I'm sure its nobody or only the minority.
Player’s You Don’t Rate As Highly As Others
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I'm sure its nobody or only the minority.
Ander Herrera.
Just because he shut down Hazard once by keeping his arse all over him our fans used to cry about his passion.
He was a very annoying overrated player to me.
Just because he shut down Hazard once by keeping his arse all over him our fans used to cry about his passion.
He was a very annoying overrated player to me.
Agree with Herrera. He was a good squad option but not the outstanding player the caf seemed to think.
Zlatan (Scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer - missed a lot in his career)
Fernando Torres (I think he was good for one season and somehow he's labelled as the best striker and the one who always had Vidic's number which wasn't true)
Greenwood
Rashford
Would rate them much higher if they would learn to pass
Fernando Torres (I think he was good for one season and somehow he's labelled as the best striker and the one who always had Vidic's number which wasn't true)
Greenwood
Rashford
Would rate them much higher if they would learn to pass
Salah
Salah. Good player but not the level some people make out. Very selfish player and looks better thanks to the quality around him.
Ditto Sterling.
Ditto Sterling.
Basically any player when not at United vs any player when they were at United. Our weird fan base likes to diss our own players when they play for us, often in the vague hope of also tying it to Olés influence.
In total agreement on this.
According to Transfermarkt: 484 club goals since 01/02 in 61.630 minutes, which equals a goal every 127 minutes over a 20 year period.
I'd be satisfied with that.
I don’t remember Carrick at all that season to be honest, my memories of Jose’s first season are around Zlatan, Pogba, fellaini and Mikhi, I’m a season ticket holder and I’d forgot he even played for us under Jose.
As for the rest, Cleverly and Anderson kept him out of the team at the start of one season, they looked promising until Cleverlys injury to be fair. As for a past it Scholes, when he came out of retirement he was still twice the deep lying midfielder Carrick ever was.
Carrick had an excellent season in 2013, the rest of his time he was a cog in a fantastic team. Almost every player in that 08 team was world class, only Wes Brown, Hargreaves and Carrick were not.
There’s literally 2 posts about Bruno. What chat?
Agreed. I never got why so much of our fanbase liked him. He was a whiny cheat half the time. There's a difference between being a cnut like Shaw or Scholes or Keane were and being just a whiny diver and Herrera was the latter.
Holy crap. Did not remember Carrick played under Jose. I thought he retired when LVG left.
For me, it’s VDS.
For me, it’s VDS.
Kante, Firmino and Mount.
Some absolute world class players getting mugged off in this thread.
From historical players I think Keane and Ruud are the most overrated. The fact we got way better without them says a lot.
They both have great stats, but for the overall team they are not amazing.
For me Carrick is way better than Keane and the results show that as well.
Tevez and Rooney for all the flaws better than Ruud.
I also think Cantona is overhyped, but he did lift the club a bit like Bruno. Thus you can understand he gets overrated.
They both have great stats, but for the overall team they are not amazing.
For me Carrick is way better than Keane and the results show that as well.
Tevez and Rooney for all the flaws better than Ruud.
I also think Cantona is overhyped, but he did lift the club a bit like Bruno. Thus you can understand he gets overrated.
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Of the current crop, James Maddison, never really see it with him and feel he's a million miles behind Foden, Grealish and Mount and should be nowhere near the England squad.
Ruben Neves, second fiddle to an ancient Mourinho yet some on here have raved about him for years due to scoring a worldie every now and then.
For an opposite shout I'd have Azpilecueta as one of the premier leagues best ever defenders.
Ruben Neves, second fiddle to an ancient Mourinho yet some on here have raved about him for years due to scoring a worldie every now and then.
For an opposite shout I'd have Azpilecueta as one of the premier leagues best ever defenders.
What about Paul Gascoigne always being hyped up as England’s greatest ever talent but I never really saw it, good player that scored some good goals and flicks n’ stuff, but was he really a world class midfielder?
I thought de Gea was overrated before his reputation took that hit. Just being good on the line (no matter how good) is not enough if you want to be elite and have to compete with modern keepers who also fill an instrumental role as sweepers and build up players.
Nuno give him a new job in the Wolves midfield?
This is how this thread sounds at times:
Pele - He was an amazing player, don't get me wrong, but he scored a lot of goals vs minor opponents in friendlies in Brazil.
Maradona - He was magnificent, don't get me wrong, but I feel his career was made to be more than it really was. He went missing many games in his late career due to drugs.
Cruyff - He was amazing, don't get me wrong. But he just won one league in Spain and much more was expected from a world record transfer fee.
Messi - He was amazing, don't get me wrong. But he used to dilute vs strong rivals out of Spain for a great part of his career.
Pele - He was an amazing player, don't get me wrong, but he scored a lot of goals vs minor opponents in friendlies in Brazil.
Maradona - He was magnificent, don't get me wrong, but I feel his career was made to be more than it really was. He went missing many games in his late career due to drugs.
Cruyff - He was amazing, don't get me wrong. But he just won one league in Spain and much more was expected from a world record transfer fee.
Messi - He was amazing, don't get me wrong. But he used to dilute vs strong rivals out of Spain for a great part of his career.
