Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"

I actually like it when players speak up like this. I think there is a serious disconnect between parts of the team and Mourinho. I don’t believe most of your players are buying into his philosophy. Which I actually get. You have plenty really good attacking players who are basically going to waste.
Sanchez (he was a world beater on here, not too long ago), Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Pogba are all pretty good players with loads of potential. All have their strengths in a constructive attacking set up. The football Miurinho is playing, is like the antithesis to what you should actually be playing like with those guys.
He’s been with you for years, he’s not progressing, he’s not improving your players, the majority of the fans seem unhappy with your style and your losing quite a bit of appeal to other players.
Time to sack Jose and move on. Pogba is right. He failed to adapt. It happens all the time. You guys should really stop to stubbornly keep your managers, just for the sake of it.

I find it shocking, by the way, how he gets defended. He can’t be blamed for what the players do is a popular argument on here. I’m just wondering, what can he be blamed for then? It’s his job to buy those guys (he’s got a say in it at least), to organize them, to coach them and to chose a set up, that allows them to play to their strengths. He’s basically failing at every part of this. There is hardly an area of his job, where he is performing up to expectations.

I don’t think Pogba wants out. I think he wants to succeed with you guys. He just doesn’t believe this can be done with your current coach. I get why many people don’t like public criticism like this. But I donunderstand it, if it’s a last resort kind of thing. If Pogba has voiced his criticism before and was ignored, I wouldn’t mind him speeding up. It means that he cares.

And whoever is happy to defend Mourinho should seriously take a look at his ambitions and what club he’s supporting. You’re Manchester United ffs. You guys love to claim to be the biggest club there is. You should act like it and play like it. Mourinho would’ve have been gone at any other ambitious club out there.
 
Posh Red said:
Well he did sign Lukaku as our main centre forward and seems reluctant to give any other player a chance there. So in a way, yes, it is the managers fault as he has failed to secure a prolific striker during his time here.
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Oh shut up ffs!

That means it's Fergie's fault for Arsenal beating us 2-0 in the FA cup in 2003 because Giggs missed an open goal

Absolute state
 
HTG said:
I actually like it when players speak up like this. I think there is a serious disconnect between parts of the team and Mourinho. I don’t believe most of your players are buying into his philosophy. Which I actually get. You have plenty really good attacking players who are basically going to waste.
Sanchez (he was a world beater on here, not too long ago), Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Pogba are all pretty good players with loads of potential. All have their strengths in a constructive attacking set up. The football Miurinho is playing, is like the antithesis to what you should actually be playing like with those guys.
He’s been with you for years, he’s not progressing, he’s not improving your players, the majority of the fans seem unhappy with your style and your losing quite a bit of appeal to other players.
Time to sack Jose and move on. Pogba is right. He failed to adapt. It happens all the time. You guys should really stop to stubbornly keep your managers, just for the sake of it.

I find it shocking, by the way, how he gets defended. He can’t be blamed for what the players do is a popular argument on here. I’m just wondering, what can he be blamed for then? It’s his job to buy those guys (he’s got a say in it at least), to organize them, to coach them and to chose a set up, that allows them to play to their strengths. He’s basically failing at every part of this. There is hardly an area of his job, where he is performing up to expectations.

I don’t think Pogba wants out. I think he wants to succeed with you guys. He just doesn’t believe this can be done with your current coach. I get why many people don’t like public criticism like this. But I donunderstand it, if it’s a last resort kind of thing. If Pogba has voiced his criticism before and was ignored, I wouldn’t mind him speeding up. It means that he cares.

And whoever is happy to defend Mourinho should seriously take a look at his ambitions and what club he’s supporting. You’re Manchester United ffs. You guys love to claim to be the biggest club there is. You should act like it and play like it. Mourinho would’ve have been gone at any other ambitious club out there.
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We're currently not an ambitious club though...

That's just a fact.

"Our on field performances don't affect what we can do off it" is basically the quote...
 
.Rossi said:
We're currently not an ambitious club though...

That's just a fact.

"Our on field performances don't affect what we can do off it" is basically the quote...
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And that‘s quite sad. You guys are basically made of money and you’re doing shit with it. If I was a fan of yours, I’d be absolutely fuming.
 
