No, I just prefer to enjoy watching the team I support. Not suffer the ignominy of watching us play so far below that of our own standards.
We're boring to watch.
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Manchester United 1:1 Arsenal
Post-match discussion
Sat, 19 November 2016
No, I just prefer to enjoy watching the team I support. Not suffer the ignominy of watching us play so far below that of our own standards.
We're boring to watch.
We need one more world class front 3 player.
Mourinho has got us set up to play a solid system, with the front 3 largely left to try and win the game with their own trickery. But that puts a lot of demands on them creatively and physically.
Martial+Rashford+Mata doesn't give us enough composure. Zlatan gives us composure but his lack of pace hurts us in other ways. Rooney provides excellent movement, but he gives the ball away to much. Lingard is the perfect system player (in that he's where he needs to be, when you want him to be there) but he doesn't have the creativity to do anything that's less than obvious.
Mata should always start because of everything he gives us. One out of Zlatan, Rashford, Rooney, Martial or Lingard should also be in there. But we need one more player who can tie it all together.
Mourinho has got us set up to play a solid system, with the front 3 largely left to try and win the game with their own trickery. But that puts a lot of demands on them creatively and physically.
Martial+Rashford+Mata doesn't give us enough composure. Zlatan gives us composure but his lack of pace hurts us in other ways. Rooney provides excellent movement, but he gives the ball away to much. Lingard is the perfect system player (in that he's where he needs to be, when you want him to be there) but he doesn't have the creativity to do anything that's less than obvious.
Mata should always start because of everything he gives us. One out of Zlatan, Rashford, Rooney, Martial or Lingard should also be in there. But we need one more player who can tie it all together.
bossed it but no killer instinct..refs fecking hate us
Will you go away. It was a very good performance against a very good arsenal side.
You should rewatch a whole game it seems.
The players do not seem that interested in the EL, though. You'd think we'd have a chance, but I just don't see it happening.
feels like a loss!
Just depressing to see the manager of man united make such defensive subs!
Just depressing to see the manager of man united make such defensive subs!
Stoke, Burnley and Arsenal. That's six points right there we should have, and would have put us second. Hopefully we have better luck in the second half of this season.
Agreed. Disappounted obviously, but plenty of positives.
Blind was watching another player. Pogba maybe should have provided support (double teamed Ox)>
Did you watch the game?
Got a banging headache how did we not beat Arsenal and how did they get a point? fml..concentration gone at the end again big big fml. I feel dejected. title race over aaargghh
You need a time out and reality check.
Yep, Van Gaal did the same against Chelsea away last year. Schneid came on for Herrera that time, we allowed them 90% possession, we conceded.
You're kidding yourself. You really are.
Is the Jose mindset, blame everyone but yourself catching.
I thought it was a penalty also ....until I watched the replay
Not even the most hardcore arsenal-fan can honestly say that they deserved anything from that game...
Was Jones fouled as well for Girouds goal?
Did you enjoy the game? By the sounds of, 70,000 United supporters were bored witless.
Conceding headers again. Not finishing chances again. Played pretty well and didn't get anything again. Pattern of failure.
Before the game I would of took a draw.
Another crap ref.
Before the game I would of took a draw.
Another crap ref.
I missed most of the first half, frustratingly.
The second we were absolutely awful. Think Mourinho lost it for you, though the assist + header were quality from Ox and Olly. You're not a shit team, but for yet another season I don't see how you'll score enough goals to win enough games to finish near the top of the league. We'll be 2nd-4th depending on the form of others.
The second we were absolutely awful. Think Mourinho lost it for you, though the assist + header were quality from Ox and Olly. You're not a shit team, but for yet another season I don't see how you'll score enough goals to win enough games to finish near the top of the league. We'll be 2nd-4th depending on the form of others.
You honestly believe we are good enough to beat all teams in the EL?
Do you understand that that is one of the most difficult trophies to win?
To win the EL you need to be a great side, in good form AND you need luck on your side.
We certainly have no luck.
Noone seems to be pointing this out - clear push on him before Giroud's header. Ref was shocking today, so not surprised.
Definitely. lucks levels itself out and we haven't had any so far. add to that refereeing decisions. it's been fustrating from poor finishing, the opposition scoring belters against us, zlatan leaving his shooting boots in Paris and injuries at the wrong time. we need more to go for us after Xmas.
No it didn't.
First half we dominated you as well. Arsenal looked a good level below us today.
Need to get our shit together and we can reel them in.
