So might as well actively want us to lose, eh?
Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"
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The winner inside him should show more discipline with himself firstly and he should know that those things should be discussed in the dressing room or inside the club, not through the media. That's my thinking of course.
Yeah he wanted to play and he was very good, but a week later he questioned himself after a shocking performance didn't he?
The international quotes could have been easily avoided instead he still talked about his future giving the media something to fabricate on.
Pogba is a cnut but he works for Pogba, not the other way around. I would have loved for him to stay longterm, I even had him as a future captain, but the last couple of months, put me off, and honestly I wouldn't care if he left.
This happens all the time. People go mad at Scholes for saying the same as all have about Pogba or the way we play.
That said, there is a bit of an issue with airing the dirty laundry. It make me uncomfortable knowing there's unrest and going about it this way, but maybe it needs to be said.
No.
No issue with posting the positive stuff he does, but it definitely wont be the biggest mistake they have made as Pogba cant/wont do the basic things correctly.
Errrrmm, no
Can't blame Pogba for wanting to play more attacking football.
I rather change out Mourinho for a more attack minded manager and keep our best players than losing them and keep Mourinho and get more Fellaini type players in.
We will have trouble getting the best attacking talents in the future with this type of football.
I rather change out Mourinho for a more attack minded manager and keep our best players than losing them and keep Mourinho and get more Fellaini type players in.
We will have trouble getting the best attacking talents in the future with this type of football.
Not as awful as this post though. When you watch games do you turn your head back the moment Pogba gets the ball, because obviously you have not seen him play this season.
Its laughable how much of a mess we are as a club to be honest.
Also the excuses that were made for Jose last season in compression to City when it was clear as day the comparison shouldn't have been made between United and City but United and Liverpool.
There is no excuse this season if Liverpool do better, since they had a worse squad than United when Jose took over.
The trajectory and progression of the Liverpool team since Klopp took over is evident. First they worked on their playing style and then they went for players who fit that style.
They took a spanking against Spurs last season away, and they obviously went to the training ground and fixed some things, since then they have had the best defensive record in the league (yes way before they even signed VVD).
Thats enough to tell me that its not always about singing players, sometimes the manager has to just admit that their way isn't working and find a new way.
It took Klopp a few seasons but at least he saw it and fixed it.
Also the excuses that were made for Jose last season in compression to City when it was clear as day the comparison shouldn't have been made between United and City but United and Liverpool.
There is no excuse this season if Liverpool do better, since they had a worse squad than United when Jose took over.
The trajectory and progression of the Liverpool team since Klopp took over is evident. First they worked on their playing style and then they went for players who fit that style.
They took a spanking against Spurs last season away, and they obviously went to the training ground and fixed some things, since then they have had the best defensive record in the league (yes way before they even signed VVD).
Thats enough to tell me that its not always about singing players, sometimes the manager has to just admit that their way isn't working and find a new way.
It took Klopp a few seasons but at least he saw it and fixed it.
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Of course we have to attack after Pogba makes us concede.
But how can we be sure he hasn't discussed this with Mourinho for the past 2+ years he's been here? Are we just assuming he hasn't because he's suddenly gone public with it after all this time, or can we also assume he's going public with it (following his manager's example) because for 2+ years he hasn't been able to reach out to his manager with this?
Again he questioned himself and he's taken responsibility, again shows dedication and maturity when you're able to identify your own mistakes.
He's our best and biggest star player, he will always be interviewed because he's the focal point of our marketing. Would you be happier if he said "no comments" when asked about Barca and Juventus?
And that still doesn't change the fact that there's nothing wrong with what he said during the international break, what's wrong is the fans jumping on whatever the press says, taking it to be the absolute truth despite constantly complaining how media has agenda against us…
Imho, it's a bit absurd that the quality of the squad is downplayed. It's fine that we need a solid defensive structure, but we've also seen plenty of teams compensate defensive issues by focusing on attacking football.
The most damning part of his interview implies not that we don't attack, but we don't know how to.
