His legacy is set in stone but his Manchester United will have harmed his image a lot I think. Even at Real Madrid, he had respect for winning a league title vs Pep. I think Jose needs a good sabbatical from football
Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"
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Well tbh those 2 posts from earlier gave me that impression, alongside 'childish behaviour' as well. Mix that with you username and people get confused
But hey I could be wrong it's still pretty early in the morning!
1. Did you read the comments that I replied to and my replies thoroughly? In isolation they stand as being fair but put my replies with the original comments and you get a more complete understanding.
2. I did not ascribe any childish behavior to Pogba, I said that the "you did it first" excuse/reasoning given by some persons was childish.
I've found that people see what they want to see.
P.S. I both like and regret my user name.
Well at the end, Jose is right, it's not Pogba's job to be the manager, very often he is not capable to do his own job, as he has demonstrated through out his time here. You have every right to be upset with Mourinho, I have many reasons also, but the one that calls the shots, should not be Paul Pogba, it's Ed Woodward.
Im not on about Mourinho himself Im on about the fact that he doesnt drop Lukaku after playing poorly like the original poster said, and dont be so childish when someone dares to answer you back, What are you 10-11 years old?
Childish??
Sorry but, someone says it's Mourinho's fault for Lukaku missing an open goal and I'm the childish one for saying he's not?
Answer back all you want but, don't start spouting utter bullshit to me.
You're on about him not dropping Lukaku after a bad spell like others, that's fine! I agree that he should be!
I'm talking about that utter mess of a post, blaming someone not on the pitch for missing an open goal! You want to ignore that to push an agenda, work away
It's all guess work really. There were no evident problems between him and Jose until he was dropped, and he was dropped because his form deeped in January, then the Spurs away match incident happened and the problems followed. There were no evident issues regarding anything between them, if I remember. Maybe you can recall, how Jose defended him against Scholes criticism just before the turn of the year?
And I'm sorry, I can't see maturity and dedication when you are made captain, and admit I was not it the right mindset in the second game of the season. Leaders must do better than that.
About the comments at the international break, I meant he could have handled it better. After all he is an intelligent guy, and if he wanted to put an end to the rumors, he could have done it differently. Everybody knows how the media operate, but they still have a big influence on the narrative.
Come on mate no need to be so defensive. I was just making the point that if Mourinho had recruited better, and developed what he had well, then maybe we wouldn't be so rubbish going forward. Obviously I wasn't specifically blaming Mourinho for Lukaku missing that chance because that would be absurd, but I'm pretty sure you know I didn't mean that.Childish??
Sorry but, someone says it's Mourinho's fault for Lukaku missing an open goal and I'm the childish one for saying he's not?
Answer back all you want but, don't start spouting utter bullshit to me.
You're on about him not dropping Lukaku after a bad spell like others, that's fine! I agree that he should be!
I'm talking about that utter mess of a post, blaming someone not on the pitch for missing an open goal! You want to ignore that to push an agenda, work away
The way it was worded, it sounded like you were implying it.
For what it's worth, I want everyone at the club to feck off
Just re read my post and can't really see how you've come to that conclusion but okay. Not sure how it's 'an utter state of a post' and I need to 'shut up ffs'. I said that Mourinho has constantly relied on Lukaku and not given other players a chance there in general.
Pogba should just worry about moving the ball on quicker rather than taking 15 touches.
Of course United should attack attack attack at Old Trafford. And everywhere else for that matter. So Pogba's right there. Of course the manager has us playing in a way no one gets excited about. But Monsieur Pogba needs to take a long hard look at himself. That he makes so many bad football decisions on the pitch has nothing to do with anyone but him. Losing the ball so often trying to do something spectacular while the simple and effective thing is on. Then watching as the opponent carries on past him like it's a kids training session. He never reappeared in the picture between losing the ball and Wolves equaliser. Not for the umpteenth time. For all his brilliant contribution on the pitch there's way too many silly moments he should have grown out of by now. Start doing all the right things Paul, then you can have the right to call out others. No one else played a part in unnecessarily losing the ball against Wolves and not bothering to make any effort at recovery as they bore down on our goal. Everyone in the squad should shut up and shape up, starting with you Paul...
Well its obvious we are not going to agree.
Im sure you stand by what you have said, as will I.
As im not privileged to be in a position to see the team live, I commented on what the Pogba has said and the manner he has said it and in my opinion he is purposefully undermining the manager.
Now if that is something that is OK for you then you should say this!
Regarding the lack of movement etc etc, thats a valuable insight, but IMHO does not negate the footballing point others and myself have made about Pogba i.e. holding the ball too long in positions where he shouldnt be doing it.
My dislike of Pogba the player/person is that he is acting to his own interests and at the same time 'plays' the fans along.
Will leave it at that
I'm not taking any side here, but we have a manager that chooses to use the media to criticise some of our players in public, so its fair game in my opinion that some players do the same, especially given the rise in player power over the years.
