Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"

[Ranchero]

Tired of the Pogba vs Mourinho poison. People will say Pogba should be raising this privately not publicly, but we don't know that he hasn't. And however I try to justify Mo's past comment about players, it is clear he has been way out of line with them. He appears now to have lost the dressing room.

As much as I am upset when I see Pogba and Pereira in the stand head from the seats before the game had even gone to pens, I am also upset that it has got to the point where a number of players are not giving 100% and are not playing for the shirt. They will say they are not playing for Mourinho, whose manner on the touchline and even in press conference is just a world away from the uplifting tones of a Pep or a Klopp.
I know I'd rather work for a manager like Pep or Klopp than a barking Mourinho.

If the Portuguese boss stays I just cannot see it getting better. We will have games when we will manage a win and we will all eat that up. But then we have nights like last night, one of the most embarrassing performances as much as anything else that I have seen post-Fergie. For a Championship side to have more of the ball than us AT HOME, is an absolutely disgrace when you consider the resources we have to buy the best talent in the world. Derby had 53% possession and had two more attempts on target than we managed.

Even Lingard, who is a United boy, looks like a rabbit in the headlights right now.

I want to be glowing over a magnificent Martial performance, or a Lukaku hat-trick, not this nonsense.

 

[POF]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer seems to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

 

[.Rossi]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer serms to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

This!

It's reminding me of Kanchelskis this situation.
Difference being that Kanchelskis produced and it was all kept behind the scenes....Well, most of it

 

[Ferguson]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer serms to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

Fergie never criticized his own players in public like Mourinho has done, and when Keane behaved like Jose he was straight out of the club.

Jose has poisoned his own well with Pogba and probably others like Martial as well.

Also Sir Alex would never have demoted a player for wanting to play attacking football. You cannot separate the winning mentality from the tradition of attacking football at United.

 

[AlexUTD]

Fergie never criticized his own players in public like Mourinho has done, and when Keane behaved like Jose he was straight out of the club.

Jose has poisoned his own well with Pogba and probably others like Martial as well.

Also Sir Alex would never have demoted a player for wanting to play attacking football. You cannot separate the winning mentality from the tradition of attacking football at United.

Good post.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer serms to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

Absolutely spot on.

Also Sir Alex would never have demoted a player for wanting to play attacking football. You cannot separate the winning mentality from the tradition of attacking football at United.

Kind of missing the point if you think Pogba was 'demoted for wanting to play attacking football'! He was demoted for repeatedly speaking out in the press. The day that we accept and allow a player to start doing that - to the absolute detriment of the club itself - is the day I'll jack in watching football altogether.

 

[Still ill]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer serms to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

Agreed. Mou has made many mistakes but any manager who tolerates the tactics currently being employed by Pogba is doomed to failure. You've correctly listed some of the decisions Fergie had to make during his tenure. I think his first couple of years set the tone. Had to change the culture. Got rid of Norman and McGrath, who I loved. Decided he needed and could salvage Robson, which he did. Times have changed but basic principles of the dressing room never will.

 

[POF]

Fergie never criticized his own players in public like Mourinho has done, and when Keane behaved like Jose he was straight out of the club.

Jose has poisoned his own well with Pogba and probably others like Martial as well.

Also Sir Alex would never have demoted a player for wanting to play attacking football. You cannot separate the winning mentality from the tradition of attacking football at United.

If Pogba made those comments under Fergie, he wouldn't have played another minute until he apologised to the entire squad. The other players would have shunned him from the group. That is a high performance culture.

If you think Pogba's comments genuinely relate to him wanting to play attacking football you are incredibly naive. It's a clear power play.

I don't like Mourinho criticising the players in public and even moreso because he did it mainly to fringe players. Martial and Shaw have far more reason to have issues with it than Pogba.

For 18 months he never uttered a single modicum of criticism in Pogba's direction. The Spurs game at Wembley was the day the relationship changed. Pogba's effort that day was outrageous. That toxic relationship has been dragging the club down since.

 

[CA_vampire]

We're fallen into a trap of believing our squad is bang average and not able to do much more.

Can you think of any of our players that could play for Pep at City right now? Perhaps De Gea. Anyone else? Fellaini? Lukaku? Jones?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Pogba might talk about "attack, attack, attack" being the United way and fans may lap it up but that completely misses the point as to why United were successful.

Culture is huge in high performance teams and that was the key to United's success under Fergie. It was a squad of winners who bought into the squad culture and put the success of the team over their own self interest. The winning mentality and togetherness in the squad is as big a reason for United's great comebacks as "attack, attack, attack".