Which is also visible from every game. About time somebody called a spade a spade.
To be fair I think Pogba,when re-joining us, was sold a project that clearly hasn't came to fruition and he's just showing his frustration.
Similarly I think Jose was also sold a particular dream,though Jose's was more short term based rather than long-term.Which is why Jose wants/wanted more experienced individuals brought in.He wanted success now,not 3 years down the line ,which in itself looks to be far more distant than that.
I still think Woodward deserves a fair amount of flack.
Plus with him in charge of the big incomings and outgoings I'll never feel confident he'll get it right.
Similarly I think Jose was also sold a particular dream,though Jose's was more short term based rather than long-term.Which is why Jose wants/wanted more experienced individuals brought in.He wanted success now,not 3 years down the line ,which in itself looks to be far more distant than that.
I still think Woodward deserves a fair amount of flack.
Plus with him in charge of the big incomings and outgoings I'll never feel confident he'll get it right.
I'd be willing to bet he's discussed this with Mourinho who has told him "I'm in charge you'll do it my way".
I don't care who does what in the media now I just want Jose out. Appears Pogba wants him gone as well and could probably add Martial and a few others to that list too. Every day Jose is still here is a day wasted.
we didn't go for him when he became available and moved to Liverpool.
“I’m not the manager, I cannot, like, say that but … obviously we should show more option of playing but I cannot say that because I’m a player,”
Shots fired.
I don't see the benefit of saying these ambiguous things in the press. Who knows what exactly it means, but it's definitely fuel for the media fire.
Shots fired.
I don't see the benefit of saying these ambiguous things in the press. Who knows what exactly it means, but it's definitely fuel for the media fire.
Lol he’s 100% fed up with Mourinhos methods.
I have my minor issues with Pogba but on this, I’m right there with you Poggers.
I have my minor issues with Pogba but on this, I’m right there with you Poggers.
It's true Jose sold him a dream but at the same time Woodward was probably selling Jose a dream
We will wait and miss out as usual.
What’s the odds on Pogba getting dropped after this?
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't see anything particularly bad with those comments nor do I think it's aimed at Mourinho.
A Cow upfront hahahaha! That tickled me lol.
It's been killing me too figuring out what's wrong with us, particularly because both under Van Gaal and Mourinho we've had phases and matches where we looked alright too. Another weird similarity between the two is the big matches, we had the mighty Liverpool 2-0 down at Old Trafford before half time not that long ago last season. How can a team able to play like that in such a big match look so clueless now?
One element that always pops up in my mind is the fact that we're the biggest club in England, every team is out for our scalp and plays with an intensity they don't have in other matches. I always bring up Ferguson alluding to this in a letter to Cantona once:
"I am sure you have been keeping an eye on our results and as you can see we are doing quite well as you know we have signed Teddy Sheringham to replace you but at the moment he is finding it difficult to find the space he got at Tottenham and is playing deep so we have some adjusting to do. Players sometimes don't realise how difficult it is to play at our level as every game is a Cup Final for our opponents so I just hope he can do it for us."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...e-left-manchester-united-i-kept-10513163.html
This is perfectly illustrated if you look at last year's league table, where we lost to WBA who were relegated, lost against Huddersfield, lost two points against Stoke and Southampton who finished in 17th and 19th place. And now against promoted Wolves who just had their biggest occasion in years against United at Old Trafford.
Dealing with teams who approach the match like it's the biggest match in their life is definitely a problem for us, and a lot of teams play that way when they face Manchester United. It takes a certain mentality to brush them off and we clearly don't have it. But this isn't 100% the explanation for our struggles either.
Maybe it's Mourinho and Van Gaal both being huge control freaks despite applying different ideologies that stiffles us. But then again there has been a serious lack of individual (attacking) talent in our squads too for years now. Saw Feyenoord against Utrecht yesterday where a 35 Robin van Persie lead the line in a way Lukaku could only dream off really.
Before RVP it was prime Rooney, before that Ronaldo, we've not had any attacking player who were on that level for at least 6 months since Ferguson retired.
