Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"

Ban said:
You're really, really naive if you think Pogba cares about United or even knows what United is about.
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Of course he's self serving as anyone else in the industry. But his vision of how we should be playing is much more in line with our traditions than Jose's.

If he's not happy in his work environment and fundamentally disagrees with the coach, then of course he'll leave. Why should he stay.

All I'm saying is, I'd much rather this clown go than one of our best players.
 
Kapardin said:
I don't care if it's promoting player power, but Pogba was 100% right.

The line in the briefing, "Jose punished him because no-one is bigger than the club" is pretty disengenous. Because Pogba was talking about respecting the club's tradition. Jose was simply using the club as a shield in his war of words with Pogba, it's really about him. Shows that the briefings were from Jose's camp, well, they backfired big time as he ended up proving Pogba was correct.
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Pogba is doing exactly the same. He's making those unnecessary comments to undermine the manager and get the fans on his side.
Pogba and club's tradition? Give me a brake. You think Mino Raiola respects United tratidions?
 
iluvurmummy said:
Of course he's self serving as anyone else in the industry. But his vision of how we should be playing is much more in line with our traditions than Jose's.
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Our tradition is just attack, attack? It's too simple. His vision is just to serve himself as you said. His vision is to flirt with Barcelona or whatever club, even if a new manager comes he'll do it again soon I bet.
 
This is the end result of undermining your players in the press. The powerful ones bite back.

Mourinho is all fart, no shit. Infact, he is shit. The dried up kind that merely festers.
 
Ban said:
Our tradition is just attack, attack? It's too simple. His vision is just to serve himself as you said. His vision is to flirt with Barcelona or whatever club, even if a new manager comes he'll do it again soon I bet.
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Your words, not mine. But come on you know what I meant, how we philosophically play football. Front foot, taking the initiative, pro active, probing.
 
People who refer to SAF all the time probably have forgotten how football has changed since he stopped managing. The players are not men anymore, the selfie generation needs more nurture and care. If Fergie wasn't putting such an emphasis on attacking football, it'd be damn hard for him to keep his elite talent happy.

That's why the Spanish and German cheerleaders are having our rivals dominating us. Moyes, LvG and Mourinho I feel were all choices that were thought would give some authority, not beautiful attacking football. Unfortunately they all back-fired because this era is about playing expansive football the way world-class players(and United) want to play, not grind them down physically and mentally just running around aimlessly in training which we seem to have done since 2013.
 
iluvurmummy said:
Your words, not mine. But come on you know what I meant, how we philosophically play football. Front foot, taking the intiative, pro active, probing.
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All I mean is Pogba doesn't give a fek about the club. Not a single one.
 
Ban said:
All I mean is Pogba doesn't give a fek about the club. Not a single one.
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He probably doesn't, my reference to his transfer here was that he chose to come here to ply his trade. And he's a pretty awesome footballer on his day, the things he speaks of are things most (or many, at least) of the fan base also see and agree with.

If he leaves because we play turd on a stick football, then it's a damn shame because we don't exactly have an abundance of class players.
 
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Captain Pogba eh..
 
iluvurmummy said:
He probably doesn't, my reference to his transfer here was that he chose to come here to ply his trade. And he's a pretty awesome footballer on his day, the things he speaks of are things most (or many, at least) of the fan base also see and agree with.

If he leaves because we play turd on a stick football, then it's a damn shame because we don't exactly have an abundance of class players.
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We'll get someone else who wont have Mino fking Raiola as an agent.
 
Kag said:
This is the end result of undermining your players in the press. The powerful ones bite back.

Mourinho is all fart, no shit. Infact, he is shit. The dried up kind that merely festers.
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Poetic :lol:
 
Anyone that thinks Pogba will change under a new manager, is going to be in for a shock.
 
Pogba doesn't need to give a feck about Man United. That is what many fans don't get, these players don't have the same level of passion we have so don't disappointed by them when they care about themselves
 
Kag said:
This is the end result of undermining your players in the press. The powerful ones bite back.

Mourinho is all fart, no shit. Infact, he is shit. The dried up kind that merely festers.
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:lol: this
 
Another Roy Keane reference and attempt at worship. That guy went hard on his teammate in the media which was one of the reasons he fell out with SAF. But let's keep bringing him up to show that he's this infallible God like figure etc..

Give me a break.

People should seriously start seeing the irony of the things they post.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
Anyone that thinks Pogba will change under a new manager, is going to be in for a shock.
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He doesn't need to change. He's played under various managers and unsurprisingly done fine. The only manager with whom it seems he can't work with is Mourinho.