Cloud7 said:
I’ve repeated my views on this ad nauseum. Both players are managers are employees of the club, neither of them are untouchable. If a manager constantly throws his players under the bus in public, players are well within their rights to do the same, especially when our manager constantly weaves a narrative that everything is the fault of the players and the club CEO, the players have a right to make their views known as well.
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Your view does not take into account the different roles that manager and player have as employees at the club.

The manager's job is to create a vision of how a team plays, and what is expected of each player for this to work, and train them to execute this. Then he is to select the players based on how well they can execute his vision. Evaluating players and giving feedback, preferably in private, is part of histhe job.

A players job is to utilize his skill set to execute the manager's vision on the pitch. No feedback is required unless he is specifically asked by the manager.

I don't condone Mourinho's public criticism of players, but they are not equals in the club hierarchy, so public criticism from a player is never acceptable. You just obviously dislike Mourinho enough to lose objectivity and disregard how damaging it is for the dressing room and the club image.
 
HTG said:
And that‘s quite sad. You guys are basically made of money and you’re doing shit with it. If I was a fan of yours, I’d be absolutely fuming.
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I am.

Some of us realise that the troubles at the club go way beyond the players and the manager.
Some of us realise that it's not just fixed by hiring "The Poch" or Tuchel or whomever else, other shit needs to be done!

Darmian for example was on the cusp of a move back to Italy in the summer. The board wanted more money, deal fell through so where was he on Saturday? Back in Italy, doing nothing!

It's an utter mess
 
HTG said:
And that‘s quite sad. You guys are basically made of money and you’re doing shit with it. If I was a fan of yours, I’d be absolutely fuming.
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quotes like that enrage me, and wonder where my club has gone. These people are printing money from Fergusons dynasty, and make so much they can fail over and over, and not answer for it. The signings, wages and lack of thought are a disgrace
 
clarkydaz said:
quotes like that enrage me, and wonder where my club has gone. These people are printing money from Fergusons dynasty, and make so much they can fail over and over, and not answer for it. The signings, wages and lack of thought are a disgrace
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Won't last forever...

Another season or two in the relative wilderness and shit properly hits the fan with regards the financial and marketing side of things.
 
RedSky said:
Indeed. Lukaku on 25% conversion rate is pretty decent. Salah is on 12%, Aguero on 12.9%, Sterling on 20%, Mane on 25%. The problem isn't Lukaku.

Conversion Rate This Season in League:

Chris Smalling - 50.0%
Lukaku - 25.0%
Fred - 14.3%
Paul Pogba - 11.8%
Luke Shaw - 11.1%
Everyone Else - 0.0%

However, if we're looking at chances created then look at the below. Last season in the League:

Manchester City - 665 Shots (265 on target, 106 goals)
Liverpool - 638 Shots (233 on target, 84 goals)
Manchester United - 512 shots (178 on target, 68 goals)

City had 153 more shots than us and 87 more shots on target.
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What a post. Lukaku haters need to look at this and shut the feck up.
 
.Rossi said:
I am.

Some of us realise that the troubles at the club go way beyond the players and the manager.
Some of us realise that it's not just fixed by hiring "The Poch" or Tuchel or whomever else, other shit needs to be done!

Darmian for example was on the cusp of a move back to Italy in the summer. The board wanted more money, deal fell through so where was he on Saturday? Back in Italy, doing nothing!

It's an utter mess
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The coaches you hired in Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho were proof of a complete lack of football acumen by your board. You can’t go from classical kick and rush to a Dutch 433 based on possessional football to Mourinho parking the bus. That’s so damn clueless. That shit can’t work. The second you hire a new coach, he has to tear down everything the guy before him build up. You should have gotten someone who could build on the foundation that Van Gaal build. Firing him was the right thing to do. But going in a completely different direction afterwards was insane.
 
HTG said:
The coaches you hired in Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho were proof of a complete lack of football acumen by your board. You can’t go from classical kick and rush to a Dutch 433 based on possessional football to Mourinho parking the bus. That’s so damn clueless. That shit can’t work. The second you hire a new coach, he has to tear down everything the guy before him build up. You should have gotten someone who could build on the foundation that Van Gaal build. Firing him was the right thing to do. But going in a completely different direction afterwards was insane.
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Other than commercial deals, everything Ed Woodward touches turns to shite. Three failed managers on his watch - we wait with bated breath to find out who disaster #4 is going to be.
 