While it's easy to argue that Jose didn't get every player he wanted, he most defenitely got most of the players he wanted.
After signing Pogba, Bailly, Lindeløf, Dalot, Fred, Matic, Ibrahimovic, Lukaku, Mkhi and Sanchez, i'm not sure how much room there is to complain about not getting Perisic and a defender...
The notion that we're shit because everyone ups their game against us is absurd. Yes, it's pretty obvious that a lot of teams want to beat us, but the fundamental flaws in our attacking football can't be explained by other teams wanting to beat us.
I don't disagree with that but something has obviously gone pear shaped between Woodard and Jose. I think promises were made and broken.
“Maybe the attitude should be better and we should play better because, again, we are at Old Trafford and we should just attack and press like we did against Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal last season. When we play like this it’s easier for us.”
What is stopping United from doing that? “I can’t tell you because I’m a player. It’s not me,” Pogba said.
Good luck with that view.
Our team is not set up to attack that's the problem. Mourinho has our team in a system that's compact and rigid hence why Madrid wanted him out. I seen us attack better when we had cleverly playing in CM and Welbeck in LM. We used to have such average players yet still played on the front foot in every match no matter who we played against. Now we have a manager that's scared of the opposition strengths instead of concentrating on our attacking strengths that when used to their full potential can dismantle any team. We have some very good players, who don't become shit overnight!
It goes back to this notion that the players aren't coached attacking routines, given Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku are all besties you would think the 3 of them could sort that kind of shit out together?
Pogba officially saying; Mourinho or me.
Is it to much to hope for that Pogba would go after Woodward and the governance of this club next?. If he is able to force Woodward away from football related matters and change the governance of this club, then he can dab and do as much stupid things in the media as he like.
Is it to much to hope for that Pogba would go after Woodward and the governance of this club next?. If he is able to force Woodward away from football related matters and change the governance of this club, then he can dab and do as much stupid things in the media as he like.
Thanks.
Err attack your gob, just do your job. Word.
It's undeniably been going on for at least four years though, how do you explain that then? Where were those fundamental flaws in attack against the big sides we beat?
We clearly can't deal with the small sides properly. Now Ferguson was the last man to have cracked that code, he used to describe himself as an oppertunistic gambler, whereas guys like Van Gaal and Mourinho are clearly the opposite and all about tactics focused on 'controlling'.
Think it has the most to do with style of play. When players are doubting your philosophy / style of play they need to be motivated for every single game, something Mourinho alluded to in his post match comments vs. Wolves. "They played like I play, like it's the World Cup final".
When you have a good system that that the players themselves are enjoying, then they're pretty much motivated no matter the opponent.
I agree with individual talent but then again our system rarely ever manages to have one of our attackers in a 1v1 position against an isolated FB.
Should run back to do your defensive duty instead of running your mouth, Paul...
Amirite guys?
I'll get my coat...
Amirite guys?
I'll get my coat...
Should run back to do your defensive duty instead of running your mouth, Paul...
Amirite guys?
I'll get my coat...
It doesn't really explain anything. Fact is that Mourinho wanted more players, he wanted to strengthen the squad even further, that's nothing new. Fact is that he didn't get all the players he wanted, either because they were too expensive or because Ed for some reason decided that they were the wrong players at the wrong price, the latter being speculation.
Another Fact is that Mourinho has also been allowed to bring in a large number of top quality players, and neither of them are performing consistently well, while at the same time our attacking football is just as "meh" as it was under Moyes and LVG. We should be doing much, much better, doesn't matter that Mourinho expected to sign one or two more players, with the players we have available there shouldn't be an opponent looking forward to meet us
I must be watching different games this season if you lot seriously think we haven't attacked or you're just simplisticly equating that to goals scored.
Tbh didn't see the I'm a player part. It's just stupid. He just wants to put it all out there for whatever reason and he should stop. Problem is he won't. Does he get it he's making an even more damage by running his mouth.
You seem to know quite a lot about this?