Mourinho the same man who has left his 2 previous jobs due to falling out with his players. I know who has a good history with his mangers in the past and who has a torrid one with his players
 
Santoryo said:
He doesn't need to change. He's played under various managers and unsurprisingly done fine. The only manager with whom it seems he can't work with is Mourinho.

Mourinho the same man who has left his 2 previous jobs due to falling out with his players. I know who has a good history with his mangers in the past and who has a torrid one with his players
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It's just a coincidence mate. The problem is Pogba, not Mourinho. I mean, his record speaks for itself. :wenger:
 
FromTheBench said:
Saf won't let it reach that situation anyway and sort it in house with the players as a whole. Maybe even accommodate their concerns re playing style.

Saf was damn flexible with players actually. Mourinho is more.rigid.
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Really? You think so? That's not how I remember SAF! Let me refresh your memory. (Pogba was only 18 back then!!!)



Pogba 'disgusted' by Fergie selection


http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/276115.html


What Rafael told Paul Pogba after he started ahead of him in midfield v Blackburn

https://www.givemesport.com/1297189...-started-ahead-of-him-in-midfield-v-blackburn
 
Imagine a 18-year old Pogba disgusted (!) at SAF!

Now imagine a 25-year old Pogba... it usually gets worse, not better...

(Remember: We don't learn about everything that happens behind closed doors.)
 
CA_vampire said:
Really? You think so? That's not how I remember SAF! Let me refresh your memory. (Pogba was only 18 back then!!!)



Pogba 'disgusted' by Fergie selection


http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/276115.html


What Rafael told Paul Pogba after he started ahead of him in midfield v Blackburn

https://www.givemesport.com/1297189...-started-ahead-of-him-in-midfield-v-blackburn
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I’ll have to quote your post just so that it doesn’t get overlooked by others. These good ones tend to get buried in these threads
 
CA_vampire said:
Imagine a 18-year old Pogba disgusted (!) at SAF!

Now imagine a 25-year old Pogba... it usually gets worse, not better...

(Remember: We don't learn about everything that happens behind closed doors.)
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Exactly.. this statement cannot be repeated enough.

Even if Pogba and Raoila manages to get Jose sacked, I reckon he would still leave the club soon enough. So sick of player power.
 
kouroux said:
He was and is 100000% correct.
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That is the point! We have had shit tactics for too long, cant beat teams at OT anymore. Of course the players are pissed and frustrated and Jose is losing more and more ground
 
Micky Targaryen said:
Exactly.. this statement cannot be repeated enough.

Even if Pogba and Raoila manages to get Jose sacked, I reckon he would still leave the club soon enough. So sick of player power.
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What you mean by that? Because a player is not happy the way we play and the way the manager handles things? Jose's doing a shit job, on and off the pitch, so at one point players stand up
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I agree. It it's Pogba or Mourinho, I'll pay Jose's flight. Pogba needs to stop being so slow to release the pass though. His dwelling often breaks up attacks. There is a beast of a player in there though.
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Completely agree. Our biggest star v a has been manager who is ruining the club? I'm on Pogba's side.

Pogba will outlast Mourinho. It's only a matter of time before Mourinho is gone.
 
Escobar said:
What you mean by that? Because a player is not happy the way we play and the way the manager handles things? Jose's doing a shit job, on and off the pitch, so at one point players stand up
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How would you know this? Do we know what's going on behind the scenes? Do we truly know who started this rift between Jose and Pogba? Maybe it could be Raiola stirring shit like he normally does?

What we do know for sure are the actual quotes in the press. And if we were to compare them, Jose definitely sounded much more professional then Pogba's immature quotes. No player is bigger than the club, just remain professional and get on with your job of which you're being paid millions to do. Ed Woodward and the board is in charge of sacking Jose, not Pogba.
 
kouroux said:
He was and is 100000% correct.
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Yeah, our movement is shit and non existent, lack of intensity, passing options, defending and attacking as a team is very obvious. Whatever happens, I'm happy at least player took up the issue and spoke about it.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah, our movement is shit and non existent, lack of intensity, passing options, defending and attacking as a team is very obvious. Whatever happens, I'm happy at least player took up the issue and spoke about it.
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Yup. As soon as we stop going for it, we endangeer ourselves with our terrible backline. I don't get why we started to go for it at 2-1 and 10 players whereas at 1-0 and no card, we let them back into it.
 
