Then our choice is to send him to the reserves.
Pogba Future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
If we've failed to get in replacements that's our problem not his. He's been pretty clear all summer that he wants out.
Nice idea in theory but wouldn't happen in practice.
He want out.
The main problem for us is that no one is willing to pay what we demand. We can’t just give him away on cheap because Madrid used their budget on Hazard.
In this situation our club has done what it can.
It hasn't been clear whether anyone's willing to pay the fee we would want.
I don’t think Madrid will/can stump up the cash for him, so he’ll have to wait until next year. But people claiming it’s 100% bullshit or shit sources or whatever should really remember that him/his agent both literally said he wanted to leave...as soon as they did that, they gave the media licence to print what they want, whether it’s now true or not (and who knows).
Most likely just a back injury but he has added unneeded disruption to our preseason and that will continue well into next season until the other league windows shut. I’m surprised a lot of people have forgotten this...it’s going to run and run until he leaves.
Most likely just a back injury but he has added unneeded disruption to our preseason and that will continue well into next season until the other league windows shut. I’m surprised a lot of people have forgotten this...it’s going to run and run until he leaves.
It feels as if some of our own fans want him to go on strike and believe any story that suggests that. 
Very sad.
Very sad.He deserves it you, for the sake of his career. Or something like that..It feels as if some of our own fans want him to go on strike and believe any story that suggests that.
Has been quiet,but there were reports from Italy last week. Point is , if RM let us know they will raise the cash before deadline then we will sign him this week.
I was pissed off by Pogba's and his agent's comments before our pre-season, but since then it's all been quiet and reputable journalists have said many times we have not received any offers or inquiries about him.
We are about to conduct at least 2 great signings, one officially is done so why would he decide that now is the time to kick off? I'd even say that getting Dybala is a way to keep Pogba happy as they are very good mates.
Can't we just sell his agent instead? 
If we sold him by weight instead of a flat fee we could build a new pissing stadium.Can't we just sell his agent instead?
It's a story out of nothing and as you say some can't wait for all the drama.
Yeah.
Zero chance we sell him out of the window, 150m does us no good in the bank.
Even if they offered it now it might be too late. Surely RM don’t think they can “bully” us with an out of window bid, and Pogba refusing to play?
Even if they offered it now it might be too late. Surely RM don’t think they can “bully” us with an out of window bid, and Pogba refusing to play?
If we expected him to go in the last couple of weeks of August then we'd be signing Longstaff and Fernandes for sure. Not least because Pogba's fees would pay for both of them and then some.
If we haven't signed either by the end of the Prem window then zero chance of Pogba going.
If we haven't signed either by the end of the Prem window then zero chance of Pogba going.
Can go if we receive a 160-180m bid and replace him.
Jose Alvarez Haya also reported last summer that Pogba will go on strike when he was linked with Barca. The guy is clearly a bullshitter. For some reason, he was considered fairly reliable for City (he covers City for La Sexta/El Chiringuito), but even City fan accounts ignore him these days.
It's just an easy story that fits Madrid propaganda. It's been clear for weeks now that they don't have the money, but they are the mighty Real Madrid, they want their fans to believe they can buy any player they want, even when they have only 75m to spend.
It's just an easy story that fits Madrid propaganda. It's been clear for weeks now that they don't have the money, but they are the mighty Real Madrid, they want their fans to believe they can buy any player they want, even when they have only 75m to spend.
This late in the transfer window?
Going on strike would make no sense. He's had all pre-season to do it and this close to the end of our window just doesn't add up. Plus no one has bid for him and no one wants him that badly.
If we sign Dybala and start winning again, who's to say he won't suddenly change his mind and enjoy playing here again? Letting him go this late in the window is madness, unless it's for a fee above our stated valuation. This is a nothing story.
Yeah. It's not like he is winning us the title or anything.
