Not really no. If you like shinier graphics then go for the Pro. However don't expect to get an 'advantage' over your fellow PS4 players because consoles are a closed ecosystem as such. I can't believe people honestly think framerates would be different on multiplayer on consoles. Like I said if Sony did that their would be outrage.
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This is an interesting argument, as it's more powerful than the X1, significantly so.
What that has led to is an unassailable install base this generation of PlayStation 4, and with both companies releasing incremental backward compatible upgrades that will be playing exactly the same software as the current consoles, what do you think is going to happen?
Those 40 million plus users are going to drop everything and dump their entire console and software library to buy a new Xbox or will they keep their current PS4 or will they buy the slightly better one without having to rebuy all their games?
It's not going to be the first option that's for sure.
Good article on HDR and 4K TVs and the impact it has on gaming:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming
The main thing to be aware of with HDR is that it can affect the input lag.
I am going to wait until the new models are released / communicated in January. I think right now to get a 4K TV with HDR and adequate lag ranges cuts it down to a very small, expensive market. There are some cheaper TVs in that article that they review, but they say you also then compromise on the HDR range itself - which almost defeats the point of going down that route.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming
The main thing to be aware of with HDR is that it can affect the input lag.
I am going to wait until the new models are released / communicated in January. I think right now to get a 4K TV with HDR and adequate lag ranges cuts it down to a very small, expensive market. There are some cheaper TVs in that article that they review, but they say you also then compromise on the HDR range itself - which almost defeats the point of going down that route.
Like I said in my post above, neither of these consoles are going to result in a major shift of ownership as they are playing exactly the same software as their existing consoles.
All that will happen is a small percentage will jump ship either way, a slightly larger percentage will buy the incremental upgrades in the same Eco system, the vast an huge majority will stay exactly where they are.
Whats the story with this TV?
http://www.harveynorman.ie/tvs-headphones/hd-tvs/samsung-55-6-series-uhd-4k-tv-ue55ku6000kxxu.html
Looks to have everthing required including HDR. And its less than a grand
In fact I could buy this through my job for about €700
http://www.harveynorman.ie/tvs-headphones/hd-tvs/samsung-55-6-series-uhd-4k-tv-ue55ku6000kxxu.html
Looks to have everthing required including HDR. And its less than a grand
In fact I could buy this through my job for about €700
Sorry not sure how you're responding to my post. my post was referring to how the framerate will be the same on both consoles (multiplayer) which is completely the right thing to do (others were surprised about this).
Consoles are now like phones. Every two years there will be a better version.
Microsoft might have a better one next year then the year after that Sony will come out with an even better one etc etc.
Microsoft might have a better one next year then the year after that Sony will come out with an even better one etc etc.
With about 2 games actually worth playing over 5 years. Woo.
My ps4 is a glorified Netflix box at present.
I read one comment (not sure about which model) that said even those that advertise HDR can on the lower end of the price range mean they accept an HDR signal, but cannot actually reproduce all of the colors. Also some TVs that have gaming modes disable the HDR in this mode in order to keep the input lag down to respectable levels.
It all seems a bit of a mess at the moment. It seems as though people think the move to HDR is a more noticeable leap than the one from 1080p to 4K.
But not personally in a rush so will wait for next year probably.
yup. I think I will definately wait another year at least before picking up a 4k TV
its a minefield
Buyers remorse seems to be more of an issue with TVs than almost anything else!
I thought the 720p vs 1080p was bad enough - but right now it's almost as though there is some new tech every few months. I suppose you can either sit on the fence forever, or just commit. But they don't make it straight forward to understand what are the true significant features (such as HDR, apparently) and what are those that are more gimmicky.
Also, having sets that offer HDR in cinema modes but not gaming modes seems less than honest.
yep and also you have to have a HDR TV that does 'HDR10' format as well. Some with HDR won't take advantage otherwise. Until 4K and HDR are a) cheaper and b) standardised I'm not entering it...
