Pogba Future

Would you accept Dybala and Sandro for Pogba?

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Drawfull said:
Can't see him staying unfortunately. It'd be great if we've Ronaldo'd him to give us an extra season but gut and head says he's gone before end of the month.

For all the antics, comments and shit from his agent, I like him. I don't think we'll be monumentally fecked when he goes but it's got to be a big blow to Ole, based on pre-season prior to tonight. A shame.

edit: and then I read the excellent post by @Tom Cato - feck knows then.
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Thanks for the notice mate, always happy about positive feedback
 
Patrick08 said:
He played as an attacking midfielder in a 352 with Vidal and pirlo covering for his poor positional and defending skills, 10 is an only position he gets which can afford him that in our scenario.
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He certainly played a freer role at Juve, with less responsibility, but saying he played at the 10 is wrong, as is claiming that the 10 is the only position he can play. I watched a lot of that Juve side, and Pogba mostly patrolled the left midfield, from about the 30/35 yard line in his half all the way to the opponent's goal. He can fit into more tactical schemes than people claim he can (see France's World Cup run), it's just about him mentally committing to his role.
 
Patrick08 said:
He is not our best outfield player if we are continuing to use him as a deep lying pivot or even a LCM with Matic and Mctominay to play alongside him.

He is a tactical nightmare for managers especially with this style of football.

2 players can replace his creativity. I don't even care now if he stays he will be inconsistent poor and will be exposed through out the season.
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You really want to go into a new season with a midfield of McTominay, Lingard, and who .... Fred?

But hey we’d have 150m to spend in January.
 
rotherham_red said:
First off, we aren't getting Fernandes.

We haven't bought a replacement for Hereira, never mind Pogba. If Pogba was to go, we'd need two midfielders to be brought in even if Bruno was signed. The likelihood of that happening by August 8th is close to zero.
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Don't quote me without reading my posts.

Pogba will have agreed to stay quiet and behave until we get our guys, in return for a move this window. It's a managed exit. It's PR so that the fans don't shit themselves when he leaves and we haven't signed anyone.

Ed is not a good negotiator. He was quoted the price we paid for Maguire two months ago and spent two months dicking around. It seems to be his MO. He keeps trying to get a deal instead of just getting the players in on time. Maguire is too late, Fernandes, Dybala and all the rest (in and out) are too late. It's unfair on Ole to not have the players he needs in place and to get a full pre season.

It's unprofessional of Woodward + Judge to knock everyone else's plans backwards. The squad won't be settled now for a good few weeks. Which is the whole point of a pre-season.
 
Patrick08 said:
He is not our best outfield player if we are continuing to use him as a deep lying pivot or even a LCM with Matic and Mctominay to play alongside him.

He is a tactical nightmare for managers especially with this style of football.

2 players can replace his creativity. I don't even care now if he stays he will be inconsistent poor and will be exposed through out the season.
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He is our best outfield player, and this notion that he's completely incapable of playing in a two is nonsense. He is wildly inconsistent, and is something that i've called him out on, so i agree with you on that. And i'm far from his biggest fan, but he is our best player and that's evidenced by the fact that when you look at our team sheet today, our midfield is all of a sudden looking very average indeed.

So now you want TWO players to come in for him by the time the transfer window closes? No chance.

If he wants to go next season, then i'm all for it. But now? Nah, that would be crazy.
 
Fletchageddon said:
Don't quote me without reading my posts.

Pogba will have agreed to stay quiet and behave until we get our guys, in return for a move this window. It's a managed exit. It's PR so that the fans don't shit themselves when he leaves and we haven't signed anyone.

Ed is not a good negotiator. He was quoted the price we paid for Maguire two months ago and spent two months dicking around. It seems to be his MO. He keeps trying to get a deal instead of just getting the players in on time. Maguire is too late, Fernandes, Dybala and all the rest (in and out) are too late. It's unfair on Ole to not have the players he needs in place and to get a full pre season.

It's unprofessional of Woodward + Judge to knock everyone else's plans backwards. The squad won't be settled now for a good few weeks. Which is the whole point of a pre-season.
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:lol:

Pogba leaves = I'll delete my account
Pogba stays = you delete yours

Deal ?
 