He won't enjoy until he is played in a 10 in a free role near the box with no responsibilities to track back and defend. Clearly we are not willing to give him that judging by our window. He will down tools all season just like he did last season after international break when zidane was hired in Madrid and we hired ole.
He's stated ONCE that he's interested in a new challenge. His comment reads: "It could be a good time for a new challenge". - Quite frankly after that comment I don't think anyone has any right to call him out for anything. He's been professional, trains with the team and plays the friendlies. He's been one of the better players on the Man United tour.
Mino Raiola is the one that's stirring the hornets nest - Here are some of his comments during a recent media interview
- “The player [Pogba] has done nothing wrong,” said the Italian.
- “He has been respectful and professional in every way and always.
- “The club has known his feeling for a long time.
- “It is a shame other people only like to criticise without the right information, and I am also sorry that the club does not take any position against this.
- “Hopefully there will be soon a satisfying solution for all parties.”
Mino Raiola is not a neutral party here. He takes a huge commision on transfers, and has every incentive in the world to frequently move his players along. He's a frequent nuance for the clubs who have to deal with him and he has about 0 qualms about putting player and club against each other to get his demands. Gianluigi Donnarumma is a famous example of this. The golden boy talent of Italian football, went from being a beloved talent, to getting caught in Raiolas negoitation web, threatened to leave the club over and over, and ended up signing a huge contract with Milan in 2017. Litearlly a teenager who made huge demands to the club, and in the end Raiola won through.
Oh and the Milan fans hate him and nickname him Dollarumma. Money is the only thing that matters to this guy. Yes its important to most players, but most of them have the decency to be reasonable in their demands.
Hell, our own Juan Mata helped launch Common Goal, a charity that donates proceeeds of the players salaries to a number of great causes: https://www.common-goal.org/ - There are some players who want to give back and not just fleece the clubs.
Pogba is Raiolas milk cow. He will not have a bigger payday for the next decade than Paul Pogba moving to Madrid. So of course he will do anything he can to move his client along. This was most likely the plan all along. Go to Manchester United, increase market value, move on again.
I am sure that Paul Pogba wants to play for Real Madrid. I am also sure that Paul Pogba wants to play for Manchester United if the team is actually capable of fighting for the titles the player covets. Champions League and league titles are obvious targets for players of this caliber. The team has had a great pre-season, the play has been lively, pacey, the youngsters are blooming, AWB has been a revelation and we just invested in the most expensive CB in the games history (I know some of you are skeptic but Im hyped and will make a post about that in the Maguire thread). I think it's just as likely that Pogba will see that good things are happening and that might be enough to make him want to explore a contract extension later this season.
The club has done great things on the market this window and really commited to the managers rebuild. If Paulo Dybala comes here on top of everything, even more incentive to stay. Dybala and Pogba are good buddies from Juventus. Paul and Romelu are also friends, so that point is a bit mute, but it doesnt really hurt does it.
There are also other factors to consider:
Real Madrid can't afford to buy Paul Pogba this window. Real Madrid are currently barely compliant with FFP and might need to off-load players before the Spanish window closes. Signing another jumbo expensive player would absolutely put them in transfer ban realm. Ed Woodward wants cash up front. Real Madrid no doubt want to structure a Pogba deal over 5 years. Real have to take out a bank loan if they want to cash out for Pogba, putting them into credit debt. The club is looking at a season with a lot of unanswered questions. The pre-season for Real Madrid has been terrible. James Rodriguez is still in the club. Gareth Bale is still in the club and looks likely to stay. Gareth Bale was supposed to be off-loaded to clear the budget but he's going to remain with the club this season and thats one expensive guy to have around.
