Some of the anti-Mourinho crowd are so obsessed with hating the guy they'd rather we win nothing than win trophies with Mourinho in charge. God forbid he'd go down in history as better than Pep.
I dont hate Mourinho. He's a great coach, and I like his personality. I'd love for to remain in the premier league. If he came to us I'd want him to be a success, but for me he'd prbably be here short term then be off.
Would rather we got someone long term like SAF, even if it meant we struggled for a few years
There will be negative points but they won't matter if they're overshadowed by the positive.
For me we need someone who is a big attraction for top players, demands immediate respect, and is proven. Mourinho ticks all those boxes and some. So far our new managers have barely ticked 2 of those.
Not saying it'll all be rosy, but I think if we start seeing our club actually moving forward the people will be happy.
Of course, super attacking football would be great (and I've certainly been one of the many that would like some), but football that actually works would be a start. It's never really worked under LVG and all this 'laying foundations/building from the back' thing has been a load of shite.
I think that the problem for United is that they made a commitment with the Van Gaal / Giggs situation. When they brought Van Gaal in, they weren't simply employing another manager. They wanted Van Gaal to establish some structure to the club with Giggs shadowing him. I get the feeling that the board is pleased with what VG has been doing behind the scenes, but obviously disappointed with the team performances. With United's current commitment, it's difficult to just suddenly axe the entire coaching set up assembled by Van Gaal mid season because everyones pissed off.
If at the end of the season United choose to fire van gaal and his coaching staff, Mourinho will be an option, but the club will want a high level of commitment from him. The one thing I like about Mourinho is that he has the kind of character and mental strength it takes to manage a club like United. He also has a remarkable way of inspiring players to believe they can win in any situation.
My gripe with him is that he's so egocentric, and at times tactically negative. When he loses it, he really loses it.
If you think Mourinho fancies this job because he is out of work.. you couldn't be more wrong.
I have no doubt that this is the job he covets over any other in world football. He would love to stay here for the rest of his career..(until his late 60s where he would no doubt fancy a shot at the World Cup/Euros). But in terms of club football, he sees us as the pinnacle.
He loves english football and he sees United as the most glamorous and honorable institution in English football. He would pick us over the likes of Real Madrid/Barcelona.
There a few managers out there that have the passion for this club that Mourinho does, believe me.
I am considering changing my vote to yes, now Pep is out of the question.
Exactly the same. Suddenly we need someone how who's capable of closing the gaping gap between us and them, Jose seems like a gamble but at least there's a chance of success, unlike it seems with LvG. I still wouldn't want him here long though, just can't see him ever achieving long term success at one club and don't really want to be another top club that changes managers every 2 years.
We cannot afford to not bring in a world class manager and there isn't many available, simple as.
Ideally, no, I don't want Mourinho. But the thought of Giggs as manager scares the hell out of me and I feel that it will come down to one of the two.
So if Mourinho is to be hired now/at the end of the season, I will generally be happy enough that it is not Giggs.
The manager who I thought would be ideal for us will be at City next season.
So if Mourinho is to be hired now/at the end of the season, I will generally be happy enough that it is not Giggs.
The manager who I thought would be ideal for us will be at City next season.
Mourinho could easily go either way, but if it was possible I am coming around to the idea a bit more, he'll attract the right players if given the money, and the Mourinho - Pep rivalry could be akin to the great Fergie - Wenger pre Chelsea/City oil money years, plus we'll likely win something.
I am just struggling to get past the playing style, youth, attitude, and sell by date issues a bit, but he could maybe sort those out.
Likely scenario though is we retain LvG, as I don't think it'll take much to persaude Woodward to do so, then follow through with the Giggs plan in 2017.
I am just struggling to get past the playing style, youth, attitude, and sell by date issues a bit, but he could maybe sort those out.
Likely scenario though is we retain LvG, as I don't think it'll take much to persaude Woodward to do so, then follow through with the Giggs plan in 2017.
