Gaming PlayStation 4 (Console)

Redlambs said:
And the only problem I have with you is you tried to jump on us right from the start of this reveal, it's as if you want to blame me for it being underwhelming. But that isn't my fault, I want the exact opposite! Oh and I'm a bigger Sony fan than you all might realise, much bigger than Weaste himself :lol:

But you can't say I haven't been saying it for years now about the state of the industry and how it's going. This round of consoles is just another step towards all that.

It's not me moaning, it's me hating what the industry I love most is becoming.
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That was a joke is all! I'm just disappointing you where wrong, I was bragging to my friends that I knew it was going to run the PS3 PS2 and PS1 CD's!

Je suis disappoint.
 
I deleted my post because I knew you'd respond with something I wouldn't understand.

I'll go with sugarcats?
 
Having bought a PS3 at launch for over £400, I had told myself that I'd probably wait a couple of years after the release of PS4 before buying one so I could get a cheaper/slim/large HD with lots of games already out. Then I remembered that I didn't even have a job when I bought the PS3, thus I will be buying a PS4 ASAP most probably!

Thing is I will probably be spending most of my gaming time playing GTAV at that time so it may not even be worth it. The launch titles look so lame, it really feels like real variety of games has totally disappeared since the PS2.

I feel like back in the days of PS1/PS2 they were so limited by graphics that the USP for their games were the fact that they were fun/addictive. The PS3 era seems to be all about having the best graphics, yet most games feel like clones of each other no matter how good they look. It's like when the games were fun, graphics were the thing everyone wanted to see improved, but the focus got put too much into graphics and the fun side has diminished somewhat, at least broadly speaking. There are of course some great games today that are very fun and also have good graphics, but the fun aspect seems more rare than it once was.
 
Zarlak said:
Robocop take 8GB out of your machine, and then try to play a demanding game and notice the massive difference.
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I might.

Do you know I dont disagree that a game could use 8gb to run a lot quicker than with 4gb, as long as the CPU allowed it (and it probably would). But I doubt many (engines) are that well programmed.
 
I'll have to wait and see whether I'll buy it at launch. Not sure I'll be in too much of a rush. Plus, launch games are usually pretty shit.
 
I picked up my PS3 soon after launch when all the pre-owned ones were flooding the shops. Gotta love all the people who bought it then traded it a couple of months later due to lack of games.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Will the new PS4 have plug in playability and a renewable user graphical interface?
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No.


But it is compatible with the new bendy screens, and does use floppy Bluray Discs (you can see the FBD logo on the presentation at about 66mins in, give or take 6 seconds). That's the only fecking new information I'm giving out!
 
Redlambs said:
No.


But it is compatible with the new bendy screens, and does use floppy Bluray Discs (you can see the FBD logo on the presentation at about 66mins in, give or take 6 seconds). That's the only fecking new information I'm giving out!
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Heh, bendy screens? I'm sold. But I'm cheap like that.

Talking about fantastic cut sequences/CGI... Halo 4 had some jaw droppingly gorgeous cut scenes.
 
By the way, this once again seems relevant:


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Redlambs said:
This game prediction thing is hilariously obvious.

I can't believe anybody would like that idea! feck sake, you think games are generic and dumb now :lol:
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I stopped the video at that point and was like "I cant believe they did that".
 
I've had a quick scan through this thread and, to his credit, Lambs has mostly been right in his predictions (more so than Weaste at least). The other thing I've noticed is that he seems to think that the expression "be able" is a single word. In this thread alone he's typed it as "beable" 6 times. Other than that, well done. :)
 
Dante said:
I've had a quick scan through this thread and, to his credit, Lambs has mostly been right in his predictions (more so than Weaste at least). The other thing I've noticed is that he seems to think that the expression "be able" is a single word. In this thread alone he's typed it as "beable" 6 times. Other than that, well done. :)
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Do you know what, that is a severe mental block of mine! I've always done it, even though I know it's wrong.

But hey, us genius' always have our issues :lol:
 
Oh, and you should see my predictions for the PS3, the individual games on it, and the entire generation race. Even though I know some things for a fact, I can rarely ever be faulted when it comes to the games! Weaste still owes me a crate of beer from years ago, and my victory in the GT5 thread in the face of everyone else in there (especially via the entire newbies according to weaste) was flawless :lol:
 
All the social aspect I couldn't really give two shits about to be honest, as has been said numerous times I just want a new breed of interesting and challenging games, not just ones that look pretty.

Lambs will MGS Ground zeroes be on PS4 you reckon? It's running on Konami's new engine so I'd perhaps assume it'd run on the next generation of consoles? It's really the only gaming series I'm interested in now. FF has been crap for so many years now I'm not even looking forward to the PS4 one.
 
