I'm not very keen on Pogba but to call him awful is wrong he's been just about our best player so far this season.
Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"
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I'm not very keen on Pogba but to call him awful is wrong he's been just about our best player so far this season.
Well said Pogba, and agree with his comments 100%.
Mourinho is quick to blame the players but the fact is he is responsible for the tactics and the way we play.
Let's get this fraud of a manager out of our club!!
Mourinho is quick to blame the players but the fact is he is responsible for the tactics and the way we play.
Let's get this fraud of a manager out of our club!!
Fraud of a manager? Do you really need someone posting his trophy haul in here? A ridiculous comment.
I'm all for getting rid of Mourinho (at the end of this season because it's pointless to do so now) and I don't think he's the manager he used to be but fecking hell, calling him a fraud is laughable.
Pogba had a good game overall (costly error aside) he was literally the only player on the pitch that looked capable of making something happen, but that doesn't give him the right to openly criticize the manager's tactical approach. He isn't paid to mouth off in the press, he is paid to produce the goods on the pitch and that is all. If he has an issue with Jose's strategy, why not just tell him personally, rather than broadcasting his feelings on the matter to all and sundry?
He's right, we are far too defensive in our home games, but all this airing our dirty laundry in public is unprofessional and counterproductive. Nothing positive can come from it.
Its actually not pointless now because if we can get the person we want in, they would have the rest of the season to mould the team and figure out a plan for next summer.
I'd be amazed if either of them were here next season. Looks like Pogba is trying to engineer his move for 3 months from now.
That, I assume, is his plan.
He's just using an inarguable point to kick up a stir yet again. He's in full on prepare to leave mode and those fawning on him over this need to check their loyalities because his aren't to us anymore.
We haven't been the slightest bit defensive in any of our play yet this season. The players can not blame tactics, we were constantly in great positions against Wolves we just didn't do anything with them and its on the players.
We haven't been the slightest bit defensive in any of our play yet this season. The players can not blame tactics, we were constantly in great positions against Wolves we just didn't do anything with them and its on the players.
How do you know he hasn't over the past 2 years?
I think you need to see more of Liverpool and City when they go ahead and then go for the kill vs us when we take the lead or are even chasing the game.
Then tell with a straight face we have been attacking. Hell we are not even counter attacking cohesively if that's our strategy and when chasing a game lack any sort of coherent philosophy or style.
I think Pogba wants to stay but not playing stifling football.
How is this being described as good leadership? Leadership is what happens on the pitch and around the training ground, not making loaded comments to the media.
My bad he didn't cut his vacation short but he played from the first game, despite winning the WC. He showed his dedication to the club with that. Only other who did that was Fellaini, who didn't play every game for Belgium iirc and who only got 20 minutes against Leicester.
Maybe the winner inside him can't see himself winning anything meaningful with our current style and tactics and that's why he's saying this in public?
We were (still are BTW) a struggling team because we couldn't count on many of our players playing at the start of the season due to WC fatigue or injuries, that's why I said that.
They came back a week earlier but none of them has said "put me in, I'm ready" as Mourinho himself has stated when he said Pogba asked to be in starting 11. That's passion and dedication right there.
I believe we all have agreed that those international quotes have been intentionally falsely translated as proven when our French speaking contingent has debunked those quotes.
I do believe Raiola is a cnut and that Pogba should cut all ties with him, but Mourinho himself has come out and said nor Pogba nor Raiola hasn't put any transfer requests in.
Would be a shame if we sell Pogna without seeing what he can do in an actual attacking side under a different, hopefully attacking manager, imo.
who's even available, though? Maybe Zidane?
I'm never big on sacking managers so early in the season, the manage who takes over rarely improves the team in the interim anyway. I'd only want to do it, like you say, if the right manager became available. Like when Klopp became available and we fecked around with LvG instead of going for him, I guess.
I just wish he would stop doing interviews , shut the feck up and stop undermining Jose .
Why not change now, do we want another season of bitching and moaning about players and above all shit performances? We have an opportunity to get Zidane, I do get this does not guarantee success but it will remove some of the dark clouds OT and may lift the mood of the players.
Also, I for one is fed up with transfers, and would hate to see him submit another list to Woody in March so let's give the funds to another manager than go through debacle of a summer.
Time to accept he is a failure and a fraud.
he's a failure, he's not a fraud, like I said, that's a dumb comment to make.
we don't know if Zidane's available, if he is, I'd be happy to go for him.
We should 'attack,attack,attack' but first you need a consistent structure both behind and infront and we clearly don't have that as our team changes from one game to the next.
Also you cant just 'attack' you need a game-plan which,again,we don't seem to have.
