Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"

Can't believe he's being called a true leader for this. Wonder what some think about player power at Chelsea. That's not a leader material at all.
 
Can't believe he's being called a true leader for this. Wonder what some think about player power at Chelsea. That's not a leader material at all.

He could have said we need to attack more without a sly dig at his manager and firing the media. It's ridiculous fans is liking this poisonous relationship.

The way I see it, he's not an idiot. He knows what he's doing. He's absolving himself of any blame for the current mess so that when he pushes for a move next season no one would blame him. All of this is sort of pressure on the club.
 
He could have said we need to attack more without a sly dig at his manager and firing the media. It's ridiculous fans is liking this poisonous relationship.

The way I see it, he's not an idiot. He knows what he's doing. He's absolving himself of any blame for the current mess so that when he pushes for a move next season no one would blame him. All of this is sort of pressure on the club.



This is one way of looking at it...
 
Everyone can see that he's 100% right. If this puts some pressure on the manager or the board to correct it, then it's all for the better.
 
He was utter trash against Wolves. He kept the ball too long most the time and then lost it, ran into blind ally's for no reason when a pass was on and just in general seemed lethargic. A few cross field balls under no pressure to someone who has half a pitch to themselves is not that impressive.

Nobody stood out Vs Wolves, except your usual Dear Gea but a lot of our build up play was let down by him and defensively the shift he put in, well..... less said the better

Are you blind?
 
Mourinho defence force forming like voltron in this thread, i see.

I have waited my entire adult life to see a Voltron reference in the CAF. I cannot unsee Voltron with Mourinho’s face on him now :lol:
 
He was utter trash against Wolves. He kept the ball too long most the time and then lost it, ran into blind ally's for no reason when a pass was on and just in general seemed lethargic. A few cross field balls under no pressure to someone who has half a pitch to themselves is not that impressive.

Wut? Despite a few situations where he kept the ball to long and tried doing the complicated instead of the simple, he was MILES ahead of our second best outfield player. If he plays up to his possibilites, he is on a completely different planet than the rest of our underperforming squad. I can understand why he is pissed with playing handbrake football and creating next to nothing up front.
 
Along with Shaw, Pogba's been our best player this season. His attitude and commitment on the pitch can't be questioned. I think he's just extremely frustrated, as are the fans. He tends to be very honest with the media and I like that, and I believe he wants to succeed more than anyone at this club.

He's right to criticise the manager and tactics, but it's unwise to do so this publicly. I would presume he's approached Mourinho many times already about this though, so perhaps desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
Lukaku is bad sometimes, but the chances our squad create is even worst.

He missed one “sitter” in 90 minutes. And was offside anyway. Creating chances is our problem, not missing them.

The best strikers in the world create chances for themselves because they can beat defenders and play in tight spaces. Lukaku is a glorified Heskey.
 
It's undeniably been going on for at least four years though, how do you explain that then? Where were those fundamental flaws in attack against the big sides we beat?

We clearly can't deal with the small sides properly. Now Ferguson was the last man to have cracked that code, he used to describe himself as an oppertunistic gambler, whereas guys like Van Gaal and Mourinho are clearly the opposite and all about tactics focused on 'controlling'.

Suggesting that Manchester City and Liverpool have sort of advantage, playing far better attacking football, because teams aren't as eager to beat them as they are with us, is in my opinion a poor excuse. It's nothing that can be quantified, determined, it's just a claim. When our attacking players can barely string 3 passes together, it's not because Wolverhampton wanted it more.

We were lucky to be down by "only" 2 goals at half time vs City last season. The fundamental flaws were there.

We're generally better suited to play against better teams, as they will push forward for goals while we can counter attack, against Liverpool we took our chances superbly via Rashford. When we're expected to dominate play, we struggle.
 
The best strikers in the world create chances for themselves because they can beat defenders and play in tight spaces. Lukaku is a glorified Heskey.

I couldn’t give a bollox about strikers creating chances for themselves. If you think Lukaku failing to convert chances was a key factor in us dropping points at the weekend then you weren’t paying attention.
 
I couldn’t give a bollox about strikers creating chances for themselves. If you think Lukaku failing to convert chances was a key factor in us dropping points at the weekend then you weren’t paying attention.

Lukaku is a big part of the chances creation problem. His rubbish movement and crap holding up make it pretty hard for his teammates to find him. It's not a surprise we were creating loads of chances with Zlatan up front then now struggling with Lukaku. He's not helping his teammates and you can't create for such a static striker that struggles to hold the ball.
 
He wants out and he’s going to piss back into the tent to make it happen.

Makes me think he doesn't want out, he wants Mou out. This is a statement for the fans.

Assuming he does have love for the club - he's probably pretty excited about the prospect of potentially working with someone like Zidane who is hugely linked with us & playing with his close mates. We have the finances to compete so ideally for him, Mou goes and so does his philosophy. Zidane comes in with an attacking brand of football (regardless of whether it works out or not) and Pog is free to play as he likes and hopefully see some big name signings arrive as any new manager will be heavily backed. If things don't work in a couple of years he'll only be 27 and it'll be a RM or Barca move as I see it.
 
I couldn’t give a bollox about strikers creating chances for themselves. If you think Lukaku failing to convert chances was a key factor in us dropping points at the weekend then you weren’t paying attention.
But it was. Not getting a shot off in an open goal situation is on par with missing a sitter. Not sure how you can attack any opinion that Lukaku's offday greatly affected our dropping points. You may have a different opinion but to say they aren't paying attention is just...
 