Zinedine Zidan heads a club that is as famous for firing managers as it is for buying expensive players because they are expensive. If he gets off to a poor show of form in the season opener, he's already on unsteady ground. If he does not succeed initially, the clubs brass won't think twice before considering letting him resign by his own will, only to replace him with someone else like Mourinho, Pogbas best friend. He has a troop with players he does not want there in Bale and Rodriguez, but are forced to keep them for now. No English or Chinese club is taking Bale, and no one but Barcelona and PSG can afford his salary, and he's not going to any of those clubs. Real Madrid have already spent £277 million pounds on transfers, of which £172 million is net. Adding Paul Pogbas £160 million reported asking price (Some figures operates wirth £180 million but Ill go with the lower number) puts their net spend at £332 million.
The point of the FFP is the protect clubs from going bankrupt, or doing it PSG or Manchester City style and spending money they can't cover without owners saving them.
You can only spend more than £4.5million more than you earn pr assesment period (which is 3 years), but if you have owners that can cover the losses you can lose as much as £27.5 million over the same time period.
PSG have previously gotten in trouble for balancing the books, the same with Manchester City and Chelsea.
If Real Madrid buy Paul Pogba, they are unable to comply with FFP, period. Unless they offload Bale for his estimated valuation at £80 million.
So while I can't foresee the future, I can foresee a future where Paul Pogba does not get sold to Real Madrid unless Real does some changes to their current squad and gets some players sold. Unless that happens and Real Madrid meets the clubs huge valuation outright, with money upfront because Ed Woodwards wants his money, Pogba is going absolutely nowhere, even if he super wants it. Because he signed a contract and is the clubs most valuable asset.
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Can't see him staying unfortunately. It'd be great if we've Ronaldo'd him to give us an extra season but gut and head says he's gone before end of the month.
For all the antics, comments and shit from his agent, I like him. I don't think we'll be monumentally fecked when he goes but it's got to be a big blow to Ole, based on pre-season prior to tonight. A shame.
edit: and then I read the excellent post by @Tom Cato - feck knows then.
For all the antics, comments and shit from his agent, I like him. I don't think we'll be monumentally fecked when he goes but it's got to be a big blow to Ole, based on pre-season prior to tonight. A shame.
edit: and then I read the excellent post by @Tom Cato - feck knows then.
We aren't getting Fernandes and SMS is Italian paper talk.
So who else is reporting the transfer request thing, besides Metro and elchinguiroTV ?
He's never had that role, even at Juventus, so I'm not sure that he's ever enjoyed playing football based on your opinion of his favored position.
No credible source have reported this. Non, nada.. so much about nothing
I mean, he's far from the reason why we're not winning titles. Strange justification for selling him now. He's easily our best outfield player and selling now would be ridiculous. There's no way this club is going to sell him and find an adequate replacement in a few days.
Haven't seen any legit source reporting on him 'forcing' an exit,just known clickbait/BS merchants
With 5 days left in the window,I'm almost certain he'll be staying put this window. Madrid have yet to raise funds and we have yet to buy any replacements for Herrera and Fellaini let alone Pogba
With 5 days left in the window,I'm almost certain he'll be staying put this window. Madrid have yet to raise funds and we have yet to buy any replacements for Herrera and Fellaini let alone Pogba
He played as an attacking midfielder in a 352 with Vidal and pirlo covering for his poor positional and defending skills, 10 is an only position he gets which can afford him that in our scenario.
Yeah, like he had with France when they won the World Cup... oh wait.
No, no, like he had with Juve when he enjoyed the best form of his career... oh wait.
Ok, ok, like he had here when Zlatan was here and Pogba was in great form... oh wait.
Hope so.
He is not our best outfield player if we are continuing to use him as a deep lying pivot or even a LCM with Matic and Mctominay to play alongside him.
He is a tactical nightmare for managers especially with this style of football.
2 players can replace his creativity. I don't even care now if he stays he will be inconsistent poor and will be exposed through out the season.
In this window? I think its extremely unlikely he'll leave
With kante and Matuidi assisting him and griezman taking on playmaking duties.
That was just one tournament where he was focussed to do a job. Was played in exact same position here and keeps getting absolutely destroyed by top oppositions.
International football doesn't have that high calibre teams too.