Liverpool,City,Spurs and now Chelsea have a clear defined strategy. You know what you're going to get with those sides offensively.We aren't comparable.I cant honestly say what our strategy is.Naturally I would say we're a counter-attacking side but I'm not really sure that's the case as we seem to be rather pragmatic when the counter attacking option becomes available.
One thing I am quite confident about saying is we're a mess and the majority of that comes from you-know-who.
Also you cant just 'attack' you need a game-plan which,again,we don't seem to have.
Liverpool,City,Spurs and now Chelsea have a clear defined strategy. You know what you're going to get with those sides offensively.We aren't comparable.I cant honestly say what our strategy is.Naturally I would say we're a counter-attacking side but I'm not really sure that's the case as we seem to be rather pragmatic when the counter attacking option becomes available.
One thing I am quite confident about saying is we're a mess and the majority of that comes from you-know-who.
People here have been saying what Pogab said for ages, now that Pogba has had enough and said it out load people are telling him to shut up? LOL
Thing I don’t get and Jose alluded to this - ‘They can’t afford to get rid of me’. Surely missing out on champions league is financially more damaging then keeping a manager because you’re too afraid to pay him off after sacking him?
If you cannot see the difference between what some random person says on 'redcafe.net' and what the star player of Manchester United says in public about his manager, then there's really no help for you.
In all honesty I think he said that in a joking way.
Tho with him there's always that hidden message.
Using those two as the benchmark for attacking and anything else below that being stifling is a ridiculous argument though.
Maybe what's seen as attacking has moved on but we were very rarely as attacking as they are now under SAF. In phases of the game yeah but not a full 90mins.
For what its worth, we had more shots and more shots on target than Liverpool did against Southampton.
I really like Pogba, he's the only one brave enough to try and play the way that comes naturally to him, and he's the only one brave enough to criticise the manager when it is obvious that he is restraining the players to rigid and unsuitable tactics. If we were to lose Pogba and keep Mourinho, it would be the biggest mistake that the club has made since he left the first time.
Indeed!
I'm not sure about Zidane, but if we wait till next summer and end up with Zidane and Zidane was who we wanted them I will be annoyed that we waited personally.
Was previously happy for Jose to stay till season end. Figured the instability of bringing a new manager would harm our top 4 chances but right now top 4 isn't even guaranteed
Of course he knew that it would be reported, even if he said it to a foreign journalist. He knew exactly what he was doing.
We will be 'losing' them both.
We did go for Klopp. Ed Woodward was selling Manchester United as the 'Disneyland of football' towards him and his agent.
Klopp thought it was tacky and he's right.
Take Chelsea then for example, heck even Arsenal. Both of them teams look more organised going forward and their attacking game actually has some semblance of attack in it, some attack patterns, style and they've had their manager's appointed this summer.
Tho I myself (not Mourinho's biggest fan for sure) think he said it in jest, I won't discard that other opinion as well.
This thread should be bookmarked for when players are criticised for saying noting other than the usual PR-friendly, media training soundbites with complete monotony.
I hope he says they practice first touches as well.
I can bet every dime I have what Pogba has said is exactly what the entire team thinks.
Whether he was joking or not, the point is Woodward has previous for letting a failing manager drag on and on, until it is financially cheaper to sack them - see Moyes and LVG - failing to see the bigger picture, which is financial compensation packages to managers is peanuts compared to the gain you can make by bringing in a new manager asap, possibly getting a proper title challenge going and solidifying top 4 prospects. There is no way in hell, that this current squad for all the stick it is getting wouldn't get top 4 under a half-decent attacking manager. I'm not a huge Zidane fan (still feel he's a risk) but if he was available, he'd instantly turn things around and get us top 3 bare minimum - which would pay for itself.
You would think so but I still think there is a divide within the camp.
Mourinho's always been a bit of a coward with his tactics, I'm sure that doesn't help us. At the same time I remember a certain Louis van Gaal who uses very different tactics and training methods, yet the outcome was eerily similar. A pathetic team that can't create shite. No idea what will fix this team, but it damn sure isn't going to be Zizou by making us into an attacking machine overnight.
It's true - players want to play a good brand of football just as much as the fans want to watch it.
And before Van Gaal we had Moyes’ death by a thousand crosses. Feck it, even in Fergie’s last couple of seasons the warning signs were there (“zombie football” etc) I’m actually kind of struggling to work out why we’ve been so tumescent in attack for so long and Mourinho is 100% culpable for what we delive under his stewardship but this is a problem that we’ve had for fecking years.
Hey I agree with you and would also want to add that we really could use a DoF, but not a dummy one, we need a one with proper executive power when it comes to appointing managers and buying players.
Wasn't the new young coach brought in to help address this? That's gone well.