The other point, I never understood the stick that Wayne Rooney took on this forum back when he criticised our transfer policy at the same time that every fan was doing the same thing. Now Pogba is echoing everybody's feelings on a tactical issue and is also receiving criticism from some fans. I realise that it creates a picture that there is disharmony within the club, but then didn't we all know that anyway? I quite enjoy it when any manager or player gives an interview that isn't a media-coached script.
The other point, I never understood the stick that Wayne Rooney took on this forum back when he criticised our transfer policy at the same time that every fan was doing the same thing. Now Pogba is echoing everybody's feelings on a tactical issue and is also receiving criticism from some fans. I realise that it creates a picture that there is disharmony within the club, but then didn't we all know that anyway? I quite enjoy it when any manager or player gives an interview that isn't a media-coached script.
I think Pogba is just frustrated. Think of it from his pov. The team is being hamstrung by poor coaching/tactics. He wants to enjoy his football and lets be honest could probably move to a Juve/Bayern/Barca/Madrid if he really pushed for it. He doesn't give a shit if Mourinho is hung out to dry as he's the exact person who is fecking everything up - in Pogba's eyes anyway.
I don't mind him coming out and saying that as its clear things have reached breaking point and eventually something has to give. Hopefully its Mourinho who is shown the door.
Yes, but people are ignoring it.
United fans and Mourinho have every right to be frustrated with Pogba often. Sometimes he hasn't been good enough, and it's mainly due to himself. I really feel the team has been equally as hamstrung from overpaid prima donas like him thinking that they are being better than they really are, as much as from tactics and Mourinho. You have a player like Pogba who is very inconsistent and players like Lingard who think they are some fecking factor in world football, while being absolute average football players. Let's be honest, Pogba not being able to do the absolute basics in some matches, has nothing to do with the manager, and it will happen again even if we change the coach.
And him not giving a shit if Mourinho is hung up to dry, is one of the points, that doesn't help the team one bit. It works against our club and I can't tolerate attitudes like that.
Are you seriously telling me that you are happy with his performances this season ? A 90 million pound player . You are honestly grateful for a couple of flashes of his potential, you my friend have been sucked in by the hype presume you have one of each new shirt with his name in the back ?
He’s supposed to be a game changer !!
Who would you have signed?
They like to live in an alternate universe on here where the walls are caving in and there's anarchy at Carrington.
No I'm just saying exactly what you said in the middle bit above about dropping him. All I was on about the childish bit was the last bit you added on at the end. In general We can agree or disagree that's fine as it is a forum. I got no beef with you at all.Childish??
Sorry but, someone says it's Mourinho's fault for Lukaku missing an open goal and I'm the childish one for saying he's not?
Answer back all you want but, don't start spouting utter bullshit to me.
You're on about him not dropping Lukaku after a bad spell like others, that's fine! I agree that he should be!
I'm talking about that utter mess of a post, blaming someone not on the pitch for missing an open goal! You want to ignore that to push an agenda, work away
OK, your attempt at being condescending aside, are you really sure about what you're arguing here?
Here's your entire discussion on this thread:
Someone posted this alluding that Pogba is pretty much following the example set by his manager.
You reply to it with an assumption that things will pretty much go the same way with another manager, alluding that Pogba will no shy away from doing the same.
Another guy tells you that Pogba doesn't really have a history of doing that despite working with 3 different managers and being successful with them so far. Don't forget Deschamps criticised Pogba as well.
To which you respond with another assumption that Pogba hasn't done it because he didn't have the same reputation and power to pull it off, again making Pogba the bad guy here. Don't forget Pogba never said anything prior to Mourinho's post WC comments.
Also remember when Mourinho was constantly calling out the board regarding buying players, we're you annoyed with him then or have you been critical of him because after all he was doing the same thing Pogba is doing now - undermining higher-ups.
Guy tells you it was pretty much Mourinho's own doing.
Bare in mind again, Mourinho has been doing so for over 2 years, throwing players under the bus, criticizing, humiliating, attacking club legends, jabbing at the board, disrespecting his workplace with his post Sevilla game comments and Pogba has been watching Mourinho doing so for 2+ years without consequences so I guess he thought 'if he can do it so can I, nothing wrong to it'.
So considering you've been pretty condemning when it comes to Pogba's comments, but you failed to be critical when it comes to Mourinho's comments, when you add your username into the mix it does give an impression that you're defending Mourinho tho.
1. So yeah I did read them thoroughly, but did you?
2. Double standards imo. Not making an excuse for Pogba, wont condone nor will I condemn what he's been saying (other than what he said after the Leicester game) but you're trying to downplay Mourinho's role in the way Pogba's been behaving as of late .
Here's your entire discussion on this thread:
Someone posted this alluding that Pogba is pretty much following the example set by his manager.
You reply to it with an assumption that things will pretty much go the same way with another manager, alluding that Pogba will no shy away from doing the same.
Another guy tells you that Pogba doesn't really have a history of doing that despite working with 3 different managers and being successful with them so far. Don't forget Deschamps criticised Pogba as well.
