What's this bullshit you speak of?
CL L Champions League Group A
FC Copenhagen 4:3 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Wed, 08 November 2023
What's this bullshit you speak of?
Why is every single game a battle of life and death?
If the history of this club is what I think it is, my head hurts at the pain that we are yet to experience.
How were both handballs penalties, yet Maguire’s in the opening minute wasn’t?
Fairly much in control until the sending off, which was very soft.
Completely changed the game. Dalot has been very poor all season and was fully culpable for their 3rd goal and made no effort to close down the shot for the winner.
Positives: Our slight improvement in recent games is down to the return of AWB. Maguire has looked much more like the player we thought Utd were buying. Hojlund. Bruno as a 10.
Negatives: These var and refereeing decisions are really punishing us far more than we deserve. Dalot (as above) and Varane is done. Amrabat is no better than Sabitzer. Bruno on the right.
Completely changed the game. Dalot has been very poor all season and was fully culpable for their 3rd goal and made no effort to close down the shot for the winner.
Positives: Our slight improvement in recent games is down to the return of AWB. Maguire has looked much more like the player we thought Utd were buying. Hojlund. Bruno as a 10.
Negatives: These var and refereeing decisions are really punishing us far more than we deserve. Dalot (as above) and Varane is done. Amrabat is no better than Sabitzer. Bruno on the right.
If we're going to be upset about poor decisions then the ones from ten hag need just as much focus. Not reorganising the team properly and not using his bench properly either.
It’s always a possibility, especially with refereeing assistance.
The game was lost after the red when we absolutely crumbled to shite again. If we had composed ourselves and stayed deep and compact like the majority of the 2nd half and not conceded more than 1 goal before half time we probably would have won it.
it’s the hope that kills you and this game had a lot of that.
In fairness, we look a lot better with Wan Bissaka in the team and Hojlund and Garnacho played well too.
it’s the hope that kills you and this game had a lot of that.
In fairness, we look a lot better with Wan Bissaka in the team and Hojlund and Garnacho played well too.
It makes it harder when the ten players you do have commit schoolboy errors and have no backbone. To lose against Copenhagen when ahead in the final few minutes isn’t acceptable. We weren’t hanging on for dear life against Bayern Munich; it was self-inflicted wounds against Copenhagen. It was totally amateurish from our players, which wasn’t the fault of the officials. They capitulated once again. No composure or game management .
I was so pleased after the penalty and then Kane got a brace to set us up perfectly. Absolutely fuming with the defenders for those school boy errors to gift them the win.
José?
All that talk about top 4 being success, how its important to be in it, how it attracts world class players (LOL), people drool about it just to be a joke, this is getting worse than Arsenal under Wenger.
Fancy taking one for the team?
Nah. A win tonight and a draw against Galatasaray would have been acceptable.
Terrible refereeing killed us. It's never a red for Rashford. Its a accident with no malice and it's never a penalty either.
The thing I can't defend is how quickly we collapsed after that red card. You have to try to make yourself difficult to beat.
Second half was such an improvement and I was shocked at how composed we looked. It was never a penalty for us either but had to be given in light of it being so similar to the earlier one. From there we really had to see the game out, but some poor concentration and moments of madness in defense again and we threw it away. Utterly deflating game.
The thing I can't defend is how quickly we collapsed after that red card. You have to try to make yourself difficult to beat.
Second half was such an improvement and I was shocked at how composed we looked. It was never a penalty for us either but had to be given in light of it being so similar to the earlier one. From there we really had to see the game out, but some poor concentration and moments of madness in defense again and we threw it away. Utterly deflating game.
I'll be honest. When people say the entire club, I think it needs to be clear now. It's Ten Haag and the team in front of him. We can't be hiding behind senior management or the Glazers. They don't play on the pitch or manage what's on the pitch. I don't think Spurs has a better squad. I don't think Arsenal or Liverpool's players are that much better than us, yet they don't struggle on games like this the way we do. We have to be honest. In game management is something a manager should be judged on. The same way Mourinho was praised for game management is the same way Ten Haag should be criticized heavily for it this season.
I agree. Actually enjoyed a lot of it. Lunch definitely against United. Likeable lot; stuck to their job. Great by Hojlund, too. Absurd decision to send off Rashford
‘Wow’, you know. Imagine being in shock at a take that a team wouldn’t have made defensive mistakes, or even been in the position to make them, had there been equal players on each side. It’s easy to point at Dalot errors. They are of course errors, but if you can’t see that the likelihood of such errors increase massively when being outnumbered and under pressure away to a team away from home chasing the lead. Of course, it doesn’t always go like that 10 vs 11, but there’s obviously an increased chance. Otherwise it would be no problem at all to lose a man in a football match!
And plenty of teams don’t. The odds are against you, and while you might make it out, you also might not.
I thought the CL has the semi-auto offside rule in play - how was their first goal allowed to stand? They had a guy in Onana's line of sight and offside.
After watching United for the best part of 30 years, I can’t just give up on the club and stop watching but they are having a disproportionately negative impact on my wellbeing. Liverpool office based work chat stick the boot in hard every week which doesn’t help. I can’t not care.
The ref did us there
The point is, this happens when you are under pressure and outnumbered to boot. There’s no point getting caught up on the individual loss of a runner. The point is, the likelihood of a player eventually losing a runner 10vs11 is simply high.
Started off great then it went to absolute bobbins. Never a red card for Rashford. Ridiculous decision. Letting clowns officiate these games that must not have ever played a game of football just ruins things. Anyone with any semblance of common sense who has played should think even a yellow for that would be harsh.