No it doesn't. You mean the uproar on PC? Because I certainly missed that. People with better internet also have advantage in online games. Maybe we should restrict them to a certain download also. People with low input lag TVs have advantage. If a person wants to spend the money then they should see the increased benefit.
Consoles are more PC than ever.
If Sony were smart they would advertise which of their range of TV's would be suitable with the Neo
MS could do likewise and partner with LG or Samsung etc..
MS could do likewise and partner with LG or Samsung etc..
Also the Xbox slim runs certain games better than the original Xbox one. The Xbox one runs certain BC games better than the 360, so thankfully MS don't seem to following this stupid method.
Or else they should restrict people for having better monitors, better internet and elite controllers.
Or else they should restrict people for having better monitors, better internet and elite controllers.
I wonder how 1080p/medium/30FPS will look when upscaled to 4k 
, next gen blown away
, next gen blown awayThere would be uproar if the Pro had this advnatage yes - because 40 million people who own a stock PS4 would instantly be at a disadvantage. Would you rather segregate PS4 Pro and regular PS4 players? No way would Sony want that.
Besides... For months we have known that the specs of the Pro did not align with taking existing PS4 games from 30fps to 60fps...the CPU boost just isn't there...
What we got was a significantly more powerful GPU...which lends itself to higher resolutions, and prettier graphics...
Seriously,, multiplayer on consoles should always be a level player field. Do you see mouse and keyboard support in consoles multiplayer? Why is that? How did that work out the last time it was attempted? I can only assume that those moaning about it don't play competitively or are ok about the possibility of having to Falk out to remain competitive.
Is this not obvious tho?
Is this not obvious tho?
As someone who can't currently afford an upgrade, I can't help but feel a tiny bit cheated. At least with the Xbox 360 and PS3 upgrades you didn't feel like you had an inferior machine. This just screams of ''upgrade or you'll be left behind''.
Show me the uproar on PC?
I don't see any uproar on Neogaf or Reddit. Infact a lot of people are slamming Sony for this decision.
Is there a uproar because someone has better internet or TV than you? Or they use elite controllers online? Let's not make out consoles are equal for everyone. Some people still use 720p HD ready TVs, so I guess the people using 1080p sets have advantage. Maybe we should restrict them. If someone has a lower ping than another player online they have advantage. Is there uproar over that?
It's not like they including keyboard and mouse.
On Halo 1 PC, people with really crap graphics cards would show people with "invisibility" as bright orange glows. So when we played out 8 player local matches, people on the old crappy PC's had a pretty nice advantage
I'm honestly not sure if I care about people having a slight advantage with the PS Pro. Most people who want to game "properly" on the Playstation, will upgrade to the Pro. The majority won't care as long as everything works nicely.
I mean, how many people game with the PS4 on a monitor rather than a TV to reduce input lag? Not many I wager. Those that do, more power to them. I'm equally happy playing split screen online Rocket League or COD. It doesn't make me much worse as a player (I'm terrible at double jump COD anyway).
Seems fair to say either play to have fun, or get the Pro? When it stops being fun, then you've got a problem.
Look at it like this, Sony and Microsoft have just extended the Life of the PS4 by at least 1 year maybe 2. If they hadn't have done this, we might be looking at a new console either in 2017 or 2018. Now they may get away with it until 2019 (5 year life cycle).
Redlambs will complain heavily about this though!
No UHD is very weak, especially if XBOX can do it and at a cheaper price too. i will probably go for a pro because I need a PS4 for the exclusives. Sure it's still early for UHD but it is selling and now having to shell out for a separate machine for UHD discs - quite possibly an XBOX - is irritating for me and seems an oversight by Sony.
Netflicks 4k can feck off with their compression, low bitrates and mangled fps, I'd rather 1080p Blu Ray it.
Netflicks 4k can feck off with their compression, low bitrates and mangled fps, I'd rather 1080p Blu Ray it.
