I'm not buying that too tbh. Most coaches would kill to have a frontline of Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, Lingard and Lukaku. That's a lot of pace and power. And Martial has the trickery.
Pogba: "We Should Attack, Attack, Attack!"
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I must admit that I laughed hard over this.
Funny man.
But, I will defend Jose on this.
Pogba needs to talk positively. I know that he wanted to leave and he was told that he can't, but at this stage, given that he is here for another season, he should get his head down, put in a POTY performance for the season and look to leave next Summer.
If Pogba wants to focus on attack, then he should speak with Jose directly, even if it means he nags Jose into listening to him, then so be it.
Are suggesting that our coaches are telling these players to play badly or telling them not to shoot on target or telling them not to score goals?
Please expand on your answer.
Jury is still very much out on the bolded ones.
The rest, two aren't good enough. The other, that's just an utter mystery
Because that's exactly what he's done under Allegri, Conte and Deschamps. Wake up!
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This is year 3 under a horrendously outdated man management style. Pogba's spitting facts. With the club in a structural disarray, there needs to be a catalyst for change wherever it may come from. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
I'm sure as hell they won't kill for Lingard.
This!
You can blame Mourinho for a lot (Some are blaming him for Lukaku missing an open goal ffs the absolute know nowts
) but, I've yet to hear a reasonable explanation for Sanchez's form. It is truly baffling.Wouldn't say we exactly lack pure, individual quality but we certainly lack decision-making in the attacking third. Used to be the best in Europe at that and clinical finishing to boot which made for a lethal combination. We often didn't perform against lesser sides only to create and score at crucial moments. Now it seems we miss our chances and/or concede at key points.
I remember when you guys were beaten by PSG 3-0 the CEO and president said 'this isn't Bayern Munich' and Ancelotti was swiftly sacked. I wish our board was like this. All they care about is the profits.
Mourinho has had no issue publicly calling out players, throwing them under the bus and using press conferences to control the narrative/perceptions around individuals so no im not surprised that some would send messages back through the same means. I'm not condoning it but I won't condemn it either.
Most of our attacking players look completely different propositions for their NT (Lukaku, Rashford, Pogba, even Lingard) so I'm not buying the 'players not good enough' argument. Footballers have strengths and weaknesses, its for the manager to devise a system that accentuates one and minimises the other surely. I have been a huge critic of Pogba in the past, but coming in to Mourinho's third season and our build-up play still looks like 11 guys who've just met each other for the first time. The most common criticism of our performances by Mou tends to be intensity, but even in the games we display plenty of it we look just as disjointed with a distinct lack of ideas or inventiveness - just with more 'intensity'. What is it that was so great about the Spurs game exactly? We were more motivated? Great. But we were still shit. There's a false equivalence being made between playing with intensity and playing good football, while the former obviously helps doing the latter, they're not the same thing.
Most of our attacking players look completely different propositions for their NT (Lukaku, Rashford, Pogba, even Lingard) so I'm not buying the 'players not good enough' argument. Footballers have strengths and weaknesses, its for the manager to devise a system that accentuates one and minimises the other surely. I have been a huge critic of Pogba in the past, but coming in to Mourinho's third season and our build-up play still looks like 11 guys who've just met each other for the first time. The most common criticism of our performances by Mou tends to be intensity, but even in the games we display plenty of it we look just as disjointed with a distinct lack of ideas or inventiveness - just with more 'intensity'. What is it that was so great about the Spurs game exactly? We were more motivated? Great. But we were still shit. There's a false equivalence being made between playing with intensity and playing good football, while the former obviously helps doing the latter, they're not the same thing.
Yes, because Pogba had the same power and reputation under Conte and Allegri....
Pogba shouldn't have made those comments, it's not his place. He is undermining the management of the team. When Mourinho was "spitting facts" on Pogba, he was told to stop criticizing his players in public. This constant chatter from Pogba is stale. He needs to shut up (along with Mourinho and do it on the pitch).