I think most of us would agree with what Pogba thinks. The fact that he's said it to the media will likely speed up the process of either him or Mourinho leaving the club. It will depend on whether Woodward and the board will back the manager or Pogba/players (I don't think it's he's the only one - just the one brave/foolish enough to say it).

My heart wants us to give Pogba a chance under new management but my head says it will be him who's gonna now be dropped as potentially sold before Mourinho leaves.
Who will outlast the other? Mourinho or Pogba?
 
I'm at a point that saying hopefully all 3 of him, Mourinho and Sanchez feck off in summer.

Can't withstand this poisonous circus anymore. Quality can feck off. I want my club back and not this circus the 3 have been bringing.
Wonder if Chelsea fans wanted Hazard gone after he made similar comments in Mourinho's last season at Chelsea.
If we lose Pogba who are we supposed to replace him with? It's clear that no one from the current squad will be able to make the step up to fill his role. Back to where we started before he arrived, trying to fix a shitty midfield while reminiscing about Paul Scholes and the glory days.
 
This is getting silly. I get what Pogba saying but he can't be undermining the manager. Mourinho is doing all he can to make Pogba great and so far it is working but this is like getting stabbed in the back. Pogba is playing his best football since he arrived and he should concentrate on that.
 
But it was. Not getting a shot off in an open goal situation is on par with missing a sitter. Not sure how you can attack any opinion that Lukaku's offday greatly affected our dropping points. You may have a different opinion but to say they aren't paying attention is just...

Every striker misses chances. In almost every game. To single out one miss over 90 minutes as the reason between winning and drawing is technically correct but shows a spectacular inability to grasp the reality of football. “Not paying attention” was being kind.
 
Every striker misses chances. In almost every game. To single out one miss over 90 minutes as the reason between winning and drawing is technically correct but shows a spectacular inability to grasp the reality of football. “Not paying attention” was being kind.
You were the one that reduced it to blaming him for missing a single chance though. The person you quoted listed faults about first touch, hold up play and self-sufficiency
 
He missed one “sitter” in 90 minutes. And was offside anyway. Creating chances is our problem, not missing them.

Indeed. Lukaku on 25% conversion rate is pretty decent. Salah is on 12%, Aguero on 12.9%, Sterling on 20%, Mane on 25%. The problem isn't Lukaku.

Conversion Rate This Season in League:

Chris Smalling - 50.0%
Lukaku - 25.0%
Fred - 14.3%
Paul Pogba - 11.8%
Luke Shaw - 11.1%
Everyone Else - 0.0%

However, if we're looking at chances created then look at the below. Last season in the League:

Manchester City - 665 Shots (265 on target, 106 goals)
Liverpool - 638 Shots (233 on target, 84 goals)
Manchester United - 512 shots (178 on target, 68 goals)

City had 153 more shots than us and 87 more shots on target.
 
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You were the one that reduced it to blaming him for missing a single chance though. The person you quoted listed faults about first touch, hold up play and self-sufficiency

I responded to a post about him "missing sitters". Try and follow the conversation before you get involved ffs. Missing sitters is not a problem for us. Creating them is a problem.
 
Indeed. Lukaku on 25% conversion rate is pretty decent. Salah is on 12%, Aguero on 12.9%, Sterling on 20%, Mane on 25%. The problem isn't Lukaku.

Conversion Rate This Season in League:

Chris Smalling - 50.0%
Lukaku - 25.0%
Fred - 14.3%
Paul Pogba - 11.8%
Luke Shaw - 11.1%
Everyone Else - 0.0%

However, if we're looking at chances created then look at the below. Last season in the League:

Manchester City - 665 Shots (265 on target, 106 goals)
Liverpool - 638 Shots (233 on target, 84 goals)
Manchester United - 512 shots (178 on target, 68 goals)

City had 153 more shots than us and 87 more shots on target.
Lukaku might have some of those players beat on conversion rate but in terms of overall play he is far inferior. It limits our attacking game considerably when your striker struggles to do more than just wait for tap ins.
 
Usually I would go ballistic if one of our players behaved like this, but at the moment I really don't care since it's Mourinho getting the flak.

Mourinho deserves all the negative media attention he gets for all that shite that went on in preseason. This experience should persuade him to shut the **** up for a long time to come.
 
I responded to a post about him "missing sitters". Try and follow the conversation ffs. Missing sitters is not a problem for us. Creating them is the problem.
His limited finishing repertoire and technical ability is a limitation we have to play around. He isn't always the problem but on the day he was a problem.
 
Indeed. Lukaku on 25% conversion rate is pretty decent. Salah is on 12%, Aguero on 12.9%, Sterling on 20%, Mane on 25%. The problem isn't Lukaku.
Well, the problem isn't his conversation rate, to be precise.
 
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't see anything particularly bad with those comments nor do I think it's aimed at Mourinho.

Yeah I feel that way too.

I must be watching different games this season if you lot seriously think we haven't attacked or you're just simplisticly equating that to goals scored.

Also this.
 
This arrogant kid need to learn to keep his mouth shut. He is stating the bleeding obvious anyway, its not exactly a revelation. The attention seeking, me me me shit stirring from this lad has to end. Such a shame because recently he has been winning me over on the field. His own game has a long way to go yet before he starts dictating. He will be gone next season, I am convinced. Just wish he would shut up until he does.