HTG said:
The coaches you hired in Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho were proof of a complete lack of football acumen by your board. You can’t go from classical kick and rush to a Dutch 433 based on possessional football to Mourinho parking the bus. That’s so damn clueless. That shit can’t work. The second you hire a new coach, he has to tear down everything the guy before him build up. You should have gotten someone who could build on the foundation that Van Gaal build. Firing him was the right thing to do. But going in a completely different direction afterwards was insane.
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They don't care about football or anything based on our history or achievements.

It's too dramatic to say we're going to end up like Leeds United. Way too dramatic!
However, the sad case of AC Milan is quite a possibility
 
.Rossi said:
They don't care about football or anything based on our history or achievements.

It's too dramatic to say we're going to end up like Leeds United. Way too dramatic!
However, the sad case of AC Milan is quite a possibility
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I wouldn’t say that’s inevitably where you're headed, but it is possible. Much more realistic would be a Liverpool like situation, as much as you guys hate that comparison.
Everything could turn out great as well. But for that to happen, you need to get some player purchases and especially the next coach right. You can’t live off of being United forever. I think the fanbase needs to put on more pressure. The way you play would not be tolerated in Madrid, Barcelona, Munich and so on.
 
HTG said:
I wouldn’t say that’s inevitably where you're headed, but it is possible. Much more realistic would be a Liverpool like situation, as much as you guys hate that comparison.
Everything could turn out great as well. But for that to happen, you need to get some player purchases and especially the next coach right. You can’t live off of being United forever. I think the fanbase needs to put on more pressure. The way you play would not be tolerated in Madrid, Barcelona, Munich and so on.
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This is a fair point, but I like the fact our fans are tolerant to be honest.
 
Jaqen H'ghar said:
Nah, 2 weeks salary every time he makes a dig would see an end to this nonsense.

It's not about supporting Mourinho. That kind of attitude should not be tolerated from any player. We've had players leaking anonymously to the press before, but openly criticizing the manager is on another level. So, what if we bring in Zidane or Poch and he doesn't like their methods is it still OK to undermine them in the press?
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Agree with this. It’s a sad state of affairs that a lot of posters in this thread are not more angry. Not because what Pogba saying is incorrect. He is. The malaise we so call offence is plain for all to see. What is sad to me is that a player (despite the obvious talent but lack of consisten production) has chosen again to disrespect the manager in such a public way. Some of the Pogba defenders here will argue he is not saying anything different from what all of us can see but these comments are too cutting, too calculating to be interpreted as anything other than intentional and deliberate. Pogba well knows the impact this will have on the journalists and they will invariably ask more questions of Mou at the next manager’s conference.

What is Mou going to say? Say again “you will have to ask Pogba”? Mou’s position has been shown to be weak through the past weeks with the Ed. Whether Pogba is genuinely pushing for a change in tactics, riling Mou up or agitating for a move is irrelevant. He should not be airing dirty laundry like this.

I though Mou was the best option available after LVG’s sacking but he just doesn’t seem a good fit with United. I admit it. That said, a player essentially challenging the manager of United like this is unacceptable.
 
Cassidy said:
This is a fair point
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And it’s important. The fans are basically the only people able to hold those in power accountable. Play the way you guys do in Madrid and all you’d see would be white handkerchiefs. People like to make fun of this, but that’s part of why they keep winning. They don’t tolerate anything else. Dire football while winning is one thing. But dire football without winning is inexcusable.
 
HTG said:
I wouldn’t say that’s inevitably where you're headed, but it is possible. Much more realistic would be a Liverpool like situation, as much as you guys hate that comparison.
Everything could turn out great as well. But for that to happen, you need to get some player purchases and especially the next coach right. You can’t live off of being United forever. I think the fanbase needs to put on more pressure. The way you play would not be tolerated in Madrid, Barcelona, Munich and so on.
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Going to be hard to heard in Florida I'm afraid
 
Esquire said:
Agree with this. It’s a sad state of affairs that a lot of posters in this thread are not more angry. Not because what Pogba saying is incorrect. He is. The malaise we so call offence is plain for all to see. What is sad to me is that a player (despite the obvious talent but lack of consisten production) has chosen again to disrespect the manager in such a public way. Some of the Pogba defenders here will argue he is not saying anything different from what all of us can see but these comments are too cutting, too calculating to be interpreted as anything other than intentional and deliberate. Pogba well knows the impact this will have on the journalists and they will invariably ask more questions of Mou at the next manager’s conference.