When egos kicked in, like Ince, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy they were sold. Or when a player challenged the manager (Keane, Stam) they were out. Rooney was also on the way out before Fergie left.

The character of a player was as important as ability in the players signed under Fergie. That is one of major changes in the post Fergie era. It no longer seems to be the case. It's why players like Herrera and Mata are key members of the squad even if they don't have elite level ability and are fringe players.

Pogba's comments are an absolute disgrace. Whatever you think about Mourinho or his tactics, Pogba's comments are intentionally disruptive. Maybe the club will never regain that winning culture under Mourinho but it's really hard to see that culture being built at a club where Pogba is the talisman. It's such a shame as he could have been an absolute club legend, but now he has to go.

Yes but the manager is the one to blame for this. He's spent 350 million, signed the likes of Pogba (world record fee), Mkhitarian and Sanchez, and apparently still can't assemble a team with the right attitude. He just said that Wolves played the way I like my team to and United didn't. The feck is he doing as our manager then? The guy doesn't have what it takes for this job. He needs to go. Pogba possibly needs to go too (if he actually wants out) but Mourinho definitely does.

 

[POF]

Yes but the manager is the one to blame for this. He's spent 350 million, signed the likes of Pogba (world record fee), Mkhitarian and Sanchez, and apparently still can't assemble a team with the right attitude. He just said that Wolves played the way I like my team to and United didn't. The feck is he doing as our manager then? The guy doesn't have what it takes for this job. He needs to go. Pogba possibly needs to go too (if he actually wants out) but Mourinho definitely does.

I don't disagree but I actually think that the club needs Pogba to leave before Mourinho. Pogba's comments are so obvious that Stevie Wonder could see he wants Jose to be sacked. The club just cannot do it now and have Pogba remain at the club.

 

[Fracture90]

Can you think of any of our players that could play for Pep at City right now? Perhaps De Gea. Anyone else? Fellaini? Lukaku? Jones?

Right now after 2 years of dogshiit football that has been played here?

You have a similar thread from 2 years ago where it was almost unanimous that only City had better squad.

Difference is in Guardiola developing and further improving his players, whilst ours have mainly stagnated or regressed.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

Yes but the manager is the one to blame for this.

There's a difference between somebody's actions contributing to somebody else's wrongdoing, and them being fully 'to blame' for something. If I get a bit mouthy to a big guy on a night out and beats me to death then my actions have contributed to it but he's still guilty of murder. You have to put your feelings towards Mourinho to one side for a minute and call out Pogba's behaviour for what it is. It is openly insubordinate, utterly self-serving, and completely detrimental to the club and team. People are (rightly) very unhappy that teams keep coming to United and playing without fear, but is it any wonder when Pogba is broadcasting the unrest within the team group?

He knows exactly what he is doing, and my money is on attempting to engineer himself a money-spinning move for himself and his agent. The other alternative (pretty unlikely imho) is that he just wants what is best for the club, and he deems that to be getting rid of Mourinho by any means necessary - but even in that scenario you can't keep a player that would do that...I mean, what if he doesn't like the next guy either??

 

[Ridge Racer]

Can you think of any of our players that could play for Pep at City right now? Perhaps De Gea. Anyone else? Fellaini? Lukaku? Jones?

well he wanted Alexis after all...

 

[Stacks]

No one ever seems to have an answer for this. It was asked with Sarri, now it’s being asked with Lampard.

The excuse with Chelsea was “those players won the league”, so what about Derby then? Once again, I saw a team playing coherent attacking football last night, and it wasn’t United.

It’s pretty obvious you don’t need to sign 11 new players to play positive football, contrary to what those on here would have you believe. These are professional footballers, not men you pick up at the pub. They all have some baseline of ability, with the right coaching you can play positive football.

The role of a coach/manager has been so diminished on here to support Mourinho you would think that all a manager is supposed to do is pick the 11 on a weekend. Everything else is down to the players

Due to Mourinho support, managers are no longer expected to develop, coach or put in a strategy to get more out of the individual parts. Its all about tranfers, new players, more transfers, further replacements and a little bit of motivation. That's the job of a manager according to Mourinho supporters

 

[In Rainbows]

Due to Mourinho support, managers are no longer expected to develop, coach or put in a strategy to get more out of the individual parts. Its all about tranfers, new players, more transfers, further replacements and a little bit of motivation. That's the job of a manager according to Mourinho supporters

Nope, according to the cult, now the manger isn't in charge of transfer targets at United.