Then the errors passing it round at the back. One poor pass leading to others then making things worse as they try to repair the situation. That Varane Maguire screw up was just stupid.
Then the errors passing it round at the back. One poor pass leading to others then making things worse as they try to repair the situation. That Varane Maguire screw up was just stupid.
It's even worse than that. We barely create. He dragged us with individual magic in the first game. Yet when we finally create chances for him, we still find a way to lose despite his goals. The media has been licking their lips talking about our strikers not scoring, trying to paint him as a bad signing. Yet we don't create for him. Put Haaland in this team and it'd be the same. The sad part is we have one of the most creative players in the world with us as well , and another fast direct attacked in Rashford. It's quite clear the build up behind them is responsible for this, yet the media won't see that when criticizing.
True, but eight minutes left against Copenhagen when 3-2 up. We couldn’t even get a draw against them. That’s really poor, whatever else you can say in mitigation. Eight minutes that completely change our chances in the group.
Yeah very true
Usual suspects letting us down at the back. Same old same. We were great up until the sending off, that swung the game, but even then we should never ever have lost.
A clinic in awful in-game management, should have dug in and got to half time and grind it out, instead now we are in an uphill battle to qualify from a piss poor group. Sickened.
Infuriating game. Cruising, the most comfortable we've looked all season. Could have been a Hojlund hattrick after 30 minutes.
Then it all falls to shit after the red.
Then it all falls to shit after the red.
I think this is rock bottom.
Yes, we shouldn’t have lost from a winning position in the final ten minutes, even with ten men. Not against a side like that. A number of players panicked again. That has killed our chances.
Dear UTD, it can't be like this anymore. You are not an anonymous club that only local people support, you are a global brand, still among the most popular clubs in the world, and you have a bigger responsibility than such a club. History, glory, trophies, the system that the two coaches created for about 50 years obliged you personally that when you come to this club, you should know where you are coming from and what is expected of you.
You should know the value of that jersey. You should know that you are privileged to have the honor of being in that place, that club and that stadium. You should know that you are privileged because you are overpaid for what you give, but you live beautifully, much more beautifully than most in this world. Therefore, shame on you for what you are doing. Everyone in that club, from the owners who don't understand the difference between American football and football, from the manager who doesn't know what to do with these players, to the players who don't deserve to play in this kind of club. what kind of players are these? how much did you pay for this garbage of people and players? Instead of world class football you have given hundreds of millions to players who beat their wives, who are depressed but earn £200k a week, wingers who can't pass anyone 1v1, a defense where you have a player who is obviously a stupid man and player and who is costing the team every single match. This is a disaster. People are dying in poverty all over the world. People struggle to survive a month with 600 euros. You
you get £200-300k a week to entertain people once or twice a week and you can't do that. You all need to get out of this club. This club needs a complete reset, drive you all away, so that nothing reminds of you, and start from the initial level. To begin with, at least hire some good people, and then maybe a football player will join the team.
You should know the value of that jersey. You should know that you are privileged to have the honor of being in that place, that club and that stadium. You should know that you are privileged because you are overpaid for what you give, but you live beautifully, much more beautifully than most in this world. Therefore, shame on you for what you are doing. Everyone in that club, from the owners who don't understand the difference between American football and football, from the manager who doesn't know what to do with these players, to the players who don't deserve to play in this kind of club. what kind of players are these? how much did you pay for this garbage of people and players? Instead of world class football you have given hundreds of millions to players who beat their wives, who are depressed but earn £200k a week, wingers who can't pass anyone 1v1, a defense where you have a player who is obviously a stupid man and player and who is costing the team every single match. This is a disaster. People are dying in poverty all over the world. People struggle to survive a month with 600 euros. You
you get £200-300k a week to entertain people once or twice a week and you can't do that. You all need to get out of this club. This club needs a complete reset, drive you all away, so that nothing reminds of you, and start from the initial level. To begin with, at least hire some good people, and then maybe a football player will join the team.
You think so? Just give it time; we are only in November and the season is yet young.
watching Unted is not good for my mental health right now.
Bayern playing 3rd placed Stuttgart after us in CL is handy to get a rotated side.
I thought up to the red card it was probably as well as we have played all season. After that it was just nuts.
Would honestly prefer to drop out of Europe entirely so we can feck off some of these clowns in January and go with a smaller squad.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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7%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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4%
Harry Maguire
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3%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Marcus Rashford
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1%
Andre Onana
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1%
Jonny Evans
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1%
Scott McTominay
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1%
Alejandro Garnacho
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 215 ratings.
Score Predictions
134,34,34
- Man Utd win
- FC Copenhagen win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 19% FC Copenhagen 1:2 Man Utd
- 18% FC Copenhagen 0:1 Man Utd
- 17% FC Copenhagen 0:2 Man Utd
- 13% FC Copenhagen 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% FC Copenhagen 2:1 Man Utd
- 5% FC Copenhagen 0:3 Man Utd
- 5% FC Copenhagen 1:0 Man Utd
- 4% FC Copenhagen 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% FC Copenhagen 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% FC Copenhagen 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% FC Copenhagen 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% FC Copenhagen 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% FC Copenhagen 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% FC Copenhagen 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% FC Copenhagen 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% FC Copenhagen 0:4 Man Utd
- 0% FC Copenhagen 9:0 Man Utd
- 0% FC Copenhagen 1:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- FC Copenhagen
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 52% 48%
- Shots
- 16 9
- Shots on Target
- 8 8
- Corners
- 3 3
- Fouls
- 9 8
Referee
Donatas Rumsas
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Raphael Varane
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replaced by Sofyan Amrabat
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replaced by Mason Mount
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