What is Mou going to say? Say again “you will have to ask Pogba”? Mou’s position has been shown to be weak through the past weeks with the Ed. Whether Pogba is genuinely pushing for a change in tactics, riling Mou up or agitating for a move is irrelevant. He should not be airing dirty laundry like this.

I though Mou was the best option available after LVG’s sacking but he just doesn’t seem a good fit with United. I admit it. That said, a player essentially challenging the manager of United like this is unacceptable.
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He walked out on us before, first chance he gets and he's going to do it again
 
.Rossi said:
Going to be hard to heard in Florida I'm afraid
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I get that. Can be hard for me to be heard in Munich, too. In the end it’s the matchgoing fans who whield all the power. They should start to worry more about what they are seeing, instead of being afraid to be perceived as a sacking club or something like that.
 
RedSky said:
Pogbas not wrong, I mean we all know it. Problem is that Pogba is himself guilty of bad finishing. He does at least score goals (although some of them are pens), and he's our 2nd highest creative player.

To put our attack into perspective, this Calendar Year we've played 23 PL Games and our top scorers read as follows:

Lukaku - 10 goals - 24.4% CR
Pogba - 5 goals - 8.5% CR
Smalling - 4 goals - 50.0% CR
Rashford - 3 goals - 17.6% CR
Martial - 3 goals - 11.1% CR
Sanchez - 2 goals - 7.1% CR
Lingard - 2 goals - 4.8% CR
Everyone else is 1 or 0.

CR = Conversion Rate

Yes, Smalling is our 3rd highest goal scorer.
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Absolutely damning.
 
HTG said:
I get that. Can be hard for me to be heard in Munich, too. In the end it’s the matchgoing fans who whield all the power. They should start to worry more about what they are seeing, instead of being afraid to be perceived as a sacking club or something like that.
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That's my point though. The owners are in Florida. They're not in the stadium. They won't know anything and anyone who thinks Arnold or Woodward would tell them are seriously misguided.

The only time they will pay attention is when revenue drops
 
HTG said:
I actually like it when players speak up like this. I think there is a serious disconnect between parts of the team and Mourinho. I don’t believe most of your players are buying into his philosophy. Which I actually get. You have plenty really good attacking players who are basically going to waste.
Sanchez (he was a world beater on here, not too long ago), Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Pogba are all pretty good players with loads of potential. All have their strengths in a constructive attacking set up. The football Miurinho is playing, is like the antithesis to what you should actually be playing like with those guys.
He’s been with you for years, he’s not progressing, he’s not improving your players, the majority of the fans seem unhappy with your style and your losing quite a bit of appeal to other players.
Time to sack Jose and move on. Pogba is right. He failed to adapt. It happens all the time. You guys should really stop to stubbornly keep your managers, just for the sake of it.

I find it shocking, by the way, how he gets defended. He can’t be blamed for what the players do is a popular argument on here. I’m just wondering, what can he be blamed for then? It’s his job to buy those guys (he’s got a say in it at least), to organize them, to coach them and to chose a set up, that allows them to play to their strengths. He’s basically failing at every part of this. There is hardly an area of his job, where he is performing up to expectations.

I don’t think Pogba wants out. I think he wants to succeed with you guys. He just doesn’t believe this can be done with your current coach. I get why many people don’t like public criticism like this. But I donunderstand it, if it’s a last resort kind of thing. If Pogba has voiced his criticism before and was ignored, I wouldn’t mind him speeding up. It means that he cares.

And whoever is happy to defend Mourinho should seriously take a look at his ambitions and what club he’s supporting. You’re Manchester United ffs. You guys love to claim to be the biggest club there is. You should act like it and play like it. Mourinho would’ve have been gone at any other ambitious club out there.
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I cannot disagree with one word of that my friend. Well said!
 
RedSky said:
Pogbas not wrong, I mean we all know it. Problem is that Pogba is himself guilty of bad finishing. He does at least score goals (although some of them are pens), and he's our 2nd highest creative player.

To put our attack into perspective, this Calendar Year we've played 23 PL Games and our top scorers read as follows:

Lukaku - 10 goals - 24.4% CR
Pogba - 5 goals - 8.5% CR
Smalling - 4 goals - 50.0% CR
Rashford - 3 goals - 17.6% CR
Martial - 3 goals - 11.1% CR
Sanchez - 2 goals - 7.1% CR
Lingard - 2 goals - 4.8% CR
Everyone else is 1 or 0.