 

[Cassidy]

Due to Mourinho support, managers are no longer expected to develop, coach or put in a strategy to get more out of the individual parts. Its all about tranfers, new players, more transfers, further replacements and a little bit of motivation. That's the job of a manager according to Mourinho supporters

Pretty much and its infuriating, and exactly what we don't need at a club which has some of the best talent is has had in years coming through the ranks.

 

[el3mel]

Due to Mourinho support, managers are no longer expected to develop, coach or put in a strategy to get more out of the individual parts. Its all about tranfers, new players, more transfers, further replacements and a little bit of motivation. That's the job of a manager according to Mourinho supporters

All tier 1 managers who win year in year out are cheque book manager. Pep, Mourinho, Carlo, Conte ..etc. Only tier 2 managers like Poch and Klopp are the ones who develop players these stuff.

Tier 1 managers aren't interested in staying long term and developing legacy. They want to come and win fast in 2-3 years before moving to other clubs and so on.

 

[Cassidy]

All tier 1 managers who win year in year out are cheque book manager. Pep, Mourinho, Carlo, Conte ..etc. Only tier 2 managers like Poch and Klopp are the ones who develop players these stuff.

Tier 1 managers aren't interested in staying long term and developing legacy. They want to come and win fast in 2-3 years before moving to other clubs and so on.

Not exactly true is it? Spending money doesn't mean you don't develop players or make them better and many of the manager you mentioned do.

What we're seeing at our club is that all the players we have signed, needs replacing according to many, and Jose fans think that is acceptable to just keep replacing what we have bought.

Thats the issue, where is the scrutiny on getting the best out of what we already have and have bought? Look at whats happening with Sanchez now, should a manager just be able to replace him (lets say it came to that) without demonstrating improvement in a few players or most?

 

[redIndianDevil]

I'm not all that sure that player power is the big boogeyman you and some others are making it out to be. City & Liverpool don't seem to have too much of an issue with it, which would lead me to think players only get arsey when its obviously going tits up. Pay them the going rate (i.e. not Spurs), play decent football (i.e. not us or Jose's/Conte's Chelsea) and they'll usually get on with it.

This. I mean at how many clubs do we see players causing trouble? The players care about their careers too and when a manager/coach helps most of the team, there won't be any trouble at all, even if one individual is causing trouble, he'd be forced to shut up or leave(like Sanchez in his last season at Arsenal). It only goes tits up when the manager isn't helping most of the team. That's when the dressing room gets split and players start causing troubles.

 

[redIndianDevil]

All tier 1 managers who win year in year out are cheque book manager. Pep, Mourinho, Carlo, Conte ..etc. Only tier 2 managers like Poch and Klopp are the ones who develop players these stuff.

Tier 1 managers aren't interested in staying long term and developing legacy. They want to come and win fast in 2-3 years before moving to other clubs and so on.

How the feck is Klopp a tier 2 manager? The man managed to win league titles in Germany when not managing Bayern Munich. Mourinho would spontaneously combust if he had to manage any team other than Bayern. Also Mourinho would get his team relegated if his midfield was Henderson, Milner and his defence had Lovren, Matip and Klavan.

 

[Jeffthered]

How the feck is Klopp a tier 2 manager? The man managed to win league titles in Germany when not managing Bayern Munich. Mourinho would spontaneously combust if he had to manage any team other than Bayern. Also Mourinho would get his team relegated if his midfield was Henderson, Milner and his defence had Lovren, Matip and Klavan.

Great post.

 

[Cassidy]

How the feck is Klopp a tier 2 manager? The man managed to win league titles in Germany when not managing Bayern Munich. Mourinho would spontaneously combust if he had to manage any team other than Bayern. Also Mourinho would get his team relegated if his midfield was Henderson, Milner and his defence had Lovren, Matip and Klavan.

Needs to win the UCL maybe, or win titles at multiple clubs etc. Hes on his way to tier 1, but I think he is actually tier 2 right now. Klopp hasn't won a thing at Liverpool what makes him tier 1?

 

[el3mel]

Not exactly true is it? Spending money doesn't mean you don't develop players or make them better and many of the manager you mentioned do.

What we're seeing at our club is that all the players we have signed, needs replacing according to many, and Jose fans think that is acceptable to just keep replacing what we have bought.

Thats the issue, where is the scrutiny on getting the best out of what we already have and have bought? Look at whats happening with Sanchez now, should a manager just be able to replace him (lets say it came to that) without demonstrating improvement in a few players.