I'm not asking him to be the defender, midfielder and striker and I'm aware that the team is below par but he is not performing optimally in his role as a midfielder. Do your job and not Mourinho's or Woodward's.
If we allow this from Pogba we might get rid of Mourinho but I assure you this particular problem will pop up further down the line.
Which coaches are these then?
Pretty sure klopp, pep, sarri and poch wouldn’t chose any of them over what they have at their clubs
If you’re taking about managers like Dyche, Eddie Howe, Puel then yeah they’d take them. Like it or not our attackers really aren’t that good and are hugely overrated.
Jose can have no complaints.
I think that it's childish reasoning ( the "you did it first" rationale) and I'd expect more from grown men (and women) especially professionals.
Has it been posted that Pogba just tweeted something about people twisting his words?
It's just a throw away comment for feck sake. You have to work very hard to turn it into a dig at anyone.
I agree he should keep his mouth shut particularly when a daft bit of play from him costs us a goal/3 points, and part of the reason we can't attack effectively is because he doesn't always do the type of midfield job that enables us to, but he's no less right to talk gibberish on social media than anyone else does. It doesn't need to be turned into something more than that every single time. Give it a fecking break.
His social media outbursts are still extremely preferable to Rooney threatening to knock people out or whining about being forced to eat healthy food before games. Or Ferdinand trying to be some kind of showbiz king. Nobody cared then so why now with Pogba's actually far less annoying ramblings?
I agree he should keep his mouth shut particularly when a daft bit of play from him costs us a goal/3 points, and part of the reason we can't attack effectively is because he doesn't always do the type of midfield job that enables us to, but he's no less right to talk gibberish on social media than anyone else does. It doesn't need to be turned into something more than that every single time. Give it a fecking break.
His social media outbursts are still extremely preferable to Rooney threatening to knock people out or whining about being forced to eat healthy food before games. Or Ferdinand trying to be some kind of showbiz king. Nobody cared then so why now with Pogba's actually far less annoying ramblings?
I expect next tweet to include 'only god knows'...
Here it starts folks. All the Mirrors and Suns in the world will have a field day of rumors the upcoming days.
Who cares? If it’s not true then it’s not true.
You've now made two replies which suggest you are an immature person, who cannot engage with anyone who he does not share a common opinion. You can't even manage to articulate your opinion, which I can only assume means you have none.
Maybe, but then I am not entirely convinced the players elected Pogba to be spokesman past season ahead of say, Carrick. A player Jose made coach in the summer, and who is one of the last remnants of the our great sides under Fergies. Surely of the players wanted to put something across, they would have spoken with someone like Carrick.
Regardless though, Pogba shouldn't be going to the press about it. It achieves nothing except fuel the media rumour mill.
Martial and Rashford were two hot properties two years later. What has happened during that time to halt the progress to both?
He should reign it in, have respect and concentrate on what hes paid to do. The manager needs people he can trust, hes a disgrace Pogba off the field. Will never be a great.
A few of us raised this issue after our game against Watford. He tends to make those half-arsed attempts at dribbles after which he's barely arsed to atone for and rush back. Then we were called know-nowts as it's an apparently great sacrifice from him to release pressure from his team-mates and take the ball up the pitch. (It sometimes is tbf) It went with no punishment last time as we won but it did cost us this time. Needs to cut it because otherwise he's in top form and a joy to watch. Far from my favorite player these days but he does prove his worth week in week out. Long may it continue.
Can't argue with that, while we've had a few wins recently there is a general feeling of unesiness around the club right now, like a ticking timebomb.
I wouldn't go that far, but it definitely feels like if we don't improve quite a bit then Pogba will be off. Again, would love to be wrong on this.
He will be off if Jose stays next season, or if we don't qualify for CL even if we get a new manager in. But if we scrape CL and hire a new manager, especially if it's Zidane, he would probably stay.
