick to death of the circus that is Pogba, just does not back up all his social crap and is embarrassing, him and Lingard, I want to launch the pair of them, Rio was spot on, two absolute dicks!

Zlatan trying 10 overhead kicks and just constantly giving free kicks away, work rate is a joke, the urgency was laughable last night, Herrera was dreadful, fouling none stop, giving it away.

The finishing, are you winding me up, Rashford, sorry but he should not be starting games at the minute, been very poor and has had numerous chances, dropping Martial who played well midweek in favour of him, poor decision, his finish was laughable.

Mata, what are you playing at, sitter v Stoke, another sitter last night, just smash it!

Rant over, livid at that performance last night, but hey its all good, I'm sure Jesse and Paul will have another dance move/hand shake to impress us all with!

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Worst performance I have seen for a while. I can't believe some people thought their keeper was inspired and we were unlucky - he wasn't, we weren't.

You could tell after 10 minutes how the game was going to go. Yet we didn't show any urgency until the final 20 minutes.

Pogba really needs to step up, £85mil player my arse - I have yet to seem him consistently dominant games.

This. José should have known exactly how they'd play after they did the same thing at home back in August, that time we got lucky with a 92ndinute winner, this time we didn't. The most worrying part is that in 360 minutes of football against Hull this season we've only marginally been the better side.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Van Persie was also a rather slow forward. Ibrahimovic is not really the problem and he is not causing Rashford and Martial to play poorly.

Ibra needs movement round him and Rooney is never going to do that. Also the rest of attack was too detached. It wasn't good Ibra kept dropping back into midfield area. It just removed a threat and congested that area.

 

[Raees]

Still in a really bad mood after last night. Feels like groundhog day, with the same crappy bizarre team selections/subs and failing to put away chances, although recently the actual chance creation and domination of games is getting worse with each passing game.

3 times we have played Hull and none of the performances have been impressive. I'm actually getting that LVG feeling of being bored watching this side again and I hate that. Things I can't stand right now..

1. Overeliance on Valencia down the right flank

We get it, he's a beast and he provides penetration down that side. But guess what, every damn team is clocking on to that now and they're not letting him cross as often.. and when he's tired, there is no one on that flank to stretch the play. He has to come all the way from right back to do it and it slows up the entire attack.

2. Pogba and Zlatan playing at walking pace/lack of quality/aggression

These two are meant to be our star players and I am sorry but they're not cut out for it right now. They've had flashes of brilliance throughout the season but we can't rely on them week in week out to dominate games. When you see the output and workrate from star players from the other side, I am sure these two would be found wanting in those comparisons. Also pisses me off none of these two get subbed at any stage even if they're playing badly or look visibly tired.

3. Hoofing it from the back

At no stage should a top side be using that as a regular means of build up play and nothing annoys me more than when we are chasing a game or struggling to break a team down, we resort to hoofing it which surely plays into the inferior sides hands who usually have aerially dominant centre-backs whereas we are supposed to be the more clever football side. An easy pass into feet into the final third, and we are more likely to create a better chance or at least get a cross in.

4. Bringing Rooney on instead of Mata

No, just no.

5. No change in formation when we are struggling

Why not go 4-4-2, with Martial or Rashford up top with Zlatan and play with Martial/Mkhi down the wings at home vs a smaller side.. do something creative FFS stop playing such a dull side which is so damn predictable for 90 minutes. So many draws this season and it has been very poor tactical management by Jose.. needs to sort it out. Keeps doing player for player changes rather than gambling.

6. Strange vendetta's against players

If we were getting results, then manager can do what he wants frankly but we are not in a position where we can be fussy. I am sorry but Martial needs to come back into the side and you need to get the best out of him. Mkhi was taken out for far too long and we dropped alot of points because of that.. we get it, he had a poor game v City but we could have done with him against smaller sides for some creativity. I am sure some of those draws could have been turned into wins. Jose needs to realise this is a fragile squad, we're not filled with stars and in terms of quality width, there is none.. so pick and choose your battles wisely. If you isolate all the quality wide players in Shaw, Martial and Mkhi.. well you get draws instead of wins. Long term if he doesn't fancy them fair enough but during the season, we need results so it seems stupid to shoot yourself in the foot by isolating them.

Another thing, Bastian could be pretty useful against smaller sides with his creative passing especially in the last 30 minutes when we are chasing the winner.. try and use his experience and know how rather than as a training cone.