No it's reality. Tier 1 managers like Pep and Mourinho without loads of money and open cheque book will do feck all. Pep needed +250m to win the league even though he's definitely the best manager in the world now by a country mile ahead of the rest. He didn't even challenge for the league in his first season and won nothing, and he only developed Sterling from the players he inherited.

Conte won the league on his first season and didn't stop bitching about the board not supporting him and throwing digs at them in his whole second season. He made them the direct reason for his second season failure. He left Juve midway in preseason because they refused to back him in market.

That's the reality of the tier 1 managers and if we're not able to offer open cheque book to them then we should have gone Liverpool route and hired someone like Klopp and let him build the squad on certain philosophy in 3-4 years. You don't hire tier 1 managers for long term and developing youth, you hire them when you have a full squad and want to start winning now. They don't tend to stay long to make a full build. They just want to win and leave after 3-4 years or something. Mourinho is no different.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Needs to win the UCL maybe, or win titles at multiple clubs etc. Hes on his way to tier 1, but I think he is actually tier 2 right now. Klopp hasn't won a thing at Liverpool what makes him tier 1?

Liverpool is only Klopp's second decent side he gets to manage, and he has to compete with moneybags like City, Chelsea and us and has got his teams to two CL finals. If he isn't tier 1, then Guardiola, Conte and Mourinho aren't too, seeing as neither of them won UCL for quite a bit of time.

 

[Cassidy]

No it's reality. Tier 1 managers like Pep and Mourinho without loads of money and open cheque book will do feck all. Pep needed +250m to win the league even though he's definitely the best manager in the world now by a country mile ahead of the rest. He didn't even challenge for the league in his first season and won nothing, and he only developed Sterling from the players he inherited.

Conte won the league on his first season and didn't stop bitching about the board not supporting him and throwing digs at them in his whole second season. He made them the direct reason for his second season failure.

That's the reality of the tier 1 managers and if we're not able to offer open cheque book to them then we should have gone Liverpool route and hired someone like Klopp and let him build the squad on certain philosophy in 3-4 years. You don't hire tier 1 managers for long term and developing youth, you hire them when you have a full squad and want to start winning now.

Like I said they can spend money, but are you going to say that Pep didn't improve/develop players?

And Conte didn't improve any players and develop strategy to get the most of the players in the squad to win the title. Yes he kicked up a fuss after not being backed by the board but I didn't say they don't spend in my post did I?

Not exactly true is it? Spending money doesn't mean you don't develop players or make them better and many of the manager you mentioned do.

Spending money doesn't mean you don't develop players or have strategies to get the most out of the squad you have.

Tier 1 manager both spend and improve players, thats what make them tier one, well the best ones anyway. Jose no longer does the improvement part, well at United anyway.

 

[Cassidy]

Liverpool is only Klopp's second decent side he gets to manage, and he has to compete with moneybags like City, Chelsea and us and has got his teams to two CL finals. If he isn't tier 1, then Guardiola, Conte and Mourinho aren't too, seeing as neither of them won UCL for quite a bit of time.

Like I said hes on his way to tier 1, but you have to earn the badge first buy winning a lot of major trophies. If he doesn't win anything at Liverpool why should he be considered tier 1. I like Klopp as a manager but hes lost so many finals maybe he isn't tier 1, maybe he is a bottler, time will tell. I think he will make it soon enough.

 

[roonster09]

Wonder if Chelsea fans still feel the same?

 

[el3mel]

Like I said they can spend money, but are you going to say that Pep didn't improve/develop players?

And Conte didn't improve any players and develop strategy to get the most of the players in the squad to win the title. Yes he kicked up a fuss after not being backed by the board but I didn't say they don't spend in my post did I?



Spending money doesn't mean you don't develop players or have strategies to get the most out of the squad you have.

Tier 1 manager both spend and improve players, thats what make them tier one, well the best ones anyway. Jose no longer does the improvement part, well at United anyway.

Pretty sure only player Pep has improved in the City side he inherited was Sterling. The rest were already top players when he got them or were his signings that all costed +50m.

The type of managers you're talking about, I think the only who fits it is Fergie imo. He's the only tier 1 who could win league titles while introducing new blood in the squad. The rest for me have been cheque book managers. Mourinho is no different. No one would ever complement him of developing youth. He's complemented only for winning.

