I think your probably right but I'd have love to see Jose and Pep go head to head, in the two Manchester clubs....
I think your probably right but I'd have love to see Jose and Pep go head to head, in the two Manchester clubs....
Still think it will end in tears if we employ Mourinho.
If Giggs was getting it, it would have happened now. He doesn't want it temporary and club don't want to risk him as perm choice. Jose currently tied in on severance package with Chelsea and Glazers too cheap to buy him out so decide to wait till summer.
That's my opinion.
It's be an interesting one, question is if the club want another round of heavy short term investment again, we could easily take the cheaper route and keep LvG or give it to Giggs, no way Mourinho would take it without alot of financial backing, and I'm not so sure we'll be up for this myself, that is unless the Glazer's could be looking for an exit strategy from the club, in that case Mourinho would be perfect.
Ideal scenario for me is to get top 4, sack LvG, and then have a go at a manger like Pochettino, Blanc, or possibly Simeone, it just seems a more harmonious route to take to me, and one that could be a long term success rather than a short term fix. All depends on the motivations of the owners really.
Ideal scenario for me is to get top 4, sack LvG, and then have a go at a manger like Pochettino, Blanc, or possibly Simeone, it just seems a more harmonious route to take to me, and one that could be a long term success rather than a short term fix. All depends on the motivations of the owners really.
Will end in tears with anyone. Managers are guns for hire now. May as well get one that guarantees some success.
Mourinho will end in success.
That sounds logical, let's hope it's the case. Is there any evidence to back up this theory?
Absolutely none. Just a hunch.
What puts a lot of people off here seems to be his attitude.
To hell with that being a reason.
His poor record with youth, yes. That, no.
I'd want the most hated manager to come and make us the most hated club again. I'd want him to tell City, Arsenal and Chelsea to go shove themselves. Tell the refs that they suck (it is the truth) tell Jamie Redknapp he doesn't have a clue. Tell Journos to shove their microphones up their butts.
Anythings better than nice polite LvG sitting halfway up OT playing with his notepad and twidling his thumbs.
Mourinho in.
To hell with that being a reason.
His poor record with youth, yes. That, no.
I'd want the most hated manager to come and make us the most hated club again. I'd want him to tell City, Arsenal and Chelsea to go shove themselves. Tell the refs that they suck (it is the truth) tell Jamie Redknapp he doesn't have a clue. Tell Journos to shove their microphones up their butts.
Anythings better than nice polite LvG sitting halfway up OT playing with his notepad and twidling his thumbs.
Mourinho in.
Cool. But we can't have a manager last for the sake of it.
I'm close to falling of the fence now.
This is it for me. I want the arrogance back. I want an air of invincibility back at old Trafford.
Mourinho is the only manager that I can see bringing those days back. I'm all for it.
As long as the start and middle is good and full of success (which it always is with Mourinho), I'd take that.
Weird here we are again. 2 games v Stoke and Chelsea with the fans wanting Jose. Only more this time.
I see it as a four way choice between Mourinho, Pellegrini, Simeone and Potchino and each one is a credible candidate. How bloody great would it be if we hired Pellegrini and he delivered instant success at the expense of City.
When I look at those names one booms out at me as the man who can match what's going on at City and that man is Mourinho. To have those two going head to head in the same City again will be pure theatre.
When I look at those names one booms out at me as the man who can match what's going on at City and that man is Mourinho. To have those two going head to head in the same City again will be pure theatre.
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More and more I am convinced that we are set in our ways.
I think Mourinho will/has gotten the message too. He will find another club. With Mancini struggling at Inter, now would be a great time to keep the promise he made to Moratti. Thohir seems to be losening the pursestrings, so he'd have the backing he'd need.
Perhaps the City job may open up in future, or that is probably it in terms of hid EPL career.
So you think Giggs will take us to the top? Even though he has no experience?
changed my vote.with Pep going to City.
He can park his bags in my gaff as long as he brings the success.
I'm leaning more and more towards yes as the days go by. At the least, it would make for interesting storylines.
I'm also resigned to the idea it was never going to happen this winter for a variety of reasons and will happen this summer at the earliest.
I'm also resigned to the idea it was never going to happen this winter for a variety of reasons and will happen this summer at the earliest.
Would be interesting if the poll was reset. I think a lot of no votes were predicated on the fantasy of landing Pep. Some just don't want Jose here at all, of course.
To be honest I am still not sure , but if we are to change the manager and I am far from sure we are even going to do that, then Jose is really the only option.
Yeah, there really isn't anyone else. Pochettino is not leaving Spurs. Simeone doesn't speak English, and don't think he'd want to leave Atletico anyway.
Here's what I think: If the rumours are true and Maureen really wants this gig, we will hire a top class (historically great, even) manager with a point to prove and a score to settle. Unless he's actually completely burned out and finished at the top level, that's a pretty decent combination.
Gamble? Sure, it's a gamble. But for my money it's much less of a gamble than limping on with LVG in charge and Giggs waiting in the wings. The gamble is on Maureen not being done for, if you will. The so-called baggage he comes with isn't something we need to worry about until some time has passed and - hopefully - some very decent results have come our way.
If he then goes crazy again and has to be moved on, so be it. There's no sense in taking a potentially ugly exit into account as if it were written in stone that it will happen: Who knows, maybe Maureen's respect for Fergie will keep him in check to an extent. But even if it doesn't, what is he - seriously - at worst? A necessary evil, perhaps.
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Gamble? Sure, it's a gamble. But for my money it's much less of a gamble than limping on with LVG in charge and Giggs waiting in the wings. The gamble is on Maureen not being done for, if you will. The so-called baggage he comes with isn't something we need to worry about until some time has passed and - hopefully - some very decent results have come our way.