kouroux said:
Yup. As soon as we stop going for it, we endangeer ourselves with our terrible backline. I don't get why we started to go for it at 2-1 and 10 players whereas at 1-0 and no card, we let them back into it.
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Worst part is, this is against team with players in loan from Liverpool and Chelsea, players who are still learning and at early stage vs our players like Jones, Young, Matic, Herrera, Mata, Lukaku, Lingard who are at their peaks.
 
roonster09 said:
Worst part is, this is against team with players in loan from Liverpool and Chelsea, players who are still learning and at early stage vs our players like Jones, Young, Matic, Herrera, Mata, Lukaku, Lingard who are at their peaks.
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In the prematch, Derby fans were saying how delighted they were with Lampard, how he made their team more exciting to watch. I mean he's been barely appointed and he already generates those reactions.
Their football was very coherent too. Nothing elaborate, clear plan and players executing it.
Why do we make football so fecking complicated ?
 
kouroux said:
In the prematch, Derby fans were saying how delighted they were with Lampard, how he made their team more exciting to watch. I mean he's been barely appointed and he already generates those reactions.
Their football was very coherent too. Nothing elaborate, clear plan and players executing it.
Why do we make football so fecking complicated ?
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Yeah, it's only at ManUtd where manager should sign all the players he want and spend at least 3 years before he can make impression on the team. There are so many examples to show where coach made the impression right from the word go, somehow many don't even see that. Funny how excuses was how we didn't sign CB so Jose isn't backed.
 
We're fallen into a trap of believing our squad is bang average and not able to do much more.

The reason our defence is looking dogshiit half of the time is because they're shiit scared. By sitting deep and never pressing to hinder opposition in building their attack, we put even more pressure on our defence and that plus their constant fear of making a mistake and getting the blame / being dropped is an explosive mix.

One FB stays to defend, one goes forward is making us predictable and too linear.

MF of Herrera, Fred, Pereira, Pogba, Matić is a pretty good MF with players that are all technically sound and they have good engines on them, they would do good in a more open, attacking system of possession and intricate passes where we look to dominate the opposition and smoother them with high passing .

Our attack lacks balance but there are some proven and talented players that aren't preforming due to system we're playing. Lukaku is not really a target man because his holdup isn't good, for his size and strength he seems awful in shielding the ball and getting on the end of hoofballs. Sanchez and Mata can't play in counter attacking setup because they're on the decline, can't run with the ball and can't get into position quick enough.

Martial and Rashford, both hugely talented but both very young and need developing.

Lingard got a good engine and shot on him, he's a worker bee but never a starter tho.
 
Micky Targaryen said:
Exactly.. this statement cannot be repeated enough.

Even if Pogba and Raoila manages to get Jose sacked, I reckon he would still leave the club soon enough. So sick of player power.
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I'm not all that sure that player power is the big boogeyman you and some others are making it out to be. City & Liverpool don't seem to have too much of an issue with it, which would lead me to think players only get arsey when its obviously going tits up. Pay them the going rate (i.e. not Spurs), play decent football (i.e. not us or Jose's/Conte's Chelsea) and they'll usually get on with it.
 
kouroux said:
In the prematch, Derby fans were saying how delighted they were with Lampard, how he made their team more exciting to watch. I mean he's been barely appointed and he already generates those reactions.
Their football was very coherent too. Nothing elaborate, clear plan and players executing it.
Why do we make football so fecking complicated ?
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No one ever seems to have an answer for this. It was asked with Sarri, now it’s being asked with Lampard.

The excuse with Chelsea was “those players won the league”, so what about Derby then? Once again, I saw a team playing coherent attacking football last night, and it wasn’t United.

It’s pretty obvious you don’t need to sign 11 new players to play positive football, contrary to what those on here would have you believe. These are professional footballers, not men you pick up at the pub. They all have some baseline of ability, with the right coaching you can play positive football.

The role of a coach/manager has been so diminished on here to support Mourinho you would think that all a manager is supposed to do is pick the 11 on a weekend. Everything else is down to the players :rolleyes:
 
Cloud7 said:
No one ever seems to have an answer for this. It was asked with Sarri, now it’s being asked with Lampard.

The excuse with Chelsea was “those players won the league”, so what about Derby then? Once again, I saw a team playing coherent attacking football last night, and it wasn’t United.

It’s pretty obvious you don’t need to sign 11 new players to play positive football, contrary to what those on here would have you believe. These are professional footballers, not men you pick up at the pub. They all have some baseline of ability, with the right coaching you can play positive football.

The role of a coach/manager has been so diminished on here to support Mourinho you would think that all a manager is supposed to do is pick the 11 on a weekend. Everything else is down to the players :rolleyes:
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This and many of our players performing rather better at the international stage indicates something isn't working at Utd
 
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