Redcy said:
You really want to go into a new season with a midfield of McTominay, Lingard, and who .... Fred?

But hey we’d have 150m to spend in January.
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BusbyMalone said:
He is our best outfield player, and this notion that he's completely incapable of playing in a two is nonsense. He is wildly inconsistent, and is something that i've called him out on, so i agree with you on that. And i'm far from his biggest fan, but he is our best player and that's evidenced by the fact that when you look at our team sheet today, our midfield is all of a sudden looking very average indeed.

So now you want TWO players to come in for him by the time the transfer window closes? No chance.

If he wants to go next season, then i'm all for it. But now? Nah, that would be crazy.
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You need to check out my earlier posts. 160-180m while being replaced by 2 players this very season is the condition i'd be okay with him gone.

If we receive that kind of money ( which he is not worth it in my opinion) than we would have got a coutinho style deal .
 
Patrick08 said:
You need to check out my earlier posts. 160-180m while being replaced by 2 players this very season is the condition i'd be okay with him gone.
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I don’t see Us buying two players before Thursday unless it’s bruno and longstaff in which case this season is pretty much over before it starts
 
Tom Cato said:
He's stated ONCE that he's interested in a new challenge. His comment reads: "It could be a good time for a new challenge". - Quite frankly after that comment I don't think anyone has any right to call him out for anything. He's been professional, trains with the team and plays the friendlies. He's been one of the better players on the Man United tour.

Mino Raiola is the one that's stirring the hornets nest - Here are some of his comments during a recent media interview
  • “The player [Pogba] has done nothing wrong,” said the Italian.
  • “He has been respectful and professional in every way and always.
  • “The club has known his feeling for a long time.
  • “It is a shame other people only like to criticise without the right information, and I am also sorry that the club does not take any position against this.
  • “Hopefully there will be soon a satisfying solution for all parties.”

Mino Raiola is not a neutral party here. He takes a huge commision on transfers, and has every incentive in the world to frequently move his players along. He's a frequent nuance for the clubs who have to deal with him and he has about 0 qualms about putting player and club against each other to get his demands. Gianluigi Donnarumma is a famous example of this. The golden boy talent of Italian football, went from being a beloved talent, to getting caught in Raiolas negoitation web, threatened to leave the club over and over, and ended up signing a huge contract with Milan in 2017. Litearlly a teenager who made huge demands to the club, and in the end Raiola won through.

Oh and the Milan fans hate him and nickname him Dollarumma. Money is the only thing that matters to this guy. Yes its important to most players, but most of them have the decency to be reasonable in their demands.

Hell, our own Juan Mata helped launch Common Goal, a charity that donates proceeeds of the players salaries to a number of great causes: https://www.common-goal.org/ - There are some players who want to give back and not just fleece the clubs.

Pogba is Raiolas milk cow. He will not have a bigger payday for the next decade than Paul Pogba moving to Madrid. So of course he will do anything he can to move his client along. This was most likely the plan all along. Go to Manchester United, increase market value, move on again.

I am sure that Paul Pogba wants to play for Real Madrid. I am also sure that Paul Pogba wants to play for Manchester United if the team is actually capable of fighting for the titles the player covets. Champions League and league titles are obvious targets for players of this caliber. The team has had a great pre-season, the play has been lively, pacey, the youngsters are blooming, AWB has been a revelation and we just invested in the most expensive CB in the games history (I know some of you are skeptic but Im hyped and will make a post about that in the Maguire thread). I think it's just as likely that Pogba will see that good things are happening and that might be enough to make him want to explore a contract extension later this season.

The club has done great things on the market this window and really commited to the managers rebuild. If Paulo Dybala comes here on top of everything, even more incentive to stay. Dybala and Pogba are good buddies from Juventus. Paul and Romelu are also friends, so that point is a bit mute, but it doesnt really hurt does it.

There are also other factors to consider:

Real Madrid can't afford to buy Paul Pogba this window. Real Madrid are currently barely compliant with FFP and might need to off-load players before the Spanish window closes. Signing another jumbo expensive player would absolutely put them in transfer ban realm. Ed Woodward wants cash up front. Real Madrid no doubt want to structure a Pogba deal over 5 years. Real have to take out a bank loan if they want to cash out for Pogba, putting them into credit debt. The club is looking at a season with a lot of unanswered questions. The pre-season for Real Madrid has been terrible. James Rodriguez is still in the club. Gareth Bale is still in the club and looks likely to stay. Gareth Bale was supposed to be off-loaded to clear the budget but he's going to remain with the club this season and thats one expensive guy to have around.