Ramos
Despite having a trophy cabinet that most footballer can only dream of, he never really impressed me that much when playing and honestly i always thought he was a dirty fecker more than anything
Despite having a trophy cabinet that most footballer can only dream of, he never really impressed me that much when playing and honestly i always thought he was a dirty fecker more than anything
This thread is so triggering to read.
With a focus on United I will go...
Marcus Rashford - averages about 10 PL goals a season, poor decision-making, average ball retention, average finishing, no left foot, average in the air. Definitely a “good” player but nowhere near a “great” player for me.
Edwin van der Sar - saw this mentioned above and funnily enough was having the same conversation with a mate when he was linked with the Sporting Director role. Best years noticeably behind him by the time he joined Utd. Was solid but no more than that in my opinion.
Evra - This will be controversial but for me, Evra was the weak-link in our back four defensively for years. Decent going forward but his average delivery rather ruined his direct running and pace. Positional play as a defender was never that good in my opinion. I think if he was scrutinised like modern players are scrutinised this would get highlighted more. At one time it was noticeable a large portion of the goals we conceded came down his side.
Have to caveat all of the above by saying that we’re talking about “players I don’t rate as highly as others”. I’m not saying these players are poor, I’m just saying they are generally overrated by popular opinion for me.
Marcus Rashford - averages about 10 PL goals a season, poor decision-making, average ball retention, average finishing, no left foot, average in the air. Definitely a “good” player but nowhere near a “great” player for me.
Edwin van der Sar - saw this mentioned above and funnily enough was having the same conversation with a mate when he was linked with the Sporting Director role. Best years noticeably behind him by the time he joined Utd. Was solid but no more than that in my opinion.
Evra - This will be controversial but for me, Evra was the weak-link in our back four defensively for years. Decent going forward but his average delivery rather ruined his direct running and pace. Positional play as a defender was never that good in my opinion. I think if he was scrutinised like modern players are scrutinised this would get highlighted more. At one time it was noticeable a large portion of the goals we conceded came down his side.
Have to caveat all of the above by saying that we’re talking about “players I don’t rate as highly as others”. I’m not saying these players are poor, I’m just saying they are generally overrated by popular opinion for me.
I know, normally if a player would cheat or dive occasionally in a random game and gain a benefit for us I can turn a blind eye and be happy with what has happened - however Herrera was diving and crying every 15 minutes on the pitch that it made me annoyed with him. It genuinely felt like Herrera's cheating method was a tactic to our gameplay. It made me feel United were poor.
There were times when all he had to do was make a forward pass to our forwards on the counter attack but he couldn't make that happen because he had decided he had been tackled and should make the biggest dramatic fall to show for it.
We saw this vs us when we played PSG aswell. Had no influence on the game except getting Fred sent off.
We got “way better” without Keane? I know this is a thread of opinions but that’s a pretty nonsense one! We won a treble with Keane as our captain and the double twice!
RvN I can go along with. I don’t agree but I can see the argument
Agree with Sterling. I know people will point out his numbers to me to counter the point however, every time I have watched city against a tougher opposition, he has never stood out.
I mean against top sides you want your star player to do something, he has always struggled. The games city lose, he is nowhere to be seen either. Yet, he gets a start for England automatically.
This post has to be a troll... oh wait never mind just saw who posted
First player that came to mind for me was Salah. He's a quality finisher for that side but he's also uber selfish and brings little else to the team if the goals aren't flowing. Just feels like a guy that wants to take 10 shots and score, and it's telling how he's been basically a ghost against us throughout his career.
Joe Gomez.
From our players, the one is definitely Fred for me.
Elsewhere: Son (even pre-heel turn); Firmino (pre him becoming genuinely terrible);
Retired: Totti; Gerrard.
Elsewhere: Son (even pre-heel turn); Firmino (pre him becoming genuinely terrible);
Retired: Totti; Gerrard.
Who ever rated him?
Did you read his thread? Perfect modern day CB and by far best English CB.
Any of Keane, Scholes and Cantona would guarantee that I would want to clamp down hard on the Keane/Scholes/Cantona chat.
Nonsense, with all due respect. That Blackburn side was full of quality players at the time and they had a top class manager (people forget how good Kenny was because of his dodgy comeback with Liverpool).
Plus the side was assembled at great cost thanks to the significant investment of Jack Walker. Shearer didn’t drag them to anything. Ripley, Hendry, Newell, Flowers, Sherwood, Wilcox and Le Saux were all instrumental as well.
In terms of PL careers they’re not close at all. Henry had a 20 goal and 20 assist season. Even Messi has only managed that once.
Phil Foden. People talking like he’s fecking Rooney, Messi and Iniesta rolled into one.
I think Carrick is a bit overrated. He was superb in 2013, but he had a lot of seasons where I thought he wasn't all that.
There's nothing much between Eto'o and Henry.
To the OP, Eto'o was absolutely brilliant. In fact I'd prefer him over any CF in the game today. Like Henry he was such a complete striker, could hold the ball up, could drop into pockets of space, was great in big games, a good passer, quick, could beat defenders, had it all really.
Firminogoal, Andy gobshite robertson