 

[Cloud7]

This. I mean at how many clubs do we see players causing trouble? The players care about their careers too and when a manager/coach helps most of the team, there won't be any trouble at all, even if one individual is causing trouble, he'd be forced to shut up or leave(like Sanchez in his last season at Arsenal). It only goes tits up when the manager isn't helping most of the team. That's when the dressing room gets split and players start causing troubles.

I actually made a thread about this, that largely went ignored, asking if there were any actual examples of player power being a bad thing at a top club.

The examples people always use are “we don’t want to be a Chelsea or Real Madrid where the players can get a manager fired” but then, it hasn’t gone badly for either of those clubs, has it?

All you ever hear is “player power is bad” but, does anyone have an actual reason why it is bad? Some kind of proof that it can derail a top club?

 

[Cassidy]

Pretty sure only player Pep has improved in the City side he inherited was Sterling. The rest were already top players when he got them or were his signings that all costed +50m.

The type of managers you're talking about, I think the only who fits it is Fergie imo. He's the only tier 1 who could win league titles while introducing new blood in the squad. The rest for me have been cheque book managers. Mourinho is no different. No one would ever complement him of developing youth. He's complemented only for winning.

Who is talking only of inherited?

Again I will repeat. Tier 1 managers both spend money and improve players (both inherited and bought), they also put strategy in place to get the best out of players (both inherited and bought).

What Jose is doing at United right now is signing players, not getting the best out of them, and then demanding new signings. Cheque book over coaching

 

[el3mel]

Who is talking only of inherited?

Again I will repeat. Tier 1 managers both spend money and improve players (both inherited and bought), they also put strategy in place to get the best out of players (both inherited and bought).

What Jose is doing at United right now is signing players, not getting the best out of them, and then demanding new signings

You don't pay 50-60m for players to be developed.

 

[redIndianDevil]

I actually made a thread about this, that largely went ignored, asking if there were any actual examples of player power being a bad thing at a top club.

The examples people always use are “we don’t want to be a Chelsea or Real Madrid where the players can get a manager fired” but then, it hasn’t gone badly for either of those clubs, has it?

All you ever hear is “player power is bad” but, does anyone have an actual reason why it is bad? Some kind of proof that it can derail a top club?

It's not a thing at all. Once players get to know that the manager is a moron and is not helping them at all, what's the point of knuckling under the said guy? It's just that we have had SAF for so long, that people are placing the next managers in the same pedestal as SAF. Our fanbase has to get with the times, there won't be any other SAF.

 

[Cassidy]

You don't pay 50-60m for players to be developed.

Guess we shouldn't have bought Martial then

 

[Greck]

Wonder if Chelsea fans still feel the same?

They won't admit but they were also behind the decision to sell KDB. They bought the line of reason that he wasn't a fighter, didn't work hard and all the other fancy buzzwords we hear now. Jose's charisma is akin to hypnosis

 

[el3mel]

Guess we shouldn't have bought Martial then

He costed 37m and we were still mocked for the price.

If I'm paying 50-60m for a player, I'm expecting someone to slot in immediately and create difference. Point of development is to pay less and get value for that. Pay for pennies and end up having a top players few years later without much spending on him, not spending loads on him from the start.

 

[bosnian_red]

I feel like there's an issue in the first place if Pogba saying that Manchester United should attack against Wolves is seen as a problem/anti Mourinho and worthy of him being stripped of captaincy...

 

[Hammondo]

It is very easy to say we should attack, attack, attack. Its very popular but its not always reality, it doesn't take anything into consideration and it hides away from the problems we have when we do that.

 

[Canagel]

I feel like there's an issue in the first place if Pogba saying that Manchester United should attack against Wolves is seen as a problem/anti Mourinho and worthy of him being stripped of captaincy...

Pogba spoke the truth but the truth hurts. Mourinho stripping him of the captaincy is just petty. He knows what Pogba said was right.

 

[Cassidy]

He costed 37m and we were still mocked for the price.

If I'm paying 50-60m for a player, I'm expecting someone to slot in immediately and create difference. Point of development is to pay less and get value for that. Pay for pennies and end up having a top players few years later without much spending on him, not spending loads on him from the start.

I don't here anyone mocking Martial fee these days, and with the addons it could be more.

Money these days in transfers means thats not the case, you think Fred isn't going to have to be improved/developed here?
Richarlison just cost Everton 50m, you think he isn't going to need to be developed?

And even then when you buy a 50/60m players you still have to develop them so that they can go on to be a 100m player. Thats what tier 1 manager do especially at tier 1 clubs.

It cannot be acceptable that you just spend money on players, none of them improve or you don't get the best out of any of them, and then you just continue replacing them