CR = Conversion Rate

Yes, Smalling is our 3rd highest goal scorer.
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This table tells me that Smalling is wasted in defence and needs to be played upfront.
 
Devil may care said:
I think ever since we lost Ronaldo there's been this fear that we can't keep hold of big superstar players, at least the ones that aren't british, but Pogba grew up in the Academy and I think if we became an attractive side that at was at least in the mix to challenge for the two big trophies, he'd be happy to stay.
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It's not that I am afraid that we will lose him, I just think there's too much incompetence at the club currently, that prevents us from being more successful.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I couldn’t give a bollox about strikers creating chances for themselves. If you think Lukaku failing to convert chances was a key factor in us dropping points at the weekend then you weren’t paying attention.
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He creates nothing for himself or others. His passing in the final 3rd in non existent and his touch is horrendous. His technical ability is just so poor.
 
The lad has been listening it seems. I’m all got it if we had a proper defence, two genuine full backs with pace and at least one centre half that can head and lead the line. Smalling is signing a years extension to his contract. Jose should let Carrick look after the team on Tuesday night.
 
Football has been changing for the last decade and attacking football now beats defensive strategies. Italian teams have appeared in CL Semi Finals and Finals but not won since Inter. Juventus have tried to change their policy but you still don't see many italian teams scoring 5 or 6.

Pogba intentions are right but he still gave the ball which resulted in the equaliser at the weekend, having said that they boy is trying to create, play risk football and certainly is looking to increase his goals and assists.

Our problem is however forcing the other team back and it's really hard to do in Jose System. We need a radical change of formation and strategy and need a genuine pacey left footed right winger to play narrow in a 3 and be more of goal threat or against some teams just go 442 either in a diamond or traditional formation. We absolutely need 2 strikers, one CFW and a left footed Right winger. Only then when Lukaku who takes far too much stick on here has genuine competition for the No 9 role will the team to start to score more goals.

January window I would go for Douglas Costa and Icardi both are available for 170M, get rid of Sanchez to the Chinese or PSG and Mata probably both for about 70M and give Pogba the armband and a new contract.

This would be a risk yes but we would have far more options. Letting Rashford and Martial fight out for the left side and Lingard be back up to Costa. We could play

Martial Icardi Lukaku for physical teams and go 442 against smaller teans with Rashford Icardi Lukaku and Costa to really go after these teams and start scaring them at Old Trafford again!

I guess a fan can dream?
 
It's harder to sustain attacks when one of your centre midfielders doesn't seem to think its part of his job to win the ball back after losing it time after time.
 
goin4glory said:
He creates nothing for himself or others. His passing in the final 3rd in non existent and his touch is horrendous. His technical ability is just so poor.
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Not entirely true.

Lukaku made 16 key passes since the start of the year, that's a key pass every 95.4mins. Granted it's not great but he is our top scorer (despite Pogba and Lingard both shooting more than him). His touch isn't too bad either, Rashford, Pogba, Lingard, Martial, Sanchez and Fellaini give the ball away more often than Lukaku. He's not easily dispossessed either. Granted his first touch isn't great at times but it doesn't lead to giving the ball away.

My big issue is if you look at the below, each player has a strength and a weakness. Pogba gets in the top 3 in most of them but two of them are negatives. Lukaku might be guilty of not shooting enough, while Lingard shoots way too often. Lingard protects the ball well (his passing stats are good as well) but he doesn't really do enough with the ball. Sanchez shooting is abysmal but at least he's creating chances for us, but he also gets dispossessed. There's no attacking player there that looks good, I mean Rashford doesn't shoot enough but when he does it's on target, while Martial barely hits the target (26% of his shots are on target).

Dispossessed:
Anthony Martial - every 30.3mins
Alexis Sánchez - every 31.2mins
Paul Pogba - every 40.2mins
Marcus Rashford - every 56.6mins
Romelu Lukaku - every 58.7mins
Jesse Lingard - every 78.4mins

Unsuccessful Touches:
Marcus Rashford - every 21.9mins
Paul Pogba - every 29.8mins
Jesse Lingard - every 31.7mins
Anthony Martial - every 34.0mins
Alexis Sánchez - every 37.1mins
Romelu Lukaku - every 58.7mins

Taking a Shot:
Paul Pogba - every 29.3mins
Anthony Martial - every 31.4mins
Jesse Lingard - every 31.7mins
Romelu Lukaku - every 37.2mins
Marcus Rashford - every 39.9mins
Alexis Sánchez - every 49.1mins