 

[Treble]

The reason for the poor performance last night is very simple: there wasn't enough movement. The team looked a bit lethargic. Compare the performance vs Hull with that vs Boro any you'll see a world of difference in terms of movement and intensity.

 

[Ish]

Typical. Nearly everyone drops points and we fail to capitalize.

Story of our season, isn't it? Immensely frustratingly infuriating.

 

[TheReligion]

@TheReligion

did that just happen? what the cnuting feck is this???

Most disappointed I've been this season to be honest. Not sure where to start so I didn't bother logging on.

 

[Trigg]

One thing to remember about last night (and the season really), we had the chances to score but they fluffed their lines. The Mata one was a joke, worse than the one his missed the other game which is some feat.

 

[SteveTheRed]

I'll admit, first thoughts after the game was "Keepers playing out of their skin again" but in reality it was shit finishing.

The goalkeeper did a fantastic job don't get me wrong but all the shots on target were standard saves!

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

One thing to remember about last night (and the season really), we had the chances to score but they fluffed their lines. The Mata one was a joke, worse than the one his missed the other game which is some feat.

I'm not sure Mata was onside at any stage in that phase of play, if we got another offside goal they'd never shut up about it.

 

[Jericholyte2]

As mad as I was about the result immediately following, I don't get this whole,"worst performance ever" nonsense. Yeah it wasn't great, but again, if not for the finishing, it could easily have been 3/4-0.

People blaming Mourinho's subs...yeah I wouldn't have brought on Rooney, but the Jones injury forced his hand. What did you want, him to bring on Martial anyway and literally play with 10-men?

This one purely goes to the players and their finishing:

Zlatan had his chance in first minute which frankly I expected him to finish and then the shot after Rooney's air-shot which he should have buried.

Rooney provided in a nutshell where he is right now with that air-shot.

Pogba should have buried his chance first off and then could have done better right at the end.

Rashford. For as beautiful as THAT touch was, the finish was shocking.

Mata should have buried his chance also.

With that extra time to think about it all I simply put this one on the players, lacking composer, lacking conviction, they need to look at themselves and sort it out.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

As mad as I was about the result immediately following, I don't get this whole,"worst performance ever" nonsense. Yeah it wasn't great, but again, if not for the finishing, it could easily have been 3/4-0.

People blaming Mourinho's subs...yeah I wouldn't have brought on Rooney, but the Jones injury forced his hand. What did you want, him to bring on Martial anyway and literally play with 10-men?

This one purely goes to the players and their finishing:

Zlatan had his chance in first minute which frankly I expected him to finish and then the shot after Rooney's air-shot which he should have buried.

Rooney provided in a nutshell where he is right now with that air-shot.

Pogba should have buried his chance first off and then could have done better right at the end.

Rashford. For as beautiful as THAT touch was, the finish was shocking.

Mata should have buried his chance also.

With that extra time to think about it all I simply put this one on the players, lacking composer, lacking conviction, they need to look at themselves and sort it out.

It was the worst performance for some time and we have now been off the pace for the best part of a month.

Their keeper didn't really have to do a great deal and Hull actually came the closest to winning the game.

There have been times this year I have left the game and thought we were unlucky, yesterday we were just plain shit. Boro, we were all over them, creating loads of pressure and we looked like we wanted to win. Yesterday, there was no heart, no passion.

Blind, Herrara are both absolute bobbins, Pogba has a lot more to prove.

 

[parisite]

It was the worst performance for some time and we have now been off the pace for the best part of a month.

Their keeper didn't really have to do a great deal and Hull actually came the closest to winning the game.

There have been times this year I have left the game and thought we were unlucky, yesterday we were just plain shit. Boro, we were all over them, creating loads of pressure and we looked like we wanted to win. Yesterday, there was no heart, no passion.

Blind, Herrara are both absolute bobbins, Pogba has a lot more to prove.

Not famililiar with "bobbins". Does that mean that they shuttle about constantly providing the yarn that weaves some sort of pattern or is it a derogatory term?

 

[SachinJ22]

FFS Hull are (were) in 20th position in the table and we can't defeat them. Man Citeh defeated a mid table team and we can't defeat a team which is bottom of the table. We wasted the first half playing long balls and doing feck all, why not just attack and put the game to bed in the first half instead of playing like some mid table team?

Why can't we dominate (scoring goals) these small teams and win? I'm fed up of mid and bottom table goalkeepers performing like world class goalkeepers only against us and referees giving wrong decisions. BTW I'm not blaming only the referees or the goalkeepers, our finishing has been less than impressive with players panicking in front of goal and missing easy goal scoring chances. Is this a team of football players or a team of pu$$!es?