Passing over Mourinho at the end of the season, and possibly even now, in favour of a hopeful belief that we'll select a manager to create a new dynasty is idealistic but misguided. Fergie's reign is long gone from our own club and which other club out there has shown a commitment to creating their own managerial Dynasty other than Wenger at Arsenal? (Which we all know how unsustained their success has been). When Fergie arrived we hadn't won the league in 26 years and the whole make up of Football was different. Even then it took him 7 years to achieve league title success.
Unfortunately the hope of another long serving and ultimately successful manager is a pipedream. It won't happen again for a long time if ever. We finished as Runners up in '88 under Fergie before placing 11th, 13th and 6th in the next three seasons. If that happened now any manager would be out of the door with the majority of fans baying for managerial blood in the process. Look at Rodgers at Liverpool, they almost won the league, lost their best player and fell down the table. Rodgers was gone less than 18 months later and their fans wanted him gone. That's modern day football. For all we know, LVG could win us the title next season, but most of us, including me, want him out sooner rather than later. I think this clearly shows that we're not prepared to wait for success and to build their team and systems, unless that manager comes in and everything is on the up from day one without any blips.
To expect to find anyone to come in and create a new legacy is madness. It could happen organically, but to actively seek that slim opportunity rather than bringing in a proven managerial winner is ludicrous. None of the other suggestions that have been floated about have shown any long term success at any club either so why are they more eligible than Mourinho? City, unfortunately, look like they have had a clear footballing pathway in place for a few years now culminating in Guardiola's appointment. I really hope it fails - it may do - but it probably won't. United on the other hand don't seem to know which direction they're going in from a footballing perspective as the club seem focussed on Asian merchandising etc etc.
The upshot is, it would be foolish to not appoint Mourinho. They would be even more foolish to then go on and appoint Giggs.
Unfortunately the hope of another long serving and ultimately successful manager is a pipedream. It won't happen again for a long time if ever. We finished as Runners up in '88 under Fergie before placing 11th, 13th and 6th in the next three seasons. If that happened now any manager would be out of the door with the majority of fans baying for managerial blood in the process. Look at Rodgers at Liverpool, they almost won the league, lost their best player and fell down the table. Rodgers was gone less than 18 months later and their fans wanted him gone. That's modern day football. For all we know, LVG could win us the title next season, but most of us, including me, want him out sooner rather than later. I think this clearly shows that we're not prepared to wait for success and to build their team and systems, unless that manager comes in and everything is on the up from day one without any blips.
To expect to find anyone to come in and create a new legacy is madness. It could happen organically, but to actively seek that slim opportunity rather than bringing in a proven managerial winner is ludicrous. None of the other suggestions that have been floated about have shown any long term success at any club either so why are they more eligible than Mourinho? City, unfortunately, look like they have had a clear footballing pathway in place for a few years now culminating in Guardiola's appointment. I really hope it fails - it may do - but it probably won't. United on the other hand don't seem to know which direction they're going in from a footballing perspective as the club seem focussed on Asian merchandising etc etc.
The upshot is, it would be foolish to not appoint Mourinho. They would be even more foolish to then go on and appoint Giggs.
Van Gaal will be gone in the summer in my opinion - if not before. This transfer window speaks volumes - no spending, despite needing players, strongly suggests that they don't want to bring players in that the next man may not want. This season is bring written off to an extent.
I can't see Giggs getting the job - the club just can't afford to give him the time to get to grips with it. No Champions league means revenue will fall and as soon as that happens it's panic stations
I think Mourinho is a shoe-in. There's a suggestion his sides play "boring" football which to me isn't always fair. last year he ground out results with an under performing team to get them over the line - but at times earlier in the year they were superb to watch. Likewise at Real Madrid, where his side scored plenty of goals. He's pragmatic when he needs to be a bit like Fergie was. That's not a major issue for me.
Mostly he has the pedigree and the stature to take the job on and the appetitie to win. I think he'd love taking on Guardiola again. He obviously comes with a potential downside but hopefully, if he gets the job he realises that he needs to curb elements of his personality and mellow a bit. He needs to find somewhere to settle down.
Turncoat, always been Jose for me.
Well said.
