I hope I am wrong but I just don't trust these players to hold their composure or their bottle if this gets anyway tight in the final run in , if Liverpool are within touching distance going in to the last few games I can see Utd easily capitulating.
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true. Keep getting it mixed up considering how many games pool have already played. Feels like we will never make them up on them i swear.
Brighton & West Ham away are both winnable. Brighton, while seeming to dominate games they play, have only 27 points from 15 home games & West Ham have 22 from 17. We'll never start competing if we don't have the mentality to win these games.
It'll take more to compete than just "mentality"... The reason we don't win these games more often this season is because we aren't good enough to win them. Brighton is a very good team this season, and we are particularly shit away, so I'd be shocked if we won tbh. Everything is looking in their favor for it, between revenge from the cup exit, injuries and fatigue for us, United having the wiggle room to drop points and it not affect us... Hope we put in a good game but I doubt it.
Brighton can get to 73 points, Liverpool can only get to 71 points.
We need 11 points to ensure 4th, not 9.
We need 11 points to ensure 4th, not 9.
Put Chelsea as already win. 6 points needed it is
Yeah but look at Brighton’s fixtures.
I reckon 7pts will be enough to secure top 4 although I want us to finish above Newcastle so probably 12+ needed for that the way they are playing.
Even bottler has a bottom level. They know that if they're out of top 4, it's not ETH who would get chop, but them. So they're likely get their ass up even against the odd for the countless time they save Ole even against tougher oppositions.
ETH is too popular with the fan right now, they have no chance shifting the blame and survive if they get him sacked by bottling top 4.
In other word, we may not end keeping 2 digit point gap to 5th place, but we're highly in top 4.
Mathematically they can, realistically they cannot. Even putting us aside, and we'll be no walk in the park for them by any stretch, but putting us aside they've got Arsenal, Newcastle, and City left. I fully expect them to lose all 3 of those matches. If they take 4 points from the available 9 it'll be very impressive. Brighton are not a real threat.
At this point Liverpool are the only realistic threat, not just because they have the easiest run-in but also because they've got Satan on their side.
The fact is that Top 4 is not secured unless we get 11 more points.
Just like Chelsea can still get relegated
In that case we can still win the title.The fact is that Top 4 is not secured unless we get 11 more points.
Just like Chelsea can still get relegated
It's a countdown to top 4 thread. We need 11 points to guarantee top 4, at this point.
On a serious note even though mathematically Brighton can get more I’m completely dismissing them because they have to play the teams in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. If they win all those games they deserve top 4!
Not if we get 3 of them against Brighton.The fact is that Top 4 is not secured unless we get 11 more points.
Just like Chelsea can still get relegated
You're right. The title of the thread is a bit of an insult to Brighton as it's implying they have no chance of winning all their remaining games.
You think they have a chance of winning all of their remaining games?
They will certainly take a kicking against manchester city. Its a shame they dont play city first, because a kicking from them would be ideal as they go into their next matches.
If Brighton and Liverpool, are capable of 6-8 straight wins, they would not be where they are now. Even City will not continue their winning form because of Europe distraction, but perhaps Arsenal has given away enough cushion for them.
Thread title should change then. If we take points off Brighton then all we need is 11?
That’s not something I would bank on though, good to know the exact number needed.
Is the correct answer. Except, it's now down to 11.
Exactly. People really just love to be hysterical.
So, why bother with the thread in the first place then? Lock the thread, better still delete it!
If you're going to make the thread in the first place, at least it should be factually correct.
Why is it an insult? Why do we have to be political corrected?
Brighton hasn't been able to string 6 consecutive win however you exclude, include their cups result with their league record.
The oddly clearly stack against them with the, having to play against all of the current top 4.
I mean, we don't like VAR, but to call it Satan?
Liverpool have the potential to go on that kind of winning streak. I doubt Brighton do.
Liverpool are capable of winning their remaining 5 games Brighton just simply won’t
No, on the balance of probabilities, and with their run in, I don't think they will.
But I just think it's funny that 9 points has been selected as the "magic" target (presumably because that beats whatever Liverpool can reach) when there's another team out there who could (theoretically) finish ahead of both of us!
I'll be happy if we just win one of them to be honest (and always better to win one then draw both!)
Win one of them and then it's 2 wins needed from 4 games with 3 at home and the away one to already safe Bournemouth.
The purpose of my thread, is to point out what is mathematically possible, what is realistic expectation.
While I state that 69-70 points may be enough, I didn't mean let's lose a few games in a row, wait until the last 2 games to reach 70. I meant we should be reasonably safe, if we can collect 6-7 points within the next 4 games, including 1 home game. With 2 games to spare.
On the other hand, if anyone don't like disagreement, then someone should have never post any thread in the 1st place.
If we beat Brighton and still don’t get top four it would be a situation where we just don’t deserve top 4 at all. So I’m not worried either way
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The reason there is even a debate over top 4 is because it’s Liverpool. The same team who won near enough every single game they played in every single competition last year. They are fully capable of winning 8 games in a row and when you look at their run in, it looks pretty likely.
What's mathematically possible is that Brighton finish above us. This thread totally ignored that possibility, until someone was forced to change the thread title, because it was nonsense.
Just win and bring it down to 6 points.
Win tonight and the points required is down to 6. It will be a big result if we can get it.
After Sunday we also actually have 2 weeks with no midweek games (!) which will be a novelty after seemingly playing twice a week since the beginning of the season.
After Sunday we also actually have 2 weeks with no midweek games (!) which will be a novelty after seemingly playing twice a week since the beginning of the season.
Considering the fixtures of Newcastle and Brighton 8 points is the most realistic amount we need for a top 4 place. And even that would mean the opposition basically winning all their remaining fixtures. In other words, with 6 games left and with those fixtures a top 4 finish should be a walk in the park now.
Nobody's ignoring that it's technically possible. It's also technically possible that I'll be the #9 at United next season.
Brighton need to beat Arsenal, Newcastle, and City in the next month, with two of those clubs fighting tooth and nail for an EPL title and the other trying to stay in the top 3. The chances of that happening are only marginally better than my chances of being in the United team next season.
Yeah, their last 4 seem winnable now that they're in form and out of Europe.
A victory today and the egg will be in the nest.