Zinedine Zidan heads a club that is as famous for firing managers as it is for buying expensive players because they are expensive. If he gets off to a poor show of form in the season opener, he's already on unsteady ground. If he does not succeed initially, the clubs brass won't think twice before considering letting him resign by his own will, only to replace him with someone else like Mourinho, Pogbas best friend. He has a troop with players he does not want there in Bale and Rodriguez, but are forced to keep them for now. No English or Chinese club is taking Bale, and no one but Barcelona and PSG can afford his salary, and he's not going to any of those clubs. Real Madrid have already spent £277 million pounds on transfers, of which £172 million is net. Adding Paul Pogbas £160 million reported asking price (Some figures operates wirth £180 million but Ill go with the lower number) puts their net spend at £332 million.

The point of the FFP is the protect clubs from going bankrupt, or doing it PSG or Manchester City style and spending money they can't cover without owners saving them.

You can only spend more than £4.5million more than you earn pr assesment period (which is 3 years), but if you have owners that can cover the losses you can lose as much as £27.5 million over the same time period.

PSG have previously gotten in trouble for balancing the books, the same with Manchester City and Chelsea.

If Real Madrid buy Paul Pogba, they are unable to comply with FFP, period. Unless they offload Bale for his estimated valuation at £80 million.

So while I can't foresee the future, I can foresee a future where Paul Pogba does not get sold to Real Madrid unless Real does some changes to their current squad and gets some players sold. Unless that happens and Real Madrid meets the clubs huge valuation outright, with money upfront because Ed Woodwards wants his money, Pogba is going absolutely nowhere, even if he super wants it. Because he signed a contract and is the clubs most valuable asset.
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What if they sold us Isco and Bale for a fee and in return bought Pogba? We them but Fernandes
 
Drawfull said:
It's all a bit going around in circles, but as well as he's done pre-season, the comments from him and his agent are pretty blunt. I hope you're right.
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I don't see it as going around in circles. He wanted to leave, we set a price which Madrid didn't want to pay - so he's staying. Juve probably can't afford him.

There is nothing credible to suggest he'll be moving in the next week, just random knob-heads saying he deliberately missed a flight - which is preposterous.

That will probably be the end of it until next summer when it will all kick off again.
 
Fletchageddon said:
What are you 5? You'll thank me for ignoring you.
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So much for standing up for yourself.

Before the season ended I stated how this was going to go, he's not going anywhere this window, there's no agreement with other players pending a sale of Pogba. We haven't entertained bids, we haven't named a price, we've stated to all parties involved that he's not for sale.

It's that simple.
 
Fletchageddon said:
Don't quote me without reading my posts.

Pogba will have agreed to stay quiet and behave until we get our guys, in return for a move this window. It's a managed exit. It's PR so that the fans don't shit themselves when he leaves and we haven't signed anyone.

Ed is not a good negotiator. He was quoted the price we paid for Maguire two months ago and spent two months dicking around. It seems to be his MO. He keeps trying to get a deal instead of just getting the players in on time. Maguire is too late, Fernandes, Dybala and all the rest (in and out) are too late. It's unfair on Ole to not have the players he needs in place and to get a full pre season.

It's unprofessional of Woodward + Judge to knock everyone else's plans backwards. The squad won't be settled now for a good few weeks. Which is the whole point of a pre-season.
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I keep seeing these naive posts - do people not realise how negotiations and deals work in real life?
 
Fletchageddon said:
Don't quote me without reading my posts.

Pogba will have agreed to stay quiet and behave until we get our guys, in return for a move this window. It's a managed exit. It's PR so that the fans don't shit themselves when he leaves and we haven't signed anyone.

Ed is not a good negotiator. He was quoted the price we paid for Maguire two months ago and spent two months dicking around. It seems to be his MO. He keeps trying to get a deal instead of just getting the players in on time. Maguire is too late, Fernandes, Dybala and all the rest (in and out) are too late. It's unfair on Ole to not have the players he needs in place and to get a full pre season.