To which you respond with another assumption that Pogba hasn't done it because he didn't have the same reputation and power to pull it off, again making Pogba the bad guy here. Don't forget Pogba never said anything prior to Mourinho's post WC comments.
Also remember when Mourinho was constantly calling out the board regarding buying players, we're you annoyed with him then or have you been critical of him because after all he was doing the same thing Pogba is doing now - undermining higher-ups.
Guy tells you it was pretty much Mourinho's own doing.
Bare in mind again, Mourinho has been doing so for over 2 years, throwing players under the bus, criticizing, humiliating, attacking club legends, jabbing at the board, disrespecting his workplace with his post Sevilla game comments and Pogba has been watching Mourinho doing so for 2+ years without consequences so I guess he thought 'if he can do it so can I, nothing wrong to it'.
You got that from what I said?
For information sake, I've asked the entire United body from the boardroom to the players to shut up and do their jobs and that's including Mourinho.
Mourinho, Pogba and Woodward are in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship. If one fails they all fail similar if one succeeds it increases the chances of success for the collective. I want United to succeed.
Well tbh those 2 posts from earlier gave me that impression, alongside 'childish behaviour' as well. Mix that with you username and people get confused
But hey I could be wrong it's still pretty early in the morning!
1. Did you read the comments that I replied to and my replies thoroughly? In isolation they stand as being fair but put my replies with the original comments and you get a more complete understanding.
2. I did not ascribe any childish behavior to Pogba, I said that the "you did it first" excuse/reasoning given by some persons was childish.
I've found that people see what they want to see.
P.S. I both like and regret my user name.
So considering you've been pretty condemning when it comes to Pogba's comments, but you failed to be critical when it comes to Mourinho's comments, when you add your username into the mix it does give an impression that you're defending Mourinho tho.
1. So yeah I did read them thoroughly, but did you?
2. Double standards imo. Not making an excuse for Pogba, wont condone nor will I condemn what he's been saying (other than what he said after the Leicester game) but you're trying to downplay Mourinho's role in the way Pogba's been behaving as of late .
Parklife!
My impression now is that all our wingers or attacking/flair players look like they are below championship level.
Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Mata, Lingard whilst not world class should have enough to outplay the likes of Wolves, Burnley etc... but they look broken.
He's not wrong but him coming out and stating this just illustrates the bad state the club is in.
This is a depressing way to look at it but there's a point there. Pretty damning of Jose I'd say.
He's a player not the manager. It doesn't matter what he wants or says. It's not fantasy football.
Would help if there some was movement ahead.
Honestly mate I don't have a great answer to that. Icardi at Inter looks a good player but hard to say whether he would have been good enough, or available, I don't know. It's Mourinho's job to build a squad capable of challenging, and so far that does not look like happening. The players should certainly do better but ultimately the manager has had time and money and hasn't been able to build a functioning forward line, with Lukaku being a part of that issue.
That's exactly what it is. Same for Lukaku, who isn't a flair player and has his weaknesses, but is a better player and striker than we've been seeing. I also don't think Pogba has progressed like he should have since arriving. He might have cost a world record fee, but he was not the finished article back then and isn't close to being one now.
When Sir Alex was in charge I would be totally against any player saying anything about him. But I agree with Pogbas comments "We are at home and we should play much better against Wolves. We are here to attack," I think he is right in saying this because he is saying basically the things that I hear from other people I know when I talk about United. I think that this shows his attitude is that he wants us to do well and please the fans.
Or that he wants to leave and has picked on this particular sore spot for political expediency. Given that his agent has been hawking him around Europe for 9 months, that's more likely to be the case.
You are the one calling for our best player and best performer to be sold at all cost for a comment to the press. And then you talk about immaturity. I hope you see the irony here.
He is certainly echoing what most people feel. The problem is he's not been part of the solution. The amount of excuses that are made for Pogba not displaying his best abilities could fill a few books. He needs to play left side of a midfield three. He needs energetic runners beside him etc. etc.
And in a way, it's Pogba in a nutshell. He can talk but he rarely walks the walk. I hope he starts performing at a level he can consistently since he's happy to come out and say anything and everything.
And in a way, it's Pogba in a nutshell. He can talk but he rarely walks the walk. I hope he starts performing at a level he can consistently since he's happy to come out and say anything and everything.
But they did attack. They just couldn't score. And, btw, they gave up a tieing goal. If they'd defended, defended, defended, maybe they would have won.
It's like pogba wants his dessert without eating his vegetables.
Sanchez's form has been a complete mystery to me. It makes no sense. The drop off is huge. It's almost like he is performing at 40% of what he is actually capable of (when in good form).
This is a good point.
Had we parked the bus after scoring, then perhaps we'd have come away with a 1-0 win.
Whatever the case, there is a clear effort to attack, even when leading.
Messing up one open chance is not on Mourinho, but the fact that we create so few chances is definitely on Mourinho. That's why that one miss looks so glaring because it's one of the very few chances that we created that game.
Jose has told him he'll never be captain again according to MEN