Mourinho is 55 and when he does stuff like this people are defending him with "he is right tho", "hasn't said anything bad or false", "that's what you get with Mourinho and it's not what he really meant" but irony is when Pogba who's 25, follows his manager's example he gets condemned for it and is expected to be a bigger man by Mourinho's followers.
So the logic is to expect from a 25 year old Pogba to be a more grown and mature person than a 55 year old?
If Mourinho is sacked, Pogba simply cannot stay. He has made his intentions far too public now. Getting rid of a manager to appease a player is an incredibly dangerous precedent. Whether it's to do with Pogba or not is irrelevant, that will be the perception.
Pogba is the best outfield player at United and they are a much better team with him in the side. But, the club would be far better off without him.
You got that from what I said?
For information sake, I've asked the entire United body from the boardroom to the players to shut up and do their jobs and that's including Mourinho.
Mourinho, Pogba and Woodward are in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship. If one fails they all fail similar if one succeeds it increases the chances of success for the collective. I want United to succeed.
You got that from what I said?
For information sake, I've asked the entire United body from the boardroom to the players to shut up and do their jobs and that's including Mourinho.
Mourinho, Pogba and Woodward are in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship. If one fails they all fail similar if one succeeds it increases the chances of success for the collective. I want United to succeed.
Cynical green smiley or not, the point still stands.
Regarding that "asking the whole UTD body" have you been like that since the day one of ever since Pogba started hitting back through the media?
No cynicism here. I just found you funny and how you managed to overlook my point. I'm not putting this burden of expectation only on Pogba, it's the same for Mourinho. Yes, from day one, I have wanted Mourinho to say less and let his work do the talking. Especially because we know that the English sports media are the way they are .... they spin and misinterpret to sell papers. Don't give them anything!
On the subject of poorly performing players, it’s gonna be hard for anyone to look good if the plan by the manager is to have them static, standing around waiting for the ball to come to them before they do something. Like how the feck is Alexis supposed to do anything when he’s bombarded by defenders and the closest player is 15-20 yards away. How can we look cohesive going forward if we’re attempting a 2 on 5 drill or crossing a ball to one of two players in a crowd of 5 or 6? It’s like Mournho expects players to pull some magic out of their ass. Poor management if so.
You wanted him to say less but not to cut the BS altogether?
I haven't overlooked your point at all but people defending Mourinho and condemning Pogba on this have double standards. When he's been the one doing it they defend him, but when someone else is doing it against Mourinho, then all should just stfu and be professionals…
Pogba is not the first player to ever come out with controversial (albeit true) points raised in the media during Mourinho's tenure.
Mourinho's constant negativity from the day one only breeds more negative which in turn only culminates in total meltdown in the 3rd season, hence the name.
3rd season syndrome is a thing, more often than not under Mourinho.
Again, so much is being blown out of proportion. It's reached a point where it's better he says nothing anymore. The worst thing for me, comes from the "fans" who are ready at his throat whenever he says things we've all been saying
Ok, so the biggest issue here is that you see me criticizing Pogba's comments as defense of Mourinho. It's not! My standards are clear. I know what my user name is but I'm not willfully blind to nonsense from anyone.
Well tbh those 2 posts from earlier gave me that impression, alongside 'childish behaviour' as well. Mix that with you username and people get confused
But hey I could be wrong it's still pretty early in the morning!
We should win, win, win against teams, teams, teams that are "smaller", "smaller", "smaller" than us.
Won't pity him when he leaves. Same mistake everywhere he goes. Needlessly antagonises the board/owners and the playing staff then the situation devolves into a circus. You'd expect a 55 year old to have the awareness to do things different when the same undesirable outcome keeps happening. Needs to brush up his power politics because he might still be in good stead with the owners if he didn't spend all summer treating his employer like his butler
Other than some loyalists, don't think many will miss him. With all due respect for all the trophies that he's won in his career and success he's had, football has moved on.