 

[Barnslig]

Is there anywhere that keeps track of how many minutes of football were actually played? I feel like almost all of the 2nd half were being wasted by Hull players, and not even close to enough yellow cards were shown for it.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Not famililiar with "bobbins". Does that mean that they shuttle about constantly providing the yarn that weaves some sort of pattern or is it a derogatory term?

noun
plural noun: bobbins

1. Slow
2. Lightweight
3. Clueless
4. Shite

 

[dileno]

The team looks absolutely knackered, is it because of the Christmas schedule?
Zlatan & Pogba aren't used to playing such many games during what was their winter break for all years before this summer.

I want force, duels won, a captain who is a role model and the players should also start to make some runs..

 

[Ixion]

I'm not sure if the team is physically fatigued but more so mentally. How long have we been 6th now? And after the earlier results this season we now have this pressure of needing to win every single weak. It's relentless and as soon as you get to about 30 minutes in 0-0 the doubts start to creep in.

I think we need to bring in Martial, Shaw, Baily, Fosu-Mensah and Schweinsteiger, fresh legs and minds. Not just the same gameplan and subs every game.

 

[LFC-Fans]

We can't break down teams who sit back, and Hull just did that against you.


Reckon we could drop points this weekend

 

[Dr Fink]

Pogba should have been dragged off second half. Shockingly lacklustre performance. I get sick of him hanging on to the ball, sucking three players in then complaining about the foul. All of this in the middle of the pitch where there's no need. Release the f*cking ball!!! I am losing patience with him. At times he played like a 5th defender.

A waste of my evening sat in the stand watching that effort. Awful throughout. Hull should have won when they hit the post too. Woeful.

 

[AN17]

You could tell after 10 minutes how the game was going to go. Yet we didn't show any urgency until the final 20 minutes.

This. Had we played the first half like we did for last 20 minutes, the game would have been dead and buried before halftime.

We let ourselves down with how we pace our game early on. And then scramble for something, anything in the last 10 - 15 minutes.

Regarding Pogba, he was never a 90 mil player, it was our decision to pay that much for him. Not his fault he can't measure up to the ridiculous fee. Although I agree that he needs to grow up and walk the talk of being the best player by his performances rather than stupid haircuts and clothes.

 

[parisite]

I'm not sure if the team is physically fatigued but more so mentally. How long have we been 6th now? And after the earlier results this season we now have this pressure of needing to win every single weak. It's relentless and as soon as you get to about 30 minutes in 0-0 the doubts start to creep in.

I think we need to bring in Martial, Shaw, Baily, Fosu-Mensah and Schweinsteiger, fresh legs and minds. Not just the same gameplan and subs every game.

But that's what you get when you sign Mourinho. He has his ideal team and his 3 or 4 regular replacements, after that not much moves unless there's some kind of serious disruption. As I've said before, you don't drop Zlatan and you don't sub him. Playing virtually every minute of every game he's available for is part of the deal.

 

[Rory 7]

Pogba should have been dragged off second half. Shockingly lacklustre performance. I get sick of him hanging on to the ball, sucking three players in then complaining about the foul. All of this in the middle of the pitch where there's no need. Release the f*cking ball!!! I am losing patience with him. At times he played like a 5th defender.

A waste of my evening sat in the stand watching that effort. Awful throughout. Hull should have won when they hit the post too. Woeful.

But but but.... Pogba is just the 'dynamic dominant midfielder we've been missing for years'....

 

[redflair]

Well done to Hull.

They were strong, resolute and couldn have nicked it in the end.

As for us, Jose's dark pantomime is in full swing - and we have to like or lump his absurd team selections, wild conspiracy theories and tiresome post-match interviews. No wonder the players looked exhausted half the time.

But seriously, this was about the players wanting an easy night, expecting one of them to step up with a piece of magic or brilliance so they could the rest of them could sit back and look forward to the weekend.

But it didn't happen. And now, if there's a bad result at Leicester, then a full-blown Chelsea-style death-spiral from last season is possible.

Many more points wil be dropped, because the Europa League excursions make it inevitable. We just have to hope to stay respectable - and look forward to a better league campaign next year.

 

[mitchmouse]

I think I'm right in saying that every time more than one of the top four have dropped points, we've failed to take advantage. What moer could we ask of Tuesday night than Spurs and Arsenal between them - with distinctly winnable games - amassing one point