Shot on Target:
Romelu Lukaku - every 63.6mins
Marcus Rashford - every 84.9mins
Paul Pogba - every 90.9mins
Jesse Lingard - every 102.5mins
Alexis Sánchez - every 105.7mins
Anthony Martial - every 121.3mins

Scoring a Goal:
Romelu Lukaku - every 152.7mins
Marcus Rashford - every 226.3mins
Anthony Martial - every 283.0mins
Paul Pogba - every 345.4mins
Jesse Lingard - every 666.5mins
Alexis Sánchez - every 687.0mins

Making a Key Pass:
Alexis Sánchez - every 37.1mins
Anthony Martial - every 49.9mins
Paul Pogba - every 55.7mins
Jesse Lingard - every 83.3mins
Romelu Lukaku - every 95.4mins
Marcus Rashford - every 169.8mins
 
HTG said:
I actually like it when players speak up like this. I think there is a serious disconnect between parts of the team and Mourinho. I don’t believe most of your players are buying into his philosophy. Which I actually get. You have plenty really good attacking players who are basically going to waste.
Sanchez (he was a world beater on here, not too long ago), Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Pogba are all pretty good players with loads of potential. All have their strengths in a constructive attacking set up. The football Miurinho is playing, is like the antithesis to what you should actually be playing like with those guys.
He’s been with you for years, he’s not progressing, he’s not improving your players, the majority of the fans seem unhappy with your style and your losing quite a bit of appeal to other players.
Time to sack Jose and move on. Pogba is right. He failed to adapt. It happens all the time. You guys should really stop to stubbornly keep your managers, just for the sake of it.

I find it shocking, by the way, how he gets defended. He can’t be blamed for what the players do is a popular argument on here. I’m just wondering, what can he be blamed for then? It’s his job to buy those guys (he’s got a say in it at least), to organize them, to coach them and to chose a set up, that allows them to play to their strengths. He’s basically failing at every part of this. There is hardly an area of his job, where he is performing up to expectations.

I don’t think Pogba wants out. I think he wants to succeed with you guys. He just doesn’t believe this can be done with your current coach. I get why many people don’t like public criticism like this. But I donunderstand it, if it’s a last resort kind of thing. If Pogba has voiced his criticism before and was ignored, I wouldn’t mind him speeding up. It means that he cares.

And whoever is happy to defend Mourinho should seriously take a look at his ambitions and what club he’s supporting. You’re Manchester United ffs. You guys love to claim to be the biggest club there is. You should act like it and play like it. Mourinho would’ve have been gone at any other ambitious club out there.
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.Rossi said:
Oh shut up ffs!

That means it's Fergie's fault for Arsenal beating us 2-0 in the FA cup in 2003 because Giggs missed an open goal

Absolute state
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What a pathetic counter argument to a valid observation. Whats that got to do with the fact Lukaku doesnt get dropped regardless of how poor he is?
 
bucky said:
It's not that I am afraid that we will lose him, I just think there's too much incompetence at the club currently, that prevents us from being more successful.
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The problem is that Pogba only works well when he’s allowed a large free role and the team isn’t dependent on his production to win
 
At first its uncomfortable to hear a player say this sort of thing clearly aimed at the manager, but Jose's fostered this blame culture we have.

Everybody is fair game it seems, so why shouldn't Pogba dish it out regardless of his own responsibilities or faults?
 
PTSTSL said:
At first its uncomfortable to hear a player say this sort of thing clearly aimed at the manager, but Jose's fostered this blame culture we have.

Everybody is fair game it seems, so why shouldn't Pogba dish it out regardless of his own responsibilities or faults?
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Ok. So when the next manager doesn't work and Pogba throws away his tools and start giving interviews about how "I'm not the manage but...", it's all good right?
 
Makes no difference if we attack when our attackers aren’t actually that good.
 
wolvored said:
What a pathetic counter argument to a valid observation. Whats that got to do with the fact Lukaku doesnt get dropped regardless of how poor he is?
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That wasn't the argument I responded to was it?!

So it's now a valid argument that it's Mourinho's fault for him missing an open goal because he bought him and he's not prolific. He's the one that's at fault for messing up an open goal chance? Jose Mourinho? The guy on the touchline, who didn't miss the chance?

Have a f**king day off
 
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