It's unprofessional of Woodward + Judge to knock everyone else's plans backwards. The squad won't be settled now for a good few weeks. Which is the whole point of a pre-season.
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Spot on.We’re being played.We aint signing any more this window.
 
Patrick08 said:
You need to check out my earlier posts. 160-180m while being replaced by 2 players this very season is the condition i'd be okay with him gone.

If we receive that kind of money ( which he is not worth it in my opinion) than we would have got a coutinho style deal .
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Well yeah, if we had two players that were guaranteed to come in, and 160m for him i'd probably he happy for him to go, too! You made it sound like in the original post that i responded to that you want him out the door now, and then look for someone. The point i was making is that would be crazy as there's no way this club would be able to do that.

Hence why i said "this late in the transfer window?"

I just think people underestimate his importance on this team. He's frustrating, he's inconsistent and he pisses me off at times, but he's much better than anything we got currently.
 
Guessing this is Real Madrid preparing for next summer, kind of like they did with Ronaldo. The story will turn into him doing us a favor by staying for a final year, before getting his "dream move".
 
Patrick08 said:
I am saying at united that kind of role is only possible at 10, not that he played at 10 in juventus.
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Ah, understood. Still disagree about the 10 being the only role here where he could find that kind of freedom. I think he could operate well in a 4-1-4-1, or a 4-4-2 diamond (as the left or right mid, especially with hard working fullbacks like Shaw and AWB covering the flanks), or even in a 4-3-3 if you paired him with 2 hard working mids (McTominay plus a Herrera type, maybe). I think people forget how shot Pirlo's legs were toward the end of his career. He was still a marvelous deep-lying playmaker but to say that he helped cover for Pogba's defensive flaws is an overstatement. The brunt of that covering job was left to the hard-working engine of the midfield (at that point it was Vidal).
 
TheRedHearted said:
What if they sold us Isco and Bale for a fee and in return bought Pogba? We them but Fernandes
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I don't believe Manchester United have any need or are interested in Isco. Gareth Bale is 30 and has a wage bill that would shatter the clubs budget, make everyone from Paul Pogba to Marcus Rashford unhappy about earning half his money, and he's injury prone. The club have reportedly made it clear that they are not interested in Gareth Bale, and I'm right there with them.

Bruno Fernandes is still a target for the club and might be the next guy in after Dybala. Sergej Milinkovic-Savic has been linked as Paul Pogbas replacement, but its very unclear how realistic this option is. The window closes in 5 days, the club will not do express business when it concerns the biggest building block on the team.
 
Fletchageddon said:
It's a month to the end of the european window. We can still sell but cant buy after next week. Pogba is gone once we have our guys in. Which is crap because I thought we were gonna have a great team with him, Dybala, Fernandes and Manduzkic.
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Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Nearly a month for sales.
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Who gives a feck about the European window?

The market for us ends in 5 days. We aren’t selling any significant player for now. Real Madrid can go feck themselves. Had the entire window to bid for him the price we asked for. He's not leaving now. Can try his luck next summer. For now he should put effort and play well with the team.
 
el3mel said:
Who gives a feck about the European window?

The market for us ends in 5 days. We aren’t selling any significant player for now. Real Madrid can go feck themselves. Had the entire window to bid for him the price we asked for. He's not leaving now. Can try his luck next summer. For now he should put effort and play well with the team.
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For the n'th time, we're not asking for anything, we've made it clear he's not for sale.
 
Tom Cato said:
I don't believe Manchester United have any need or are interested in Isco. Gareth Bale is 30 and has a wage bill that would shatter the clubs budget, make everyone from Paul Pogba to Marcus Rashford unhappy about earning half his money, and he's injury prone. The club have reportedly made it clear that they are not interested in Gareth Bale, and I'm right there with them.

Bruno Fernandes is still a target for the club and might be the next guy in after Dybala. Sergej Milinkovic-Savic has been linked as Paul Pogbas replacement, but its very unclear how realistic this option is. The window closes in 5 days, the club will not do express business when it concerns the biggest building block on the team.
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Agree with much of that.
 
If we have players lined up and he doesn't want to be here let him off. Don't want any half hearted players here this season.
 