If he then goes crazy again and has to be moved on, so be it. There's no sense in taking a potentially ugly exit into account as if it were written in stone that it will happen: Who knows, maybe Maureen's respect for Fergie will keep him in check to an extent. But even if it doesn't, what is he - seriously - at worst? A necessary evil, perhaps.
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I'm not asking for saints. I just fear a situation were the players down tools to try and force the clubs hands. It's happened in his last two clubs. I fear at the end of it all, he might leave us in a worse situ than we currently are.
I don't expect his character to change. The people who think his approach is going to change just because he's a man Utd manager are naive.
The fact that we simple failed to entertain LVG's plea for players in this window makes me believe the board have already sacked him for the summer. Hopefully Mourinho has been promised the job and he's recharging his batteries and planing how he is going to deal with us and Pep next season.
We have a good foundation.. Even if Madrid find a way of getting DDG. Mourinho's ruthlessness in acquiring players with out warchest should work fine.
We have a good foundation.. Even if Madrid find a way of getting DDG. Mourinho's ruthlessness in acquiring players with out warchest should work fine.
Yeah, I agree with that.
It's not a highly relevant point for me, however. You take the man for what he is, and with that comes the possibility - not the inevitability - of a less than pretty exit. For me that's a calculated risk and a price we should be willing to pay for what he could bring to the table.
The latter being getting us back into the swing of things. If people are worried about us doing a Liverpool, the antidote to that is to win, the sooner the better. Win ugly, for that matter - but win.
I'm not desperate for that to happen, by the way - I actually do think there's more than one way to skin this particular cat. And a slower approach could work too. The problem is that I have little faith in the people currently in charge of this football club. I see no reason to blindly trust whatever long-term plans they have concocted. A short-term (ish) executive decision to let LVG go and hire Maureen is preferable at the moment, if you ask me:
Gamble on him being up for it, win a trophy or two, let the world know that we have no intention of leaving the perch and doing a Pool - and then deal with whatever comes in the shape of him melting down to a lesser or greater extent when that bridge needs to be crossed.
I think if we brought Jose in, he would be successful, he would probably win a trophy in his second season.
Having said that i really really don't want him as united manager, he wouldn't play the attacking football we crave, he wouldn't bring through young players, he won't be here more then a few seasons be basiclly creates an un-workable environment, the last two clubs he's been at he's fallen out with everyone!, he likes working with older players, generally spends alot of money, creates Kliq's in the dressing room that can be hard for the next manager to handle....and he just comes across as absolute tw@t!
so personally id' rather pass on the one or two successful season's jose would bring, because its not worth all the other shite that comes with it, and at least bring some one in who is going to attempt to build for long term and play attacking football.
Having said that i really really don't want him as united manager, he wouldn't play the attacking football we crave, he wouldn't bring through young players, he won't be here more then a few seasons be basiclly creates an un-workable environment, the last two clubs he's been at he's fallen out with everyone!, he likes working with older players, generally spends alot of money, creates Kliq's in the dressing room that can be hard for the next manager to handle....and he just comes across as absolute tw@t!
so personally id' rather pass on the one or two successful season's jose would bring, because its not worth all the other shite that comes with it, and at least bring some one in who is going to attempt to build for long term and play attacking football.
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Voted yes then. And with the news recently I think even more so.
Get him in here, and let him leave a trail of fire all the way to the titles he will be winning.
Get him in here, and let him leave a trail of fire all the way to the titles he will be winning.
That's what I'm afraid of too amongst other things. But other than him, after thinking about it, I can only see Simeone being able to handle United. It doesn't seem like we can get him unless our board go all out to at least try and tempt him.
But other than that, I can't see anyone else but Mourinho - and yeah I'm wary of him for all sorts of reasons. That's why we desperately need to put structures and key football people in place, so we don't need to depend on the manager as much.
I want Mou and have Giggs be his assistant for a year before leaving the club and managing a club himself.
Giggsy will then have seen the good and the bad of managing and can try to develop his own style. If he shows promise I'd love for him to take over from Mou in a few years.
Giggsy will then have seen the good and the bad of managing and can try to develop his own style. If he shows promise I'd love for him to take over from Mou in a few years.
We need to stop forcing managers to have Giggs as an assistant, and just tell him to feck off and do some managing to prove that he's got what it takes. He should have seen plenty enough of the good side of management under Ferguson.
No if I'm honest!
SAF was driven to see United succeed.
Mourinho is obsessed with his own personal success.
Mourinho is obsessed with his own personal success.
I think there were quite a few instances where SAF was prepared to put his own interests ahead of that of the club and the way he handled the club during the last part of his reign suggests that the long term health of the club wasn't his immediate priority as long as he went out with a bang.
I remember SAF turning down Arsenal, Rangers, and Spurs because it didnt feel right for the kind of domination he had in mind for the English league. When United came knocking, it was the only club he wanted. The history of United made the club a sleeping giant, and he knew it. He was determined to waken the giant and make a legacy.
Mourinho?
He's out of work.
I suspect we will be hearing "Jose Mourinho" chants around OT against Stoke.
This is also the man who sweet talked us to death when he got a inclination the job was going to be open.. Only to have to settle for Chelsea. Let's be honest the Mourinho aura just wasn't there in his last term at Chelsea and I think it's mainly down to him wanting to be here.
Just give him the job, it's his personal goal and the man pretty much achieves the majority of his football goals he sets. No one cares about Pep being all about himself.
And if we appoint him right now, his personal success will be United's success. No?
And if we appoint him right now, his personal success will be United's success. No?
One would think that there is a clear correlation between a manager's personal success and the club's success, yeah.