I just want some 4 player games that aren't platformers or Fifa.

Obviously you've got some modes on COD without bots (with bots on Black Ops 2?) and there are a few racing games.

Nowhere near enough though.
 
Dante said:
The other thing I've noticed is that he seems to think that the expression "be able" is a single word. In this thread alone he's typed it as "beable" 6 times. Other than that, well done. :)
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Good observation, although I guess it's only fair to point out that you said this:

Conjecting that it'll be slow because it uses 35 year old technology is like complaining that it'll use electricity which was invented hundreds of years ago.
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*waits to be presented with my own errors.
 
All I want to know is have they removed that hideous cinavia copyright protection thing? If not I won't buy a PS 4 for at least a year.
 
dumbo said:
Good observation, although I guess it's only fair to point out that you said this:



*waits to be presented with my own errors.
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That was hyperbole for comic effect to be fair.

I do make a shit load of mistakes though. I predicted that the PS4 would contain 4gb of RAM, the CELL processor and horse DNA.
 
esmufc12 said:
All the social aspect I couldn't really give two shits about to be honest, as has been said numerous times I just want a new breed of interesting and challenging games, not just ones that look pretty.

Lambs will MGS Ground zeroes be on PS4 you reckon? It's running on Konami's new engine so I'd perhaps assume it'd run on the next generation of consoles? It's really the only gaming series I'm interested in now. FF has been crap for so many years now I'm not even looking forward to the PS4 one.
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If it's a brand new engine it will be, though it could be cross platform since if it runs on a PC (or Xbox :smirk:) it'll run on the PS4.

I doubt a new engine would be scaled down and optimised for the PS3 though, and they like these as showy new titles.
 
Redlambs said:
Hey, when you take as much shit as I do sometimes, you're entitled to at least point it out every now and then that you are nearly always right :angel:

Besides this is a very hollow victory, because it's the opposite of what I want :(
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I jest, mate :)
 
To be fair, he got a lot of the structure of it spot on, and we should respect that.


What he didn't tell us though, is it's a fecking worse 'social media' machine than any ever made! Share buttons? Their own social media? cloud crap? Two year old PC?

fecking hell, they should have called it an iStation4!


It is very sad for gaming, it's a travesty for Sony actually. When you get a company that good at technology having to resort to this, it's not right. But it is what it is I guess.
 
Ok here's my take on the announcement and some of the misconceptions shown by a few posters in this thread.

People tend to look at everything from a PC component standpoint and look at unified devices in the same terms. They are completely different & shouldn't be looked at in the same way.
PC components have been designed in an evolutionary method, to provide backwards compatibility for older hardware & software.
So when you build a component based PC, the architecture of the design is 30+ years old and has bottlenecks between the relevant components.

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That is your typical PC architecture design and you can see that in order for the CPU to access the GPU, it needs to go through the northbridge which handles the internal IO processes.
The new PS4 will be based around a newer version of this design.

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AMD have integrated the Northbridge, GPU & CPU into 1 APU but with this design it has a channel to a DDR3 memory bus.
With the PS4 they aren't using conventional DDR3 RAM but using GDDR5.
Essentially DDR3 - Low latency, low bandwidth & GDDR5 - High latency, high bandwidth.
See this post for the technical details of the differences between the 2.

http://www.techspot.com/community/t...-memory-and-gddr5-memory.186408/#post-1243450

And if it's also based around AMD's new design which is a fully integrated APU with a Heterogeneous Systems Architecture which I expect it will be, then there'll be parallel workloads instead of the current architecture which has the CPU & GPU using different memory spaces.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5493/...ed-memory-for-cpugpu-in-2013-hsa-gpus-in-2014

So Sony are only doing what they have done in the past and focus on getting the best graphical performance of the current gen. But this time they've learnt from their mistakes and made the platform accessible to more developers by using a conventional architecture (x86-64).

There maybe a few mistakes in my post but it's close enough to what I think Sony are doing.
 
rcoobc said:
I just want some 4 player games that aren't platformers or Fifa.

Obviously you've got some modes on COD without bots (with bots on Black Ops 2?) and there are a few racing games.

Nowhere near enough though.
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Bringing back 4 player coop games that are local split screen would be great. Seems to be a real area that has vanished. Was nothing better than sitting round with mates playing a game together in the same room. This generation, we hardly saw that which was a shame.
 
Dargonk said:
Bringing back 4 player coop games that are local split screen would be great. Seems to be a real area that has vanished. Was nothing better than sitting round with mates playing a game together in the same room. This generation, we hardly saw that which was a shame.
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They need to bring TimeSplitters back. feck CryTek cancelling #4.
 
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