You just said you can't support us so I tell you not to and I'm the childish one? Are you having a laugh mate. Of course I'd rather us be winning and playing fast attacking football but I'm not going to throw my dummy out and pull out the 'I can't support us playing like this' card. I'll support my team however bad we are and any of true fan would.
You can see we're starting to look like a quality team. People saying arsenal were shite, no actually, we were really well organised and looked the best we've looked in a very long time. Another bad result, that's 3 draws at home where we should have comfortably won.
The performances are getting better and the results will follow.
The performances are getting better and the results will follow.
Did you watch the game? OT was rocking and United bossed it.
I'm gutted they got an undeserved point but I can't fault anyone to be honest. We just seem to lack a killer punch but De Gea didn't have a save to make. We should have won by 2/3 goals.
You have a very unhealthy hate towards Jose so you are not really objective. Its not just the pen.
It's depressing that after all the money spent, we used Rooney as a sub striker, while Arsenal could have Giroud, a much better striker.
Putting Rooney as the sole striker, allowed Arsenal to sub 3 defensive players to 3 attackers without much consequense at the back. Because almost ZERO threat from Rooney upfront. No speed, no killer instinct, won't win any physical battle, etc.
Putting Rooney as the sole striker, allowed Arsenal to sub 3 defensive players to 3 attackers without much consequense at the back. Because almost ZERO threat from Rooney upfront. No speed, no killer instinct, won't win any physical battle, etc.
Our problem is that Rashford and Martial are still very young and very raw and won't be able to win us games all the time. It is obvious both of them are having a serious case of second season blues but both of them are so young, it is a fecking shambles a club like United needst to look at these youngsters to win us games.
On the other hand we have ex-star players like Rooney and Zlatan who just aren't as good anymore as they used to be and also can't win us games anymore all the time.
We all knew this in the summer but somehow in our heads it made perfect that the combination of those players would be able to form a winning team but the reality is that it doesn't work like that and that a team that is serious about winning the title needs a top player in his prime that can win u games all the time. City have that with De Bruyne, Chelsea got it with Hazard, United in truth hasn't had that since 2013 with RVP in his best form ever (years before that we had Rooney at his peak and before that CR7). It is so hard to win games, especially in the PL as a team when you don't have an absolute star player that scores goals left and right against any opponent. It is also the reason why Liverpool or Arsenal won't win it this year because Countinho and Sanchez aren't absolute stars either, the season Liverpool came closest ever to winning it again was with Suarez upfront and that is the type of player you need to win games.
This team massively needs someone like Griezmann
We played the best I've seen us play for a while - got sucker punched, easy analysis really...
When I say I can't support them, I say it in the sense that I can't muster the enthusiasm to get behind a group of players that are so lacking in fight and energy.
I really dont understand the mentality of sitting back and defending a 1 goal lead. You are asking for trouble. Why change what was working and go for another goal or 2 then sit back. Why does this team do it every fecking time and expect different outcomes.
Arsenal were there for the taking, a midfield of Coquelin and Elnainny, Jenkinson, Monreal...the only time Herrera or Pogba got in the box, we scored a goal from it. Then he made stupid substitutions as usual just as Martial was beginning to warm up and get into the game...this game should have been an easy 2 or 3 nil game.
Don't really get how you were unlucky. You created little, and then chose to sit back on a 1-0 after dominating possession for the previous 30 minutes.
I think in attack too. Martial isn't looking good on the wing after his initial start. He should be rotated in as striker imo. Same with rashford up front, who definitely shouldn't be relied on, as @DomesticTadpole said. He needs time.
Hopefully Jose is going to address these issues in the next couple of transfer windows.
What a shite result for playing against Stoke.
Rocking? Are you kidding me? The atmosphere inside Old Trafford is nothing like it once was - the fans know it, Mourinho knows it.
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- Man Utd win
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Detailed Results
- 25% Man Utd 2:1 Arsenal
- 11% Man Utd 1:1 Arsenal
- 9% Man Utd 1:0 Arsenal
- 8% Man Utd 2:0 Arsenal
- 7% Man Utd 1:2 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 1:3 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 3:1 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 0:2 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 0:0 Arsenal
- 3% Man Utd 2:2 Arsenal
- 3% Man Utd 0:3 Arsenal
- 3% Man Utd 3:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 3:2 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:1 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:5 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 2:3 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 4:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 0:4 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 2:5 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 1:5 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 Arsenal
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Arsenal
- Possession
- 45% 55%
- Shots
- 12 5
- Shots on Target
- 5 1
- Corners
- 10 4
- Fouls
- 14 11
Referee
Andre Marriner
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replaced by Morgan Schneiderlin
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replaced by Wayne Rooney
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