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Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it I suppose. Tbh though, I'm not dissatisfied with the console as it is. Uncharted 4 is probably the best looking game I've ever set my eyes on. If visuals like those start becoming a more regular thing as the console gets older, I won't be complaining.
Was it a good decision to take time out from this generation of consoles. Still got a PS3 and won't be looking to upgrade till I get PS5.
So the PS4 Pro basically means just better graphics? Were the graphics on the stock PS4 inadequate?
I've owned consoles from since I was young with the NES, Megadrive, Saturn and the Playstations but I can't justify buying a console these days. Most games are multi platform, and I have my PC. I'm missing out on games like Unchartered 4 (and PES because Konami gimps the PC versions) but I've made my peace with that.
I've owned consoles from since I was young with the NES, Megadrive, Saturn and the Playstations but I can't justify buying a console these days. Most games are multi platform, and I have my PC. I'm missing out on games like Unchartered 4 (and PES because Konami gimps the PC versions) but I've made my peace with that.
Apparently it would have cost Sony 13 dollars to include a UHD player in.
As Sony is not including support for UHD Blu-Rays, do you guys think this means Sony is moving towards a future without physical media?
Nah. They have stated this update is primary for gaming. Maybe more designed to allow developers to push the VR headset.
I don't think Sony are going to ditch Blu Rays for a while considering they make money off every blu ray copy sold.
It depends what floats your boat. I've played some of the best games I think I'll ever play this generation, but aside from the likes of Bloodborne and Uncharted, you can play the majority on PC too. I would have loved to play The Witcher 3 for example on a high spec PC.
There is no uproar on the PC? When did I say that? PC is a completely different beast to console - it's always been that way. I don't see any uproar on GAF either no - but a lot of people aren't surprised. Which is my point. People are are indeed slamming Sony - but my point is what did they expect. It was obvious there wouldn't be a difference.
Digital games currently take up about 30% worldwide (console) and only 20% in the UK. There's a long way till that happens.
My UHD TV doesn't support HDR (Samsung JU6500) but in gaming mode it has very low input lag.
Also has fantastic image quality.
Most UHDTV's that support HDR have unacceptable levels of input lag at the moment.
Well they expected a better improved console that ran games better. Not gimped as soon as you go online.
Like I said previously, consoles are not equal playing field when online like you are making them out to be. Eurogamer actually did a good piece on it a few years back, if I can find it then I will post it later. So to suggest that they are is silly.
Well yeah, so if completive play isn't really your thing (not you specifically), then what do you care if you don't have that competitive advantage?On Halo 1 PC, people with really crap graphics cards would show people with "invisibility" as bright orange glows. So when we played out 8 player local matches, people on the old crappy PC's had a pretty nice advantage
I'm honestly not sure if I care about people having a slight advantage with the PS Pro. Most people who want to game "properly" on the Playstation, will upgrade to the Pro. The majority won't care as long as everything works nicely.
I mean, how many people game with the PS4 on a monitor rather than a TV to reduce input lag? Not many I wager. Those that do, more power to them. I'm equally happy playing split screen online Rocket League or COD. It doesn't make me much worse as a player (I'm terrible at double jump COD anyway).
Seems fair to say either play to have fun, or get the Pro? When it stops being fun, then you've got a problem.
Gimped? How? Are you saying all those that remain with PS4 have 'gimped' online? Was it not okay for you up until this point?
So you are saying 'It's not ideal... so let's make it worse. What could go wrong?' Brilliant argument...
Really?? I had always assumed your TV had pretty high input lag.
I guess it must just be your reactions.
If new consoles are going to be released every 2 years we all might as well get into PC gaming, since you're pretty much paying the same to keep your rig up to date.
I don't think this will fly off the shelves, and I don't think Scorpio will either (for other reasons). I don't think they will make this a thing going forward.
- Internet Speed
- Proximity to servers
- TV
- Controllers
- Headsets
But also like I've said before - taking existing PS4 games from 30fps to 60fps is hard...the CPU boost just isn't there...