If we sign a midfielder this week i expect he'll be going. There must be a reason why the situation has gone quiet. Conveniently not part of the starting 11 for the final two friendlies either.
 
Fletchageddon said:
Don't quote me without reading my posts.

Pogba will have agreed to stay quiet and behave until we get our guys, in return for a move this window. It's a managed exit. It's PR so that the fans don't shit themselves when he leaves and we haven't signed anyone.

Ed is not a good negotiator. He was quoted the price we paid for Maguire two months ago and spent two months dicking around. It seems to be his MO. He keeps trying to get a deal instead of just getting the players in on time. Maguire is too late, Fernandes, Dybala and all the rest (in and out) are too late. It's unfair on Ole to not have the players he needs in place and to get a full pre season.

It's unprofessional of Woodward + Judge to knock everyone else's plans backwards. The squad won't be settled now for a good few weeks. Which is the whole point of a pre-season.
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And what guys do you think we're getting in? Cos like I said, Fernandes isn't coming, Dybala is nothing like Pogba and Mandzukic obviously isn't either. Those were the people you listed, were they not? Fact of the matter is, two midfielders have gone from the squad of last season and no midfielder has been brought in. If Pogba was to go, then at least two will need to be bought. Have you seen any strong links to anyone coming in? Bruno doesn't count, because like I said, we have no interest in him. The fact
of the matter is Longstaff has been the only one and he is no way shape or form someone who can be relied upon.
We have no interest in Fernandes. Dybala wasn't a target until Juve let it be known they were willing to swap him for Lukaku. It's fair enough that he tried to negotiate down Leicester, if he didn't I'm sure this board would have been full of complaints that he didn't get us a good deal and that we had our pants pulled down. Also, we are one of the biggest spenders in the transfer market this summer, with £140m spent.

Look, I'm not his biggest fan but I can't really blame Woodward for most of his actions this summer. The transfer market is truly a sellers one and he's gone after players that Ole wanted like Longstaff and James. Neither of whom would have been any other manager's choice. He also brought in AWB nice and early.

It's obvious that Ole and the board have a plan in place for transfers for this season, and the next few seasons. It's not going to be about revolution and wholesale change but gradual progression and evolution.
 
Hopefully Ole will just convince Pogba to work his balls off till January where he can come in as a savior to Real Madrid... only for ZZ to be sacked and JM come in and take over haha......
 
I'd actually rather Pogba leaves this summer. There's really no point of him in this team with what he have up front. Get that money and reinvest it in a RW and LW next season.
 
marktan said:
I'd actually rather Pogba leaves this summer. There's really no point of him in this team with what he have up front. Get that money and reinvest it in a RW and LW next season.
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Have you seen the game against Milan? We have just proved a Pogba less midfield with no addition will result in less than 6th
 
rotherham_red said:
And what guys do you think we're getting in? Cos like I said, Fernandes isn't coming, Dybala is nothing like Pogba and Mandzukic obviously isn't either. Those were the people you listed, were they not? Fact of the matter is, two midfielders have gone from the squad of last season and no midfielder has been brought in. If Pogba was to go, then at least two will need to be bought. Have you seen any strong links to anyone coming in? Bruno doesn't count, because like I said, we have no interest in him. The fact
of the matter is Longstaff has been the only one and he is no way shape or form someone who can be relied upon.
We have no interest in Fernandes. Dybala wasn't a target until Juve let it be known they were willing to swap him for Lukaku. It's fair enough that he tried to negotiate down Leicester, if he didn't I'm sure this board would have been full of complaints that he didn't get us a good deal and that we had our pants pulled down. Also, we are one of the biggest spenders in the transfer market this summer, with £140m spent.

Look, I'm not his biggest fan but I can't really blame Woodward for most of his actions this summer. The transfer market is truly a sellers one and he's gone after players that Ole wanted like Longstaff and James. Neither of whom would have been any other manager's choice. He also brought in AWB nice and early.

It's obvious that Ole and the board have a plan in place for transfers for this season, and the next few seasons. It's not going to be about revolution and wholesale change but gradual progression and evolution.
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My original quote said Pogba wouldn’t move until we get replacements in. I’ve no idea as I’m not on the board or part of Ole’s backroom staff. I do work in the media and in sport and this has all the hallmarks of a managed exit.
 
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