Too much looking backwards at what's gone rather than looking forwards. The days of managers hanging around for decades are long gone - Wenger will be the last. The game is just too much about "win at all costs". Appointing a bloke because you're desperate to find the new Sir Alex is madness. If a new man comes in and stays three or four years and has success then that's as good as you'll get.
That said - Mourinho may very well come in and stay long term. In fact, given the context of where he's at he's arguably the most likely to do so - if that's what we're looking for.
I don't see the board being daft enough to give Giggs the job. Whatever romantic notions people may have the board showed their true colours in sacking Moyes as soon as it became clear we weren't moving forwards - despite the "he's here for the long hall and will get time" rhetoric that followed his appointment. Bottom line - the club needs to be competing at the top level to keep the money rolling in - and they'll be well aware of that.
If we miss out on Mourinho then we're in the same boat we were in when SAF retired. Missing out on top managers and ending up with someone not good enough.
To be honest, i'm not really keen on him at all. Apart from his antics and his complete refusal to look at the youth academy, I am not looking forward to us going defensive at the sight of any decent team.
Not saying you don't have a point, but Sir Alex used to switch from 442 to 433 against Arsenal, pack midfield and play on the counter quite often when Querioz was his assistant, it worked almost everytime too, and games like Barcelona 08 semi's and Chelsea 2006 1-0@ OT (vs Mourinho's orginal Chelsea side) were some of the most defensive minded games I've seen United play bar Moyes vs Bayern. Infact a lot of Querioz's time here you could see we were more tactically responsible, particuarly away from home in Europe and big games..
You have to say.... it works, or at least can work quite well, that, and we have Some history of it prior, isn't that what partly what a coaches responsiblity is? to set up his team each game with the best chance of winning?
I got a Morbid curiosity about Mourinho at United. The little shit inside of me is curious what would happen, like years ago when I was curious about throwing aerosol cans on the bonfire.
I am hoping that Woody have been in touch with Mourinho behind LvG's back, and told him to figure out which players he wants, so that when LvG is booted at the end of the season, or even before, Jose is ready and prepared!
I reckon the board will use the excuse that José turned United down previously*, so he won't be asked again.
*When Mourinho supposedly told SAF that he'd promised to return to Chelsea.
*When Mourinho supposedly told SAF that he'd promised to return to Chelsea.
People complaining about Jose not utilizing the youth makes me laugh out loud, We need to get back to the top before it's too late. Youth players getting a game is the least of our worries at the moment.
Too bad that's exactly what's going to happen.
Mourinho staying for more than a mere few years is far more likely than us finding the next SAF, which is about the equivalent to a snowball's chance in hell. And the idea of trying to find that kind of 20+ year appointment is so insanely illogical.
Thinking about it, it's not like it was in Chelsea's/Inter's/Madrid's top interest to promote youth players when their goal was to win trophies and win trophies quickly.
Surprised so many don't want him. I would have liked him before and would take him now again. He is a bit of a cnut and his whinging is annoying but if he can get back to his best, these things won't bother me sitting in the same camp. But he would be under massive pressure due to both our underperformance and his disastrous latest stint. It could work and I do not doubt his passion to get back to where he wants to be.
Vote changed. We don't have a choice anymore.
Much rather short term success then short term slump. Or worse long term mediocrity
@SkySport Mourinho-Manchester United: deal close. That derby with City of Guardiola!
Probably not.
feck
More Twitter bullshit.
Seems the most obvious thing in the world that he'll be our manager next year. I imagine Van Gaal will "graciously" step aside and make it look like Woodward hasnt had to sack him. I cant see Van Gaal leaving until the summer, though.
Lets all hope!! Give him the warchest and we can sit back and enjoy this Manchester rivalry!!
Do you want a warrior leading our players onto the pitch or wimp who wouldn't say boo to a goose?
Fergie was a warrior and absolutely "stuck it", to the media and referees.
During our glory days, Keane was the main man and he also "stuck it" to anyone who opposed MUFC.
Right now, we have a bunch of nice guys (players and manager) who are being walked all over.
The other issue is Guardiola. I just don't believe LVG has the fire power to go toe to toe with Guardiola. With Jose, you absolutely know that the Manchester Derby will be like going